LeBron James Gets Swept.

[NDinNJ]

And if Jordan didnt get Pippen he'd be sitting with 0 rings

The difference is Pippen was acquired via a trade with Seattle during the 87 draft. LeBron had to go to other teams and join the superstars on those teams to win. The fact that I have to even explain this difference tells us a lot about your lack of intelligence.

 

[sjb75]

The difference is Pippen was acquired via a trade with Seattle during the 87 draft. LeBron had to go to other teams and join the superstars on those teams to win. The fact that I have to even explain this difference tells us a lot about your lack of intelligence.

"Not one, not two, not three, not four, not five...."--LeBron in July--2010 when he signed with the Miami Heat.

 

[raulduke_007]

The difference is Pippen was acquired via a trade with Seattle during the 87 draft. LeBron had to go to other teams and join the superstars on those teams to win. The fact that I have to even explain this difference tells us a lot about your lack of intelligence.

The fact that the Pippen led Bulls team won over 50 games the year after MJ left and was a bad Hue Hollins call from the ECF showed what the comp and talent level MJ played against & with.
The fact that Cleveland went to the lottery both times LBJ left says alot.
The fact that the Miami superteam went to the Finals every year they had LBJ then couldnt make the playoffs the next year say alot.
The fact that the GS dynasty that won a title and won 73 games had to go get KD to beat Lebron says alot.
The fact that the Spurs dynasty only Finals lost came at the hands of LJB.
The fact that OKC had 3 top 50 alltime players in their prime and got gentlement swept by LBJ say alot.

 

[sjb75]

The fact that the Pippen led Bulls team won over 50 games the year after MJ left and was a bad Hue Hollins call from the ECF showed what the comp and talent level MJ played against & with.
The fact that Cleveland went to the lottery both times LBJ left says alot.
The fact that the Miami superteam went to the Finals every year they had LBJ then couldnt make the playoffs the next year say alot.
The fact that the GS dynasty that won a title and won 73 games had to go get KD to beat Lebron says alot.
The fact that the Spurs dynasty only Finals lost came at the hands of LJB.
The fact that OKC had 3 top 50 alltime players in their prime and got gentlement swept by LBJ say alot.

"Not one, not two, not three, not four, not five..."

 

[raulduke_007]

"Not one, not two, not three, not four, not five..."

Yawn

 

[NDinNJ]

Yawn

Yawn

 

[BGI User 756]

The fact that the Pippen led Bulls team won over 50 games the year after MJ left and was a bad Hue Hollins call from the ECF showed what the comp and talent level MJ played against & with.
The fact that Cleveland went to the lottery both times LBJ left says alot.
The fact that the Miami superteam went to the Finals every year they had LBJ then couldnt make the playoffs the next year say alot.
The fact that the GS dynasty that won a title and won 73 games had to go get KD to beat Lebron says alot.
The fact that the Spurs dynasty only Finals lost came at the hands of LJB.
The fact that OKC had 3 top 50 alltime players in their prime and got gentlement swept by LBJ say alot.

Now you are playing a different tune. It’s about reg season wins and not rings?

Lots of whataboutisms here

 

[sjb75]

The fact that the Pippen led Bulls team won over 50 games the year after MJ left and was a bad Hue Hollins call from the ECF showed what the comp and talent level MJ played against & with.
The fact that Cleveland went to the lottery both times LBJ left says alot.
The fact that the Miami superteam went to the Finals every year they had LBJ then couldnt make the playoffs the next year say alot.
The fact that the GS dynasty that won a title and won 73 games had to go get KD to beat Lebron says alot.
The fact that the Spurs dynasty only Finals lost came at the hands of LJB.
The fact that OKC had 3 top 50 alltime players in their prime and got gentlement swept by LBJ say alot.

Anyone have an Advil?

 

[raulduke_007]

Now you are playing a different tune. It’s about reg season wins and not rings?

Lots of whataboutisms here

The Pippen Bull's were a terrible call away "especially by 90's standards" from the ECF's and likely the Finals. Lebron's supporting cast 2 of which were in the Finals the year before either went to the lottery or missed the playoffs completely. That's not whataboutism thats a true fact of what each player meant to his team.

 

[Patrirish]

MJ won first ring in 7th season. LBJ won first ring in 9th season.

LBJ needed to arrange his two wingmen All Stars to Miami, to win it all

👍

 

[Golson5]

The difference is Pippen was acquired via a trade with Seattle during the 87 draft. LeBron had to go to other teams and join the superstars on those teams to win. The fact that I have to even explain this difference tells us a lot about your lack of intelligence.

Yep. Because Mike was very fortunate to have a competent gm and 2 great head coaches. He got lucky they were able to get Pippen. If not, 0 rings

Lebrons best teammate with Cavs was who??? Maybe Ilgauskus Lol. Of course he had to go somewhere else. Who was his best Coach?? Lol

Pippen and Collins and Jackson vs what Levron had for his first 7 years

Lebron did what he had to do. No one could win with those Cavs teams and management. Impossible

 

[Golson5]

Bulls without MJ...., 50 win team and playoff team

Every team after Lebron left, lottery team, basement dweller

Very little dropoff without MJ. Teams fell off a cliff without Lebron

 

[raulduke_007]

Yep. Because Mike was very fortunate to have a competent gm and 2 great head coaches. He got lucky they were able to get Pippen. If not, 0 rings

Lebrons best teammate with Cavs was who??? Maybe Ilgauskus Lol. Of course he had to go somewhere else. Who was his best Coach?? Lol

Pippen and Collins and Jackson vs what Levron had for his first 7 years

Lebron did what he had to do. No one could win with those Cavs teams and management. Impossible

Remember Bulls got Horace Grant with 10th pick in that draft as well. It would be like Lebron getting Kawhi & Ibaka in the same draft. In his 4th yr.

 

[BGI User 756]

Bulls without MJ...., 50 win team and playoff team

Every team after Lebron left, lottery team, basement dweller

Very little dropoff without MJ. Teams fell off a cliff without Lebron

Well, LBJ made sure to take the second best player on the Cavs to Miami with him.

He couldn’t get over the hump, his last 2 years

Cavs, 66-16, #1 seed, lose to Magic (who?) in the semis ….
Cavs, 61-21, #1 seed, lose to Celts in semis

Goes to Miami and “drafts” the all star team

 

[Golson5]

Well, LBJ made sure to take the second best player on the Cavs to Miami with him.

He couldn’t get over the hump, his last 2 years

Cavs, 66-16, #1 seed, lose to Magic (who?) in the semis ….
Cavs, 61-21, #1 seed, lose to Celts in semis

Goes to Miami and “drafts” the all star team

Who did he take to Miami with him?

Of course he couldn't get over the "hump ". His team stunk. He carried them

He made the playoffs 6 straight years and after he left they drafted in the lottery for the next 4 years til he came back. They also picked number 1 multiple times

How he carried those teams was simply amazing

 

[BGI User 756]

Who did he take to Miami with him?

Of course he couldn't get over the "hump ". His team stunk. He carried them

He made the playoffs 6 straight years and after he left they drafted in the lottery for the next 4 years til he came back. They also picked number 1 multiple times

How he carried those teams was simply amazing

He did.

Took Zydrunas with him

 

[Golson5]

He did.

Took Zydrunas with him

Lol

Z was washed by then. He scored 5ppg.

He retired after his first yr then

Come on... reach much lol

 

[HRC08]

And if Jordan didnt get Pippen he'd be sitting with 0 rings

Well yeah but every championship team has at least 2 All Stars so there’s nothing unique here. What is unique is that once Pippen became an All Star, he and Jordan went “Lost in Conference Championship Game 7, Won NBA Title, Won NBA Title, Won NBA Title, Won NBA Title, Won NBA Title, Won NBA Title, Won NBA Title.” That’s unique.

 

[Golson5]

Well yeah but every championship team has at least 2 All Stars so there’s nothing unique here. What is unique is that once Pippen became an All Star, he and Jordan went “Lost in Conference Championship Game 7, Won NBA Title, Won NBA Title, Won NBA Title, Won NBA Title, Won NBA Title, Won NBA Title, Won NBA Title.” That’s unique.

And he always had the same or more HOFers. His 2nd three peat he had 3 HOFers

The Sonics had 1. Jazz had 2. Teams in the East had 1

The competition wasnt that great. The 90s had sone great players but not many great teams he had to go through

 

[Drinking The Green Koolaid]

And he always had the same or more HOFers. His 2nd three peat he had 3 HOFers

The Sonics had 1. Jazz had 2. Teams in the East had 1

The competition wasnt that great. The 90s had sone great players but not many great teams he had to go through

I disagree with your opinion that the competition MJ's teams faced "wasn't that great," but even assuming for purpose of argument you are right, you still miss the point, and that is this: in 6 trips to the NBA Finals, Jordan took 6 championship trophies home. Whatever the level of competition, Jordan and the Bulls prevailed. Lebron simply cannot say the same. Lebron is 4-6 in NBA Finals. and while you can try to spin that record, some of those were bad losses. He got swept by the Spurs in his first trip to the finals in 2007. That one is perhaps understandable, inasmuch as the Cavs probably weren't a very strong team, and the Spurs had Duncan, Ginobili and Parker in their primes. But be honest, the loss in the 2011 Finals to the Mavericks--against whom the Heat were heavy favorites--was a black mark on LBJ's legacy. NO WAY Jordan lets that happen. In two of those losses, LBJ pretty much disappeared. Again, no way Jordan lets that happen. The Heat were nearly swept again in 2014, losing to the Spurs 1-4. Another bad loss. LBJ's teams lost three finals to Golden State. I don't see that happening to a Jordan team. I will grant you that the Cavaliers' victory over GS in the 2016 NBA Finals, after being down 3-1, was an amazing title run by LBJ, and he played phenomenally in that series. But in crunch time, I will take Jordan every time. And IMO it's not really a debatable argument.

 

[Golson5]

I disagree with your opinion that the competition MJ's teams faced "wasn't that great," but even assuming for purpose of argument you are right, you still miss the point, and that is this: in 6 trips to the NBA Finals, Jordan took 6 championship trophies home. Whatever the level of competition, Jordan and the Bulls prevailed. Lebron simply cannot say the same. Lebron is 4-6 in NBA Finals. and while you can try to spin that record, some of those were bad losses. He got swept by the Spurs in his first trip to the finals in 2007. That one is perhaps understandable, inasmuch as the Cavs probably weren't a very strong team, and the Spurs had Duncan, Ginobili and Parker in their primes. But be honest, the loss in the 2011 Finals to the Mavericks--against whom the Heat were heavy favorites--was a black mark on LBJ's legacy. NO WAY Jordan lets that happen. In two of those losses, LBJ pretty much disappeared. Again, no way Jordan lets that happen. The Heat were nearly swept again in 2014, losing to the Spurs 1-4. Another bad loss. LBJ's teams lost three finals to Golden State. I don't see that happening to a Jordan team. I will grant you that the Cavaliers' victory over GS in the 2016 NBA Finals, after being down 3-1, was an amazing title run by LBJ, and he played phenomenally in that series. But in crunch time, I will take Jordan every time. And IMO it's not really a debatable argument.

So you're giving credit to someone who loses before the Finals? Lebron had to win more series to make 10 Finals. Jordan lost earlier in the Playoff.

It's just a dumb argument. If you think Jordan is better, that's fine. Mike is great and he could be number 1. But that argument about the 6 Finals is a poor one. You're giving credit to someone who is losing earlier instead of giving credit to someone who is winning more series

 

[Irishjohn68]

How does a team with LeBron James, who some say is the greatest NBA player to ever live, and Anthony Davis as a teammate, get swept?

Both are overrated.

 

[BGI User 756]

Lol

Z was washed by then. He scored 5ppg.

He retired after his first yr then

Come on... reach much lol

Not reaching any more than you and the rest of the LBJ sniffers.

Just acknowledging your previous post that Z was a good player at Cleveland.

 

[NDinNJ]

Yep. Because Mike was very fortunate to have a competent gm and 2 great head coaches. He got lucky they were able to get Pippen. If not, 0 rings

Lebrons best teammate with Cavs was who??? Maybe Ilgauskus Lol. Of course he had to go somewhere else. Who was his best Coach?? Lol

Pippen and Collins and Jackson vs what Levron had for his first 7 years

Lebron did what he had to do. No one could win with those Cavs teams and management. Impossible

All i'm hearing from you is what if's. And if Jordan did what Lebron did moving and creating super teams Jordan would have 10 rings.

 

[Drinking The Green Koolaid]

So you're giving credit to someone who loses before the Finals? Lebron had to win more series to make 10 Finals. Jordan lost earlier in the Playoff.

It's just a dumb argument. If you think Jordan is better, that's fine. Mike is great and he could be number 1. But that argument about the 6 Finals is a poor one. You're giving credit to someone who is losing earlier instead of giving credit to someone who is winning more series

It's not a dumb argument at all. You think Lebron's longevity is a truer measure of greatness than Jordan's ability to take home the championship trophy once he was in a position to win it. I don't see it that way. Lebron has had an amazing career, and is still playing at a high level at an age when Jordan was basically washed up. I will concede the longevity argument to you, but being really good for a long time isn't the same as being great when a title was there for the taking.

 

[sjb75]

Shoe sales don't lie. 25 years after MJ's last title.

Air Jordan.

 

[francade]

That blazers team was much more than just drexler. Terry porter & Danny ainge along w/ Clyde made that backcourt one of the best in the NBA. Petrovic was there for a few years too. Jerome jersey, Kevin duckworth, cliff robinson & buck williams rounded out their roster w/ mark Bryant & Walter Davis their 9th or 10th men. That was a really good team.

 

[Tru2Irish]

Remember Bulls got Horace Grant with 10th pick in that draft as well. It would be like Lebron getting Kawhi & Ibaka in the same draft. In his 4th yr.

Parrish and McHale draft definitely helped Bird too. Not free agent talent all conspiring to win championship but through drafts. Big difference in putting winning teams together.

 

[mrwigglesby21]

The Pippen Bull's were a terrible call away "especially by 90's standards" from the ECF's and likely the Finals. Lebron's supporting cast 2 of which were in the Finals the year before either went to the lottery or missed the playoffs completely. That's not whataboutism thats a true fact of what each player meant to his team.

Who exactly do you think taught Pippen how to be a winner? Who invited Pippen to the Breakfast Club workouts? Were the Bulls still running the triangle O they had been running for the better part of a decade? I assume the Heat had to drastically change everything.

Dewayne Wade had already won a championship and NBA Finals MVP when Lebron joined. Did MJ ever play with an NBA Finals MVP in their prime, or, at all?

Lebron physical prowess DEMANDS that he dominates, similar to Shaq. Nobody in the league looks like Lbj. MANY players in MJ's league were 6'6 215 - but they didn't have the skill or mind of MJ. Lebron out there playing against undersized dudes freight-training to the rim in a league with like 2 -3 real centers. I'm the King he says!

You talk about true facts and what a player meant to his team. Please discuss the discrepancy between PER and WinShares/48.

I'm curious, do you think the best heat squad (James Wade Bosh) beats a Bulls squad with Jordan Pippen Rodman (or Horace Grant) in a best of 7?

 

[BGI User 756]

And in typical LBJ fashion, he gets involved in Twitter chatter about refs..

 

[sjb75]

And in typical LBJ fashion, he gets involved in Twitter chatter about refs..

Miami Heat pulls off the improbable.

 

[BGI User 756]

Miami Heat pulls off the improbable.

Actually they should have won in 4, but blew the game in the second half.

Boston becomes the first city to have its hockey and basketball teams lose game 7 at home to an 8 seed in same season

 

[bizzybecknd]

Hes not a pure PG

Hes a combo scoring guard. A classic 2 guard but a modern point.

And yes Hes a stud

Only player EVER to obtain 10+ assists in their first 4 finals games. Purest PG in the league

 

[Chitown11]

Only player EVER to obtain 10+ assists in their first 4 finals games. Purest PG in the league

AND...................hes still a D-bag

 

[francade]

Only player EVER to obtain 10+ assists in their first 4 finals games. Purest PG in the league

“AND...................hes still a D-bag”

Chitown, I could be wrong, but I think he’s talking about Jamal Murray, not LeBrenda.

 

[bizzybecknd]

“AND...................hes still a D-bag”

Chitown, I could be wrong, but I think he’s talking about Jamal Murray, not LeBrenda.

100%

 

[NWfor3]

And he lost 9 years because he couldn't make the Finals. He was getting smoked until he got Pippen and the 80s teams got old. The league expanded and got watered down and there was no International players.

He never beat a team in the Finals who had the same or more HOFers than his team. His team was a superteam playing against good but not elite competition

Drexler and who.....was on that 92 Blazers team. Come on. His biggest threat in the East was the Knicks and they had 1 HOFer. Same with the Pacers

Weak competition

And did he choose who to play against? Jordan played against the competition, if you are complaining about MJ, teams had a chance to beat the Bulls..they didn’t.