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I don't mind the occasional 3 star (or less) that is the perfect system fit but these kind of kids are becoming the majority in the class.

It's turning into an emergency situation. ND has ZERO recruiting momentum right now. This class is starting to look like that year 1 class when Kelly came on board and just started taking anybody with a pulse for numbers reasons.

Where is the energy and excitement for this program ?
 
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I don't mind the occasional 3 star (or less) that is the perfect system fit but these kind of kids are becoming the majority in the class.

It's turning into an emergency situation. ND has ZERO recruiting momentum right now. This class is starting to look like that year 1 class when Kelly came on board and just started taking anybody with a pulse for numbers reasons.

It's getting really bad.

Could he be the next Golden Tate? Sure, if you like 1/100,000,000 odds. But some here would take those odds just to remind you that it happens occasionally. Could win the mega millions too. Might as well spend my entire income on tickets then, right?

Look I’m happy for the kid and maybe he will be a good player. I am not going to bash a kid and I hope he’s legit. It doesn’t remove the fact that we took him bc we couldn’t get about 50 other guys we wanted more. Liking a 3 star can exist in the same world as admitting we aren’t doing as well as we should be. They aren’t mutually exclusive. Freeman was hired bc some morons thought he’d land top 5 classes every year. The guy has no credibility to do that. He needs to make a couple playoff games like Harbaugh if he wants to do that.
 
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He runs a 10.82 100 meter yard dash. Almost, 21 mph for a three star player . Kind of reminds me of those players Utah and BYU get year in and year out that are sneaky fast slightly under sized. I know, not a gap changer, but ND needs a slot receiver.
 
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Could he be the next Golden Tate? Sure, if you like 1/100,000,000 odds. But some here would take those odds just to remind you that it happens occasionally. Could win the mega millions too. Might as well spend my entire income on tickets then, right?
It's really disappointing that nobody in the ND media covers this for what it is. It'll just be the typical off-season puff pieces and this kind of recruiting will even get praised from NDs media people.

And then we the community members who point it out are the bad guys/villains/trolls.

Is anybody at ND leadership being held accountable for this porous performance on the recruiting trail ?

When all is said and done, especially if some of our other 4-stars shake loose, we're looking at the kind of class that would make Ty Willingham's recruiting look good.

And this is the green coach we took a chance on because of his recruiting energy/prowess.

BIG S M H.
 
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He runs a 10.82 100 meter yard dash. Almost, 21 mph for a three star player . Kind of reminds me of those players Utah and BYU get year in and year out that are sneaky fast slightly under sized. I know, not a gap changer, but ND needs a slot receiver.
It isn't even about gap-closing at this point. it's just embarrassing. We're Notre Dame. What in the world is going on this off-season? Someone (or a whole group of people) need to lose their job over this.
 
Stuckey has Cam Williams (a legit 5 star talent) and got Greathouse, James, Flores who are all great receiver talents. Wide receiver, like running back and now quarterback is the least of our recruiting concerns. An occasional 3 star receiver is normal for Bama and Georgia too. My concern is more with the lack of recruiting any gap closing defensive talent across the board when packaged with young inexperienced coaching.
 
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Stuckey has Cam Williams (a legit 5 star talent) and got Greathouse, James, Flores who are all great receiver talents. Wide receiver is the least of our recruiting concerns. An occasional 3 star receiver is normal for Bama and Georgia too.
NDs class is down to #9 already and they already have 21 commits. ND stops recruiting during the regular season while their peers ramp up and start securing elite talent.

We're looking at a class that might fall out of the top 20 entirely

What in the FLYING F is going on ? WHY DOES NOBODY SEE THIS FOR WHAT IT IS ?!? THIS DIRECTLY RELATES TO WINS AND LOSSES ON SATURDAYS!!

And then you add the inexperienced/ultra green coach with ZERO track record for developing talent on aggregate and it's just really really bad. This program's outlook is in the gutter right now.
 
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I don't mind the occasional 3 star (or less) that is the perfect system fit but these kind of kids are becoming the majority in the class.

It's turning into an emergency situation. ND has ZERO recruiting momentum right now. This class is starting to look like that year 1 class when Kelly came on board and just started taking anybody with a pulse for numbers reasons.

Where is the energy and excitement for this program ?
This is so stupid.

We want a third wr for numbers. It's late in recruiting and we take a west coast guy that we think has upside.

This is not a need. It's a luxury.
 
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NDs class is down to #9 already and they already have 21 commits. ND stops recruiting during the regular season while their peers ramp up and start securing elite talent.

We're looking at a class that might fall out of the top 20.

What in the FLYING F is going on ? WHY DOES NOBODY SEE THIS FOR WHAT IT IS ?!? THIS DIRECTLY RELATES TO WINS AND LOSSES ON SATURDAYS. IS NOBODY ELSE TIRED OF GETTING RUN OFF THE FIELD VS ANYBODY THAT MATTERS?
Oh my God the sky is falling...
Or maybe this year's class was insanely light on top end talent that could make it at Notre Dame. We got some and missed some. Now we move to next year's loaded class
 
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Oh my God the sky is falling...
Or maybe this year's class was insanely light on top end talent that could make it at Notre Dame. We got some and missed some. Now we move to next year's loaded class
Yes everything is fine hunky dory at Notre Dame.

Everything is just fine.

Someone shoot me in the Fing face.
 
Stuckey has Cam Williams (a legit 5 star talent) and got Greathouse, James, Flores who are all great receiver talents. Wide receiver, like running back and now quarterback is the least of our recruiting concerns. An occasional 3 star receiver is normal for Bama and Georgia too. My concern is more with the lack of recruiting any gap closing defensive talent across the board when packaged with young inexperienced coaching.
Yup. We also have Meriwether, Thomas, and colzie for another year... And smith just got here... Numbers and talent is fine a wr. It would be nice to get a couple of the big names next year for smooth transitions, but a third this year wasn't a necessity.
 
Yes everything is fine hunky dory at Notre Dame.

Everything is just fine.

Someone shoot me in the Fing face.
None of these guys are starting when they walk on campus...including if we got canion. The depth chart is fine.
 
Next time Jack Swarbrick or anybody who represents ND Football talks about winning national titles at Notre Dame, the entire room at the news conference needs to erupt in roaring laughter.

What a Fing joke this program is.

Sigh.
 
Next time Jack Swarbrick or anybody who represents ND Football talks about winning national titles at Notre Dame, the entire room at the news conference needs to erupt in roaring laughter.

What a Fing joke this program is.

Sigh.
Never says anything positive. Sad human being. Bet your a ball at parties.
 
It isn't even about gap-closing at this point. it's just embarrassing. We're Notre Dame. What in the world is going on this off-season? Someone (or a whole group of people) need to lose their job over this.
Kid just finished his sophomore season I believe? Those track numbers are ELITE, especially for a sophomore. He and his brother both with a wrestling background too - ain't no poohsee's doing that for a sport. I like the pick-up and Stuckey has been lights out thus far so let's give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.
 
Kid just finished his sophomore season I believe? Those track numbers are ELITE, especially for a sophomore. He and his brother both with a wrestling background too - ain't no poohsee's doing that for a sport. I like the pick-up and Stuckey has been lights out thus far so let's give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.
It isn't about 1 kid though. It is about the talent level on aggregate being on a steep decline. It's about the future outlook of the program and the total lack of momentum behind the current regime at ND right now. This stuff takes YEARS to fix too.

I understand that you guys don't see it. But I'm telling you from a 35000 ft view, things are just really bad and I don't want to have to wait another half decade plus for ND to right the ship. So im just really frustrated overall with the program and adding another ranked 900 kid to the class is kind of like the straw that's breaking the camels back.
 
Never says anything positive. Sad human being. Bet your a ball at parties.
What is there to be positive about?

We went cheap on coaching staff.

We are going cheap on talent on the roster.

It's the off-season.

We have another class with yet again no 5 star talent.

Our gatekeepers to titles just signed 100 5 stars in the last 2 classes.

I want to win titles bro. I want to erect statues. i want ND players to be first round draft picks and heisman trophy winners. i want to have the kind of performance that makes our legacy at ND proud. There's nothing to be positive about from that standpoint though. It's all bad.
 
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It isn't about 1 kid though. It is about the talent level on aggregate being on a steep decline. It's about the future outlook of the program and the total lack of momentum behind the current regime at ND right now. This stuff takes YEARS to fix too.

I understand that you guys don't see it. But I'm telling you from a 35000 ft view, things are just really bad and I don't want to have to wait another half decade plus for ND to right the ship. So im just really frustrated overall with the program and adding another ranked 900 kid to the class is kind of like the straw that's breaking the camels back.
I do see it Chase.

The 2nd half blowout to Oklahoma State, followed by loses to Marshall and whoever the other was last year, gave other Elite / Professional recruiters the opportunity to dig into MF's credentials and unknown possible success or failure. Losing three out of his first four games ABSOLUTELY stifled all momentum. Combine that with the challenges at ND already, and here we are.

The jury is still out on MF and it's hurting on the trail.

Sometimes there is a thin-line between genius and insanity, winning and losing, etc.
 
What is there to be positive about?

We went cheap on coaching staff.

We are going cheap on talent on the roster.

It's the off-season.

We have another class with yet again no 5 star talent.

Our gatekeepers to titles just signed 100 5 stars in the last 2 classes.

I want to win titles bro. I want to erect statues. i want to have the kind of performance that makes our legacy at ND proud. There's nothing to be positive about from that standpoint thought. It's all bad.
Every message board has their POS fellas-----relax------he's ours.
 
What is there to be positive about?

We went cheap on coaching staff.

We are going cheap on talent on the roster.

It's the off-season.

We have another class with yet again no 5 star talent.

Our gatekeepers to titles just signed 100 5 stars in the last 2 classes.

I want to win titles bro. I want to erect statues. i want ND players to be first round draft picks and heisman trophy winners. i want to have the kind of performance that makes our legacy at ND proud. There's nothing to be positive about from that standpoint though. It's all bad.
Right. There is nothing to be positive about. ND may as well join the MAC. In fact, maybe ND should just drop football altogether. They should just tear down Notre Dame Stadium and make it an outdoor theater.
 
Next time Jack Swarbrick or anybody who represents ND Football talks about winning national titles at Notre Dame, the entire room at the news conference needs to erupt in roaring laughter.

What a Fing joke this program is.

Sigh.
Right because he was also being trying to be sniped by Washington, who has one of the best offenses in the country. The kid is a perfect fit. Good academic, good speed, very athletic....and he KILLED his workouts and camps.

Oh and he will be like 9th on the wr depth chart coming in.

Give it a break.
 
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It isn't about 1 kid though. It is about the talent level on aggregate being on a steep decline. It's about the future outlook of the program and the total lack of momentum behind the current regime at ND right now. This stuff takes YEARS to fix too.

I understand that you guys don't see it. But I'm telling you from a 35000 ft view, things are just really bad and I don't want to have to wait another half decade plus for ND to right the ship. So im just really frustrated overall with the program and adding another ranked 900 kid to the class is kind of like the straw that's breaking the camels back.
Yeah having a 5 star in that 9th wr sot has been the key to many natys.
 
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Kid just finished his sophomore season I believe? Those track numbers are ELITE, especially for a sophomore. He and his brother both with a wrestling background too - ain't no poohsee's doing that for a sport. I like the pick-up and Stuckey has been lights out thus far so let's give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.
apparently you’re not a track and field news subscriber—-not even close to “ elite”. One of the most overused words on recruiting boards. He looks like a really good athlete wish him well. Let’s keep it in perspective
 
The reason I somewhat agree with the negativity is that Charlie Weis recruited elite talent to ND and top 5 classes despite not being a good coach. Brian Kelly had 7 classes finish in the top 10. Kelly also had credibility. Freeman has zero 5 stars, zero top 10 classes, lost games to Marshall and Stanford. He came in with none but has managed to fall in credibility. I hope he succeeds but the chances are slim barring a surprise considering his inexperience and lack of gap changing defensive recruits over a two year stretch. Hartman could be his saving grace this year. He needs to fire the Al’s and O’Leary and should already have. I think he may lack the gumption. As likable as he is, I believe Freeman will go down as one of the worst hires in ND history (I hope I am dead wrong and have to regret saying that). To some it was common sense. Fickell was it.
 
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apparently you’re not a track and field news subscriber—-not even close to “ elite”. One of the most overused words on recruiting boards. He looks like a really good athlete wish him well. Let’s keep it in perspective
I participated in the decathlon in high school. My training partner was Kevin O'Connell who won the Tennessee decathlon in back to back years and finished 4th in the nation. I'm familiar with T&F thanks.

2nd in the long jump, in Sophomore year, in the most populated state in the nation. Yeah, not elite. 10.8 100 meter is absolutely elite for a football player, perhaps not a full-time track athlete. And again, as a Sophomore. Dude will probably be 10.4 when he arrives. I'm assuming ND hasn't signed too many players that run sub 10.8's in the 100.
 
I participated in the decathlon in high school. My training partner was Kevin O'Connell who won the Tennessee decathlon in back to back years and finished 4th in the nation. I'm familiar with T&F thanks.

2nd in the long jump, in Sophomore year, in the most populated state in the nation. Yeah, not elite. 10.8 100 meter is absolutely elite for a football player, perhaps not a full-time track athlete. And again, as a Sophomore. Dude will probably be 10.4 when he arrives. I'm assuming ND hasn't signed too many players that run sub 10.8's in the 100.
10.8 is not "elite..." for a football player. 10.42 for Reggie Bush, as a HS junior, is.
 
another 3-star prospect ranked way down in the 900s.

I don't mind the occasional 3 star (or less) that is the perfect system fit but these kind of kids are becoming the majority in the class.

It's turning into an emergency situation. ND has ZERO recruiting momentum right now. This class is starting to look like that year 1 class when Kelly came on board and just started taking anybody with a pulse for numbers reasons.

Where is the energy and excitement for this program ?
It's really disappointing that nobody in the ND media covers this for what it is. It'll just be the typical off-season puff pieces and this kind of recruiting will even get praised from NDs media people.

And then we the community members who point it out are the bad guys/villains/trolls.

Is anybody at ND leadership being held accountable for this porous performance on the recruiting trail ?

When all is said and done, especially if some of our other 4-stars shake loose, we're looking at the kind of class that would make Ty Willingham's recruiting look good.

And this is the green coach we took a chance on because of his recruiting energy/prowess.

BIG S M H.
It isn't even about gap-closing at this point. it's just embarrassing. We're Notre Dame. What in the world is going on this off-season? Someone (or a whole group of people) need to lose their job over this.
NDs class is down to #9 already and they already have 21 commits. ND stops recruiting during the regular season while their peers ramp up and start securing elite talent.

We're looking at a class that might fall out of the top 20 entirely

What in the FLYING F is going on ? WHY DOES NOBODY SEE THIS FOR WHAT IT IS ?!? THIS DIRECTLY RELATES TO WINS AND LOSSES ON SATURDAYS!!

And then you add the inexperienced/ultra green coach with ZERO track record for developing talent on aggregate and it's just really really bad. This program's outlook is in the gutter right now.
Yes everything is fine hunky dory at Notre Dame.

Everything is just fine.

Someone shoot me in the Fing face.
Next time Jack Swarbrick or anybody who represents ND Football talks about winning national titles at Notre Dame, the entire room at the news conference needs to erupt in roaring laughter.

What a Fing joke this program is.

Sigh.
It isn't about 1 kid though. It is about the talent level on aggregate being on a steep decline. It's about the future outlook of the program and the total lack of momentum behind the current regime at ND right now. This stuff takes YEARS to fix too.

I understand that you guys don't see it. But I'm telling you from a 35000 ft view, things are just really bad and I don't want to have to wait another half decade plus for ND to right the ship. So im just really frustrated overall with the program and adding another ranked 900 kid to the class is kind of like the straw that's breaking the camels back.
What is there to be positive about?

We went cheap on coaching staff.

We are going cheap on talent on the roster.

It's the off-season.

We have another class with yet again no 5 star talent.

Our gatekeepers to titles just signed 100 5 stars in the last 2 classes.

I want to win titles bro. I want to erect statues. i want ND players to be first round draft picks and heisman trophy winners. i want to have the kind of performance that makes our legacy at ND proud. There's nothing to be positive about from that standpoint though. It's all bad.
Never wrestle with a POS troll.
 
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