Logan Diggs to Transfer

[stu4don]

Strange on the surface because Diggs was one of our two headed running back monster. But, he apparently wants To be the featured back and that’s not going to happen with Estime around. I’m surprised because he experienced a good deal of success last season, but not surprised in that he has felt like a transfer risk ever since he committed. Our RB room has tremendous talent, but Estime is the only one with any experience. I think we’ll Be just fine as long as Estime remains healthy, but for me, this is our first transfer portal loss that materially hurts.

Agree. I don't get this one. I think $$$ might be a part of it, but we'll see where he lands. Why leave a team that might have a top three OL (certainly the best OTs) in college football this year AND, for the first time since Clausen, a top five QB who you won't be able to load the box against.

I was all-in on Hartman as I think this is the year for our offense (line and RBs) so why not roll the dice. '24 will be a rebuilding year of sorts -- maybe we just start a freshman!

 

[mirer03]

At one point I was wondering If the transfer portal will cause teams to rethink their recruiting strategy to focus more on every other year by position to try to prevent too much turnover from impatient players wanting instant gratification. But then came to the conclusion that we should continue to try to get the best players possible for every position every year and let yearly competition determine the rate of transfers and our annual roster. Guys who can’t break into the starting lineup are going to leave every year, and guys who want bigger roles than the competition will warrant will as well. I actually think ND will fare better than most in that the lifelong benefit of the degree will cause some to delay this decision, helping us maintain decent depth. But the depth issue is the one that concerns me the most. I keep thinking that one of Rocco or Kristofic is going to enter the portal, the one who is not likely to start, either will hurt us depth wise. I keep reading that Rocco was the best guard of the two in the scrimmage as well as the Spring game, and yet Kristofic keeps getting mentioned as the likely starter. Unlike Diggs leaving where inexperienced talented running backs can contribute immediately, the OL needs seasoned depth. We’ll know shortly.

Agreed. That is one reason why with positions where we have stacked depth I'm ok with taking a project this year.

I'm actually not concerned with Rocco. I think Carmody and Kristofic should be watched.

If they aren't going to play it lets us get to a bigger recruiting class next year and to be more active in the portal.

 

[mirer03]

Agree. I don't get this one. I think $$$ might be a part of it, but we'll see where he lands. Why leave a team that might have a top three OL (certainly the best OTs) in college football this year AND, for the first time since Clausen, a top five QB who you won't be able to load the box against.

I was all-in on Hartman as I think this is the year for our offense (line and RBs) so why not roll the dice. '24 will be a rebuilding year of sorts -- maybe we just start a freshman!

I do not in any way feel money was part of this. He almost left after getting to campus. He almost left last year. He wants to be a feature back not part two of a two headed backfield. And he's was that last year ...and was being pushed this year with new guys coming in.

 

[echowaker]

Me too. I think Kristofic is the backup for 4 positions, heck maybe 5. Kinda how Lugg was.

The key is, we need to be better and not plan on starting kristofic the next season or two unlike Lugg. There is a reason lugg wasn't a starter for awhile, and it showed when he did start.

Tackles concern me big time next year if both Alt and Fish leave.

Wagner has freakish athleticism and an extremely high ceiling. Now if he can just keep his weight up. Reminds me of a young Tyron Smith.

 

[4-4-3]

I don't agree about your finishing school argument, but I do think the new paradigm is an issue for academic-minded schools who still care about their players getting their degrees. Because we can't replace all these undergrad transfers that we're losing, except with freshman recruiting and the occasional grad transfer. That's due to the admissions department still being very strict about undergrad transfers.

Schools like Stanford and Northwestern will suffer as well. Notice both had very poor seasons last year (3-9 and 1-11). That's probably not a coincidence. This new paradigm's tough on any program that still values academics.

We may need to start recruiting about 30 freshmen a year, to allow for future transfer losses. And take in as many quality grad transfers as possible.

Right, but then if ND does take in 30 a year and a good portion of them leave, it has in effect performed what prep schools like mine used to do -- recruit high-performer HS post-grads to get them their credits and some athletic fine-tuning, then send them ON THEIR WAY. Floyd Little and Paul Costa were two who went that route.

So, while you may not agree with the argument or with the term, FINISHING SCHOOL -- as a matter of ACTUAL PRACTICE, how would ND operating under YOUR scenario not in fact be doing what I've described in my ARGUMENT. Not as a GOAL for ND, of course, but in POINT OF FACT.

Not to mention that if ND takes in 30 and expects a certain amount of attrition, how does that comport with its educational values when it would be acting as basically a PASS-THROUGH. Hardly the role a school with the highest academic aspirations would want TO BE SEEN AS DOING. At least, as I see it.

 

[Get Nasty]

Wagner has freakish athleticism and an extremely high ceiling. Now if he can just keep his weight up. Reminds me of a young Tyron Smith.

Agree, the upside is unreal. He did a few things in the spring game you don't see from many if any tackles going from one block to another. But he also got bull rushed a few times from defensive line players that I wouldn't consider to be great.

 

[mbd11]

Right, but then if ND does take in 30 a year and a good portion of them leave, it has in effect performed what prep schools like mine used to do -- recruit high-performer HS post-grads to get them their credits and some athletic fine-tuning, then send them ON THEIR WAY. Floyd Little and Paul Costa were two who went that route.

So, while you may not agree with the argument or with the term, FINISHING SCHOOL -- as a matter of ACTUAL PRACTICE, how would ND operating under YOUR scenario not in fact be doing what I've described in my ARGUMENT. Not as a GOAL for ND, of course, but in POINT OF FACT.

Not to mention that if ND takes in 30 and expects a certain amount of attrition, how does that comport with its educational values when it would be acting as basically a PASS-THROUGH. Hardly the role a school with the highest academic aspirations would want TO BE SEEN AS DOING. At least, as I see it.

But your finishing school argument is implying that good players are leaving. We've mostly lost backups to transfer. Diggs is the first one who was expected to be a major contributor this season. And a lot of teams are losing backups to transfer. We're not the only ones with that issue.

And we've brought in some very good grad transfers, like Hartman and Harper this year.

 

[Telx1]

Me too. I think Kristofic is the backup for 4 positions, heck maybe 5. Kinda how Lugg was.

The key is, we need to be better and not plan on starting kristofic the next season or two unlike Lugg. There is a reason lugg wasn't a starter for awhile, and it showed when he did start.

Tackles concern me big time next year if both Alt and Fish leave.

I hope we see more playing time for the young guys this season. Wagner needs to add weight and strength, but he also needs to see the field in games we are comfortably ahead. Jagusah needs to see the field as well. The upside of these two guys is tremendous, and they are our likely starting tackles if both Alt and Fisher are off to the NFL after this season. Chan also needs to see the field To give these two competition for starting.

 

[stu4don]

I do not in any way feel money was part of this. He almost left after getting to campus. He almost left last year. He wants to be a feature back not part two of a two headed backfield. And he's was that last year ...and was being pushed this year with new guys coming in.

Yeah, you are probably right... but think about it:

If Diggs goes to LSU (which seems to be the way that he's leaning), that means two of our backups will be playing on elite SEC teams (including f-ng Bama!) this fall! Guess that says something about the strength of our offense in '23!

I keep thinking of the line from The Verdict. "There is no other case, this is the case." For the '23 ND offense full of NFL prospects, "There is no other year, this is the year!"

 

[stu4don]

I hope we see more playing time for the young guys this season. Wagner needs to add weight and strength, but he also needs to see the field in games we are comfortably ahead. Jagusah needs to see the field as well. The upside of these two guys is tremendous, and they are our likely starting tackles if both Alt and Fisher are off to the NFL after this season. Chan also needs to see the field To give these two competition for starting.

Yes! I am hoping with this offense that finally we might have some blow outs that will enable us to 1.rest starters 2. and more importantly, play our younger guys... (Angeli is another guy who needs reps this year now!)

 

[echowaker]

Yeah, you are probably right... but think about it:

If Diggs goes to LSU (which seems to be the way that he's leaning), that means two of our backups will be playing on elite SEC teams (including f-ng Bama!) this fall! Guess that says something about the strength of our offense in '23!

I keep thinking of the line from The Verdict. "There is no other case, this is the case." For the '23 ND offense full of NFL prospects, "There is no other year, this is the year!"

Diggs was not considered a backup.

 

[echowaker]

I hope we see more playing time for the young guys this season. Wagner needs to add weight and strength, but he also needs to see the field in games we are comfortably ahead. Jagusah needs to see the field as well. The upside of these two guys is tremendous, and they are our likely starting tackles if both Alt and Fisher are off to the NFL after this season. Chan also needs to see the field To give these two competition for starting.

I thought Pendleton showed some promise too. Granted spring games are horrible barometers. I watched Wagner win the D1 state championship in the shot put last year throwing 64'1". Incredible lower half torque he was able to generate.

 

[mirer03]

Diggs was not considered a backup.

He wants to be the FEATURED BACK. at ND he was going to be the second back...and was being pushed for that spot.

You can call it backup, second string, 1b etc. He wasn't the main guy.

 

[Get Nasty]

He wants to be the FEATURED BACK. at ND he was going to be the second back...and was being pushed for that spot.

You can call it backup, second string, 1b etc. He wasn't the main guy.

A lot of people, myself included think it was Rees pushing for Diggs to get more PT than estime. It just didn't make sense with all of our slow starts running with diggs always starting.

 

[Pennick4]

Wagner has freakish athleticism and an extremely high ceiling. Now if he can just keep his weight up. Reminds me of a young Tyron Smith.

That is high praise.

 

[Pennick4]

These guys will learn the grass isn't always greener.

 

[Golson5]

Diggs was not considered a backup.

He should have been. He was the clear number 2 but Tommy loved him. His snaps would have most likely decreased this year esp if Price is healthy

 

[IrishBeer]

Goolsby will say this is a locker room farce.

 

[theskibro]

At one point I was wondering If the transfer portal will cause teams to rethink their recruiting strategy to focus more on every other year by position to try to prevent too much turnover from impatient players wanting instant gratification. But then came to the conclusion that we should continue to try to get the best players possible for every position every year and let yearly competition determine the rate of transfers and our annual roster. Guys who can’t break into the starting lineup are going to leave every year, and guys who want bigger roles than the competition will warrant will as well. I actually think ND will fare better than most in that the lifelong benefit of the degree will cause some to delay this decision, helping us maintain decent depth. But the depth issue is the one that concerns me the most. I keep thinking that one of Rocco or Kristofic is going to enter the portal, the one who is not likely to start, either will hurt us depth wise. I keep reading that Rocco was the best guard of the two in the scrimmage as well as the Spring game, and yet Kristofic keeps getting mentioned as the likely starter. Unlike Diggs leaving where inexperienced talented running backs can contribute immediately, the OL needs seasoned depth. We’ll know shortly.

TelX
It’s a shame the ncaa is the college equivalent of Goodell. Useless overpaid. College game is ruined right now.
The college game has allowed unregulated NIL and the “beam me up” transfer portal to ruin the game

We now have a trans athlete situation - instead of men playing girls we have a similar inequitable playing field due to nil n T portal.
Shame.

I could fix this game in 5 minutes. Regulate nil payments thru a common bank. Regulate T portal to third year plus only so first two years kids have to stick n compete if they leave they sit one year
And reset kickoff line to boost more returns

Done. Send check to TheSkibro Naples fl

 

[DieHard_Irish]

TelX
It’s a shame the ncaa is the college equivalent of Goodell. Useless overpaid. College game is ruined right now.
The college game has allowed unregulated NIL and the “beam me up” transfer portal to ruin the game

We now have a trans athlete situation - instead of men playing girls we have a similar inequitable playing field due to nil n T portal.
Shame.

I could fix this game in 5 minutes. Regulate nil payments thru a common bank. Regulate T portal to third year plus only so first two years kids have to stick n compete if they leave they sit one year
And reset kickoff line to boost more returns

Done. Send check to TheSkibro Naples fl

Totally Totally agree

 

[NDblitz]

TelX
It’s a shame the ncaa is the college equivalent of Goodell. Useless overpaid. College game is ruined right now.
The college game has allowed unregulated NIL and the “beam me up” transfer portal to ruin the game

We now have a trans athlete situation - instead of men playing girls we have a similar inequitable playing field due to nil n T portal.
Shame.

I could fix this game in 5 minutes. Regulate nil payments thru a common bank. Regulate T portal to third year plus only so first two years kids have to stick n compete if they leave they sit one year
And reset kickoff line to boost more returns

Done. Send check to TheSkibro Naples fl

Add in follow your coach. Sit a year. Stay in conference or on your old school's schedule the next season. Sit a year.

 

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

Add in follow your coach. Sit a year. Stay in conference or on your old school's schedule the next season. Sit a year.

Yeah. It really bothers me that it's OK to transfer to a school that is on your old school's opponent schedule.

 

[4-4-3]

But your finishing school argument is implying that good players are leaving. We've mostly lost backups to transfer. Diggs is the first one who was expected to be a major contributor this season. And a lot of teams are losing backups to transfer. We're not the only ones with that issue.

And we've brought in some very good grad transfers, like Hartman and Harper this year.

Backups who were at one time close to starters or were actually co-starters.

Buckner, who played an INTEGRAL ROLE as a freshman, started last year and would have started this year but for Hartman. Plus, many foresaw him as starting next year.

Diggs had more carries and almost as many yards as Estime. He was basically 1A to Estime's 1.

Kollie was seen by many as the NEXT BIG THING at LB and still has the raw talent to realize his potential elsewhere.

Sytles was viewed as one of the team's next go-to receivers at one point, and he, too, may flourish elsewhere.

Besides, it doesn't matter if they were starters or not. As talented players, they formed part of ND's DEPTH POOL. And that's CRITICAL. It's not that ND won't be able to field decent FIRST-TEAMS. That it should manage. But what is likely to hurt ND is EXPERIENCED-DEPTH ATTRITION.

And this year alone highlights that. As several on these boards have pointed out, ND now has no experienced QB or RB backup. Yes, Tyree could go back to RB, but, frankly, he's NOT THE GUY, nor is he even as good as Diggs. Can't run inside to save his life while his "juke step" fools NO ONE.

As for calling what I'm describing FINISHING SCHOOl, I'll stick with the term because as I've just tried to point out, it doesn't NECESSARILY only apply to first-stringers but to EVERY TALENTED PLAYER on the team, many of whom could be starters tomorrow at the crack of a bone or the tear of an ACL.

As my old HS coach never tired of repeating: "A TEAM IS ONLY AS GOOD AS ITS SUBSTITUTES."

As for TRANSFERS-IN, I can't see ND taking as many players as it will lose. It's a lot easier to walk out of ND than to WALK IN.

 

[mbd11]

Backups who were at one time close to starters or were actually co-starters.

Buckner, who played an INTEGRAL ROLE as a freshman, started last year and would have started this year but for Hartman. Plus, many foresaw him as starting next year.

Diggs had more carries and almost as many yards as Estime. He was basically 1A to Estime's 1.

Kollie was seen by many as the NEXT BIG THING at LB and still has the raw talent to realize his potential elsewhere.

Sytles was viewed as one of the team's next go-to receivers at one point, and he, too, may flourish elsewhere.

Besides, it doesn't matter if they were starters or not. As talented players, they formed part of ND's DEPTH POOL. And that's CRITICAL. It's not that ND won't be able to field decent FIRST-TEAMS. That it should manage. But what is likely to hurt ND is EXPERIENCED-DEPTH ATTRITION.

And this year alone highlights that. As several on these boards have pointed out, ND now has no experienced QB or RB backup. Yes, Tyree could go back to RB, but, frankly, he's NOT THE GUY, nor is he even as good as Diggs. Can't run inside to save his life while his "juke step" fools NO ONE.

As for calling what I'm describing FINISHING SCHOOl, I'll stick with the term because as I've just tried to point out, it doesn't NECESSARILY only apply to first-stringers but to EVERY TALENTED PLAYER on the team, many of whom could be starters tomorrow at the crack of a bone or the tear of an ACL.

As my old HS coach never tired of repeating: "A TEAM IS ONLY AS GOOD AS ITS SUBSTITUTES."

As for TRANSFERS-IN, I can't see ND taking as many players as it will lose. It's a lot easier to walk out of ND than to WALK IN.

Agreed that it hurts our depth when we lose a quality backup. But most of our transfers out have left because they wanted more playing time. Some of them are decent players, but they weren't starting. For a lot of these players nowadays, if they're not starting by their junior year, they transfer. And that's not just an ND problem. That happens everywhere.

As far as replacing the numbers, that's why I suggested we might need to start enlarging our freshman classes, to have a built-in cushion for future transfer losses.

 

[4-4-3]

Agreed that it hurts our depth when we lose a quality backup. But most of our transfers out have left because they wanted more playing time. Some of them are decent players, but they weren't starting. For a lot of these players nowadays, if they're not starting by their junior year, they transfer. And that's not just an ND problem. That happens everywhere.

As far as replacing the numbers, that's why I suggested we might need to start enlarging our freshman classes, to have a built-in cushion for future transfer losses.

I hear you.

But as to over-recruiting the numbers, will ND now start recruiting not only the hallowed 'ND MAN,' but also the 'ND MAYBE MAN?' Once you start recruiting largely to OFFSET FUTURE ATTRITION how can it be either as SINCERE or as SURGICAL a process?

ND, now in reactive mode, may be forced to act as CYNICALLY as the players themselves who are alreday no strangers to this combination of RECRUITING CHESS and MUSICAL CHAIRS. One way or another, ND may be forced to take a much more MERCENARY approach.

And one that doesn't comport AT ALL with its claim that ACADEMICS trump all.

Something's gotta give.

 

[Telx1]

TelX
It’s a shame the ncaa is the college equivalent of Goodell. Useless overpaid. College game is ruined right now.
The college game has allowed unregulated NIL and the “beam me up” transfer portal to ruin the game

We now have a trans athlete situation - instead of men playing girls we have a similar inequitable playing field due to nil n T portal.
Shame.

I could fix this game in 5 minutes. Regulate nil payments thru a common bank. Regulate T portal to third year plus only so first two years kids have to stick n compete if they leave they sit one year
And reset kickoff line to boost more returns

Done. Send check to TheSkibro Naples fl

Checks in the mail Ski.

 

[Bert from Windermere]

Backups who were at one time close to starters or were actually co-starters.

Buckner, who played an INTEGRAL ROLE as a freshman, started last year and would have started this year but for Hartman. Plus, many foresaw him as starting next year.

Diggs had more carries and almost as many yards as Estime. He was basically 1A to Estime's 1.

Kollie was seen by many as the NEXT BIG THING at LB and still has the raw talent to realize his potential elsewhere.

Sytles was viewed as one of the team's next go-to receivers at one point, and he, too, may flourish elsewhere.

Besides, it doesn't matter if they were starters or not. As talented players, they formed part of ND's DEPTH POOL. And that's CRITICAL. It's not that ND won't be able to field decent FIRST-TEAMS. That it should manage. But what is likely to hurt ND is EXPERIENCED-DEPTH ATTRITION.

And this year alone highlights that. As several on these boards have pointed out, ND now has no experienced QB or RB backup. Yes, Tyree could go back to RB, but, frankly, he's NOT THE GUY, nor is he even as good as Diggs. Can't run inside to save his life while his "juke step" fools NO ONE.

As for calling what I'm describing FINISHING SCHOOl, I'll stick with the term because as I've just tried to point out, it doesn't NECESSARILY only apply to first-stringers but to EVERY TALENTED PLAYER on the team, many of whom could be starters tomorrow at the crack of a bone or the tear of an ACL.

As my old HS coach never tired of repeating: "A TEAM IS ONLY AS GOOD AS ITS SUBSTITUTES."

As for TRANSFERS-IN, I can't see ND taking as many players as it will lose. It's a lot easier to walk out of ND than to WALK IN.

Three facts: in most schools going to class and keep on a path to a degree is optional, in most cases a middleman is talked to and offers and $$$ discussed before going into the portal, it is best for schools with lacer admission standards to offer proven sophomores than unproven eighteen year olds in HS

 

[Patrirish]

Right, but then if ND does take in 30 a year and a good portion of them leave, it has in effect performed what prep schools like mine used to do -- recruit high-performer HS post-grads to get them their credits and some athletic fine-tuning, then send them ON THEIR WAY. Floyd Little and Paul Costa were two who went that route.

So, while you may not agree with the argument or with the term, FINISHING SCHOOL -- as a matter of ACTUAL PRACTICE, how would ND operating under YOUR scenario not in fact be doing what I've described in my ARGUMENT. Not as a GOAL for ND, of course, but in POINT OF FACT.

Not to mention that if ND takes in 30 and expects a certain amount of attrition, how does that comport with its educational values when it would be acting as basically a PASS-THROUGH. Hardly the role a school with the highest academic aspirations would want TO BE SEEN AS DOING. At least, as I see it.

Paul Costa was a good friend !
I miss him.

 

[4-4-3]

Three facts: in most schools going to class and keep on a path to a degree is optional, in most cases a middleman is talked to and offers and $$$ discussed before going into the portal, it is best for schools with lacer admission standards to offer proven sophomores than unproven eighteen year olds in HS

And many schools WILL DO BOTH, no questions asked.

 

[4-4-3]

Paul Costa was a good friend !
I miss him.

No kidding. Wow.

He went to Bordentown Military Academy as a PG, and the year he played, they SKUNKED US.

He was like 6' 4" and 240.

Almost UNTACKLEABLE.

I also remember the 1961 Purdue game -- a very tough close loss -- in which both Costa and Jim Snowden made their debuts and ripped off some nice runs. They were like a two-headed monster.

Thought they were both the FUTURE at RB, but they both wound up as LINEMEN under Parseghian. Both played very well on the 64 team, and both had pretty good NFL careers.

Parseghian knew where to play people. Holtz did as well.

 

[mbd11]

I hear you.

But as to over-recruiting the numbers, will ND now start recruiting not only the hallowed 'ND MAN,' but also the 'ND MAYBE MAN?' Once you start recruiting largely to OFFSET FUTURE ATTRITION how can it be either as SINCERE or as SURGICAL a process?

ND, now in reactive mode, may be forced to act as CYNICALLY as the players themselves who are alreday no strangers to this combination of RECRUITING CHESS and MUSICAL CHAIRS. One way or another, ND may be forced to take a much more MERCENARY approach.

And one that doesn't comport AT ALL with its claim that ACADEMICS trump all.

Something's gotta give.

I'm just talking about adding a few players each class. We should be able to do that without any major hits to academics. And remember we're being forced to do this to keep our scholarship numbers at or near 85, since the NCAA has opened the floodgates for transfers.

Right now we're apparently down to 81 or 82, and may be forced to play this season under the max, unless we can find a few transfers in this summer. But there aren't that many grad transfers available, so that might be tough to do.

 

[ftnfan62]

Backups who were at one time close to starters or were actually co-starters.

Buckner, who played an INTEGRAL ROLE as a freshman, started last year and would have started this year but for Hartman. Plus, many foresaw him as starting next year.

Diggs had more carries and almost as many yards as Estime. He was basically 1A to Estime's 1.

Kollie was seen by many as the NEXT BIG THING at LB and still has the raw talent to realize his potential elsewhere.

Sytles was viewed as one of the team's next go-to receivers at one point, and he, too, may flourish elsewhere.

Besides, it doesn't matter if they were starters or not. As talented players, they formed part of ND's DEPTH POOL. And that's CRITICAL. It's not that ND won't be able to field decent FIRST-TEAMS. That it should manage. But what is likely to hurt ND is EXPERIENCED-DEPTH ATTRITION.

And this year alone highlights that. As several on these boards have pointed out, ND now has no experienced QB or RB backup. Yes, Tyree could go back to RB, but, frankly, he's NOT THE GUY, nor is he even as good as Diggs. Can't run inside to save his life while his "juke step" fools NO ONE.

As for calling what I'm describing FINISHING SCHOOl, I'll stick with the term because as I've just tried to point out, it doesn't NECESSARILY only apply to first-stringers but to EVERY TALENTED PLAYER on the team, many of whom could be starters tomorrow at the crack of a bone or the tear of an ACL.

As my old HS coach never tired of repeating: "A TEAM IS ONLY AS GOOD AS ITS SUBSTITUTES."

As for TRANSFERS-IN, I can't see ND taking as many players as it will lose. It's a lot easier to walk out of ND than to WALK IN.

Good points here. It’s interesting to me that outside of Buchner, the other 3 where starting locks. Styles, Prince and Diggs. When the top TE in history and Sack Leader both go second round, we can see what is needed if we EVER want to compete again.

All these transferring athletes were top tier, none where exceptional. Marcus is bringing in exceptional. Sneed is exceptional. Carr is exceptional. Maybe the young bucks are really just better. I’m sure Tommy probably called Buch after both spring games. “Man, your new OC is lost. I have no QB’s here. If you where here…man it would be great. Do you want to wait another year?”

Until you see 3-4 ND players go first round, we are just not “back”. Recruting is our problem and that must be solved.

 

[BGI User 756]

This makes no sense, 99% of teams share snaps at RB. He had more rush attempts than Estime last year despite not playing squat in the 1st four games due to injury. There’s something else rather than “competing”. NDs two deepest positions just got real inexperienced. Backs ups at QB and RB haven’t played a snap.

It’s not that from my perspective.

Payne looking real good. Price is supposedly healed. Love is top 50 player. He knows Estime is the alpha. I think Logan believes his share of the pie is going down.

As for QB, Hartman just looked better during BG game. Buchner was having a strong spring. This is Bill and Tommy Rees influence since SH will start

 

[savvyandsassier]

So is Diggs going to LSU? They don't really need RBs as such. They have four unexceptional, but not half bad different style RBs all returning, plus two elite recruit true frosh, so I don't know if they. need a 7th RB on the roster. Then again, if Diggs is good enough to become the main starter and rushes for 1000 yards, then I suppose that would be a boon for LSU.

In any case, the early word is it's either LSU or Bama for Logan Diggs. Either one would be great....

 

[theskibro]

So is Diggs going to LSU? They don't really need RBs as such. They have four unexceptional, but not half bad different style RBs all returning, plus two elite recruit true frosh, so I don't know if they. need a 7th RB on the roster. Then again, if Diggs is good enough to become the main starter and rushes for 1000 yards, then I suppose that would be a boon for LSU.

In any case, the early word is it's either LSU or Bama for Logan Diggs. Either one would be great....

His decision and possible landing options make me think he wants to be closer to home or in the south. He claims he wants to be the main back and that is likely true. But does he think he can beat out his competition at Bama or lsu?
Is ND running back room that imposing? Guess it is
I just think he convinced himself to make a change Not sure in this age of 2 platoon running backs he will find what he wants

 

[4-4-3]

No kidding. Wow.

He went to Bordentown Military Academy as a PG, and the year he played, they SKUNKED US.

He was like 6' 4" and 240.

Almost UNTACKLEABLE.

I also remember the 1961 Purdue game -- a very tough close loss -- in which both Costa and Jim Snowden made their debuts and ripped off some nice runs. They were like a two-headed monster.

Thought they were both the FUTURE at RB, but they both wound up as LINEMEN under Parseghian. Both played very well on the 64 team, and both had pretty good NFL careers.

Parseghian knew where to play people. Holtz did as well.

Error correction: ND actually beat Purdue in 61 -- 22-20.

 

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I'm just talking about adding a few players each class. We should be able to do that without any major hits to academics. And remember we're being forced to do this to keep our scholarship numbers at or near 85, since the NCAA has opened the floodgates for transfers.

Right now we're apparently down to 81 or 82, and may be forced to play this season under the max, unless we can find a few transfers in this summer. But there aren't that many grad transfers available, so that might be tough to do.

Sure.

And MY perspective is that this merely creates another PERSONNEL CHALLENGE for ND and that much more pressure on FREEMAN.

No matter how I look at this, I just can't see ND as a NET WINNER in NIL and the portal. If there's ONE TEAM that's most DISADVANTAGED by these two developments, it's ND.

Whatever recruiting gap Freeman may have narrowed -- and it's always a work in progress and in no way assured over time -- NIL and the portal have erased and may continue to offset, if not outright NULLIFY.

 

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No kidding. Wow.

He went to Bordentown Military Academy as a PG, and the year he played, they SKUNKED US.

He was like 6' 4" and 240.

Almost UNTACKLEABLE.

I also remember the 1961 Purdue game -- a very tough close loss -- in which both Costa and Jim Snowden made their debuts and ripped off some nice runs. They were like a two-headed monster.

Thought they were both the FUTURE at RB, but they both wound up as LINEMEN under Parseghian. Both played very well on the 64 team, and both had pretty good NFL careers.

Parseghian knew where to play people. Holtz did as well.

Jim Snowden was also a good friend.

How about Diesel Pete Duranko, another running back who ended up being an NFL lineman

 

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Good points here. It’s interesting to me that outside of Buchner, the other 3 where starting locks. Styles, Prince and Diggs. When the top TE in history and Sack Leader both go second round, we can see what is needed if we EVER want to compete again.

All these transferring athletes were top tier, none where exceptional. Marcus is bringing in exceptional. Sneed is exceptional. Carr is exceptional. Maybe the young bucks are really just better. I’m sure Tommy probably called Buch after both spring games. “Man, your new OC is lost. I have no QB’s here. If you where here…man it would be great. Do you want to wait another year?”

Until you see 3-4 ND players go first round, we are just not “back”. Recruting is our problem and that must be solved.

I don’t see ND as EVER being BACK to the degree that Holtz brought it back. That is unless there’s FUNDAMENTAL change of a structural kind. Yet, I’ve seen ZERO evidence of anything like that occurring.

Jenkins and Swarbrick have already come out against NIL in the way its being (ab)used. And Jenkins has said separately that ND could easily survive WITHOUT FOOTBALL. Meanwhile, I’m unaware of any liberalization involving recruiting, admissions, academics, etc. that’s taken place on the OTHER SIDE OF THE EQUATION.

To me, ND’s intentions appear clear. CHANGE NOTHING but lobby against NIL and the portal, using whatever influence it has, I imagine, to have some body or other DIAL BOTH BACK.

MY question is – and I don’t have a clue as to the answer – WHAT DOES THE REST OF CFB think about NIL and the portal? Everyone happy and on board? Or are there other schools unhappy with the situation? Because if there isn’t a critical enough mass of opposition forming, I don’t see ND’s lobbying efforts succeeding.

Of course, this may take a few seasons to play out. But in the meantime, I can’t see how ND won’t be further DISADVANTAGED in its recruiting and TALENT RETENTION. And what’s doubly troubling is that you never know what NIL DEAL LIES BELOW THE SURFACE OF A GIVEN TRANSFER.

This isn’t college football. IT’S COMMERCE. Once money enters a game, it’s no longer JUST A GAME.

 

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Jim Snowden was also a good friend.

How about Diesel Pete Duranko, another running back who ended up being an NFL lineman

I remember him as well. Duranko was an AA DT, I believe. But I don't know if he came in as a PG or not.

I think of athletes from different eras as analagous to armored weaponry from different eras. Different types of TANKS, basically.

That Costa--Snowden-Duranko TANK was in its time, the game's PREMIER FIGHTING MACHINE. How it would fare today, given the speed and strength of today's game is questionable.

But those were some great players in their day.

And Ara knew how to use them. He turned slower backs into faster LB's and DL-men all the time.