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kelly set an ND record in '14 - most points

He also owns the title of winningest active head coach, and most fans to hate a coach with a win % above .700 at their current school (minimum of 5 years)
 
IrishBlooded said:
This won't come as much of a surprise. But once again you lied.

http://www.coacheshotseat.com/WinningestActiveCoachesIA.htm

With Beamer retiring after last year at 279 wins. That leaves Kelly in first place at 226. Try not to get too mad about being called out again. That can lead to an ulcer.
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I gave you a link to D1 totals from a respected football reference/statistic site.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/leaders/wins-coach-career.html

Why don't you contact them and call them liars too?

Have you asked yourself, why did they leave out gvsu's totals from kelly?

It's because they're not relevant to D1 football.

There is a reason that they exclude D2, D3 wins from their accurate D1 listing.

kelly has 108 D1 wins and that's a fact.

I'm guessing you add triple AA and double A wins to MLB pitching totals too.... I guess folks should also add arena, Canadian....other pro football totals to the NFL stats....

kelly's 2 decades plus in lower division football is a testament to his mediocrity and not a "badge of honor".

keep pumping sunshine. The guy's an average to above average coach with a colossus behind him.

That colossus is sadly eroding....
 
cgvr said:
I gave you a link to D1 totals from a respected football reference/statistic site.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/leaders/wins-coach-career.html

Why don't you contact them and call them liars too?

Have you asked yourself, why did they leave out gvsu's totals from kelly?

It's because they're not relevant to D1 football.

There is a reason that they exclude D2, D3 wins from their accurate D1 listing.

kelly has 108 D1 wins and that's a fact.

I'm guessing you add triple AA and double A wins to MLB pitching totals too.... I guess folks should also add arena, Canadian....other pro football totals to the NFL stats....

kelly's 2 decades plus in lower division football is a testament to his mediocrity and not a "badge of honor".

keep pumping sunshine. The guy's an average to above average coach with a colossus behind him.

That colossus is sadly eroding....
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lots of coaches got their starts at the lower levels. why dismiss them ? do holtzs wins at william and mary count ? tressels at youngstown state ? even a little football knowledge would give your posts some substance and yourself a tad of credibility here. i can help. resulting to name calling and insults is the first sign of low self esteem. nothing worse than fake bravado. no shame in admitting you are less than knowledgeable about a particular subject. be brave. learn.
 
cgvr raises a fair point about the defense. The 2014 defense was the worst ND defense ever. That's a fact. And 2015 wasn't a whole lot better. Since Kelly has shown no willingness to make a change, it's tough getting excited about next season.
 
cgvr said:
I gave you a link to D1 totals from a respected football reference/statistic site.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/leaders/wins-coach-career.html

Why don't you contact them and call them liars too?

Have you asked yourself, why did they leave out gvsu's totals from kelly?

It's because they're not relevant to D1 football.

There is a reason that they exclude D2, D3 wins from their accurate D1 listing.

kelly has 108 D1 wins and that's a fact.

I'm guessing you add triple AA and double A wins to MLB pitching totals too.... I guess folks should also add arena, Canadian....other pro football totals to the NFL stats....

kelly's 2 decades plus in lower division football is a testament to his mediocrity and not a "badge of honor".

keep pumping sunshine. The guy's an average to above average coach with a colossus behind him.

That colossus is sadly eroding....
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I don't need to. It states right in his own definition that the 'facts' he uses are a 'judgement call'. His exact quote:

"In general, if a school was part of an FBS-equivalent conference, or if a school played a majority of their games against other rated schools, then I included them. If the number of games was 50%, then I made a judgment call (usually based on the year before and after). Sometimes, a school played fewer games against other rated schools, but I included them to avoid 'holes' in the data. At times there were just plain subjective decisions. In the very early years it was a little more esoteric. In deciding who to include it was as much art as science."

Where as the number I gave are actual win / loss numbers and facts. Don't worry, we know you aren't that smart. And we don't get mad when you lie. Just like teaching an animal not to pee inside it just takes the time to train you to understand.
 
At Miami Al Golden could never find the gumption to fire his DC and hire a seasoned veteran. Just sayin
 
shooter1977 said:
cgvr raises a fair point about the defense. The 2014 defense was the worst ND defense ever. That's a fact. And 2015 wasn't a whole lot better. Since Kelly has shown no willingness to make a change, it's tough getting excited about next season.
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I would debate that as a "fact", especially for the first half of the 2014 season.

As far "points allowed" stats go, football in general much higher scoring than it ever has been in the past
(both because of offensive schemes and because of rules changes)

The defense really needs to improve, but I think the talent is there to be a good defense
 
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shooter1977 said:
cgvr raises a fair point about the defense. The 2014 defense was the worst ND defense ever. That's a fact. And 2015 wasn't a whole lot better. Since Kelly has shown no willingness to make a change, it's tough getting excited about next season.
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The 2014 defense was playing very well until all the injuries started piling up. First half of 2014 and the second half of 2014 look like two separate seasons. Then we get guys back and look pretty good in our bowl game, which gives credence to the role of injuries in that season.
 
IrishBlooded said:
I don't need to. It states right in his own definition that the 'facts' he uses are a 'judgement call'. His exact quote:

"In general, if a school was part of an FBS-equivalent conference, or if a school played a majority of their games against other rated schools, then I included them. If the number of games was 50%, then I made a judgment call (usually based on the year before and after). Sometimes, a school played fewer games against other rated schools, but I included them to avoid 'holes' in the data. At times there were just plain subjective decisions. In the very early years it was a little more esoteric. In deciding who to include it was as much art as science."

Where as the number I gave are actual win / loss numbers and facts. Don't worry, we know you aren't that smart. And we don't get mad when you lie. Just like teaching an animal not to pee inside it just takes the time to train you to understand.
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I gave you an accurate D1 win account nothing more nothing less. Not one person here has been able to name a game that they ever saw kelly coach at D 2. As stated, he spent over 2 decades mired in mediocrity because he didn't have the skill.... He has proven that he is a slow learner...vulgar, and stupid.
 
cgvr said:
I gave you an accurate D1 win account nothing more nothing less. Not one person here has been able to name a game that they ever saw kelly coach at D 2. As stated, he spent over 2 decades mired in mediocrity because he didn't have the skill.... He has proven that he is a slow learner...vulgar, and stupid.
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more immature behavior. low self esteem appears to be a prominent part of your make up. please seek professional help. don't be proud.
 
echowaker said:
more immature behavior. low self esteem appears to be a prominent part of your make up. please seek professional help. don't be proud.
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2 decades plus in the pee wees and 108 D1 wins...

His most prominent Bowl win in almost 3 decades of coaching is the Music City Bowl....

Until that changes he stinks.
 
cgvr said:
2 decades plus in the pee wees and 108 D1 wins...

His most prominent Bowl win in almost 3 decades of coaching is the Music City Bowl....

Until that changes he stinks.
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your ignorance shows once again. your reference to the lower divisions as "pee wees " is a prime example of your complete lack of knowledge. for your own sake get the help you so desperately need.
 
cgvr said:
I gave you an accurate D1 win account nothing more nothing less. Not one person here has been able to name a game that they ever saw kelly coach at D 2. As stated, he spent over 2 decades mired in mediocrity because he didn't have the skill.... He has proven that he is a slow learner...vulgar, and stupid.
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No, you gave half his coaching career because you can't admit you lied and were caught in it.

Like I said, when it comes to you, the expectations are way low. So it's okay to just say 'nope I didn't know this'. We expect that from you.
 
cgvr said:
2 decades plus in the pee wees and 108 D1 wins...

His most prominent Bowl win in almost 3 decades of coaching is the Music City Bowl....

Until that changes he stinks.
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He coached Grand Valley St. for 13 years, after becoming their head coach at the age of 29. He went 118-35-2 and won 2 D-II national championships.
 
cgvr said:
I gave you an accurate D1 win account nothing more nothing less. Not one person here has been able to name a game that they ever saw kelly coach at D 2. As stated, he spent over 2 decades mired in mediocrity because he didn't have the skill.... He has proven that he is a slow learner...vulgar, and stupid.
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So............... all that to say:

"Kelly actually is the winning-est active CFB coach, and you're link/argument is trying to address something else all together"

Wow...........you're one long winded idiot
 
IrishBlooded said:
No, you gave half his coaching career because you can't admit you lied and were caught in it.

Like I said, when it comes to you, the expectations are way low. So it's okay to just say 'nope I didn't know this'. We expect that from you.
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Show me the lie. It's all here.

As I said, he spent 2 decades plus in the pee wees because he isn't very good.

I accurately accounted his D 1 wins.
 
mbd11 said:
He coached Grand Valley St. for 13 years, after becoming their head coach at the age of 29. He went 118-35-2 and won 2 D-II national championships.
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Here's the years he spent in the pee wees as a coach. It's very unimpressive.

As for the 2 NCs how many games did you see during those years? That will tell you how important they are....

I guess beating the likes of CW Roast is an incredible football feat for some.

It's comical....

1983–1986 Assumption (DC/LB)
1987–1988 Grand Valley State (GA/DB)
1989–1990 Grand Valley State (DC/RC)
1991–2003 Grand Valley State

PS Martin went 74-7 and won 2 NCs.... Tom Beck built the program and kelly inherited a team that had gone 11-1 and 10-2....
 
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cgvr said:
Show me the lie. It's all here.

As I said, he spent 2 decades plus in the pee wees because he isn't very good.

I accurately accounted his D 1 wins.
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So............... all that to say:

"Kelly actually is the winning-est active CFB coach, and you're link/argument is trying to address something else all together"

Wow...........you're one long winded idiot
 
cgvr said:
Here's the years he spent in the pee wees as a coach. It's very unimpressive.

As for the 2 NCs how many games did you see during those years? That will tell you how important they are....

I guess beating the likes of CW Roast is an incredible football feat for some.

It's comical....

1983–1986 Assumption (DC/LB)
1987–1988 Grand Valley State (GA/DB)
1989–1990 Grand Valley State (DC/RC)
1991–2003 Grand Valley State

PS Martin went 74-7 and won 2 NCs.... Tom Beck built the program and kelly inherited a team that had gone 11-1 and 10-2....
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So............... all that to say:

"Kelly actually is the winning-est active CFB coach, and you're link/argument is trying to address something else all together"

Wow...........you're one long winded idiot
 
shooter1977 said:
cgvr raises a fair point about the defense. The 2014 defense was the worst ND defense ever. That's a fact. And 2015 wasn't a whole lot better. Since Kelly has shown no willingness to make a change, it's tough getting excited about next season.
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Most Fortune 500 companies and most top 25 football programs give their employees more then 2 years before giving up on them. I'm sure Van Gorder knows where he stands with Notre Dame and that they need to see improvement in the area that he's in charge of.
 
cgvr said:
Here's the years he spent in the pee wees as a coach. It's very unimpressive.

As for the 2 NCs how many games did you see during those years? That will tell you how important they are....

I guess beating the likes of CW Roast is an incredible football feat for some.

It's comical....

1983–1986 Assumption (DC/LB)
1987–1988 Grand Valley State (GA/DB)
1989–1990 Grand Valley State (DC/RC)
1991–2003 Grand Valley State

PS Martin went 74-7 and won 2 NCs.... Tom Beck built the program and kelly inherited a team that had gone 11-1 and 10-2....
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the poster needs tons of professional help not counting needing the most basic course in the ABC's of football.
 
IrishBlooded said:
He also owns the title of winningest active head coach, and most fans to hate a coach with a win % above .700 at their current school (minimum of 5 years)
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Are you still sticking with this stupidity?

"He also owns the title of winningest active head coach...."

There are at least 8 ahead of him....
 
cgvr said:
Are you still sticking with this stupidity?

"He also owns the title of winningest active head coach...."

There are at least 8 ahead of him....
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Please list which D1 active head coach has more wins currently as a head coach than Kelly does.

I'll wait here.
 
cgvr said:
Are you still sticking with this stupidity?

"He also owns the title of winningest active head coach...."

There are at least 8 ahead of him....
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No, no there aren't

In fact there isn't even 1 active coach ahead of him in CFB wins
 
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IrishBlooded said:
Please list which D1 active head coach has more wins currently as a head coach than Kelly does.

I'll wait here.
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That's not what you wrote pal. You wrote, "He also owns the title of winningest active head coach".....

I won't resort to calling you a "liar", but you are most certainly incorrect.
 
cgvr said:
That's not what you wrote pal. You wrote, "He also owns the title of winningest active head coach".....

I won't resort to calling you a "liar", but you are most certainly incorrect.
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I tried to match every word in your post to a coaches name.

None matched... liar
 
IrishBlooded said:
I tried to match every word in your post to a coaches name.

None matched... liar
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You aren't the brightest bulb. I don't care what you tried to do.

You can't "un-ring" your ignorant bell.

You wrote, "He also owns the title of winningest active head coach..."

That's incorrect by a long shot....as are these potshots....

"Kelly actually is the winning-est active CFB coach" wrong...

"In fact there isn't even 1 active coach ahead of him in CFB wins" wrong....

You guys don't follow the game very closely...

Don't try to change your words now.

I saw one weasel like move, but it isn't going to work.
 
IrishBlooded said:
He also owns the title of winningest active head coach,
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Each of these three quotes from this thread are incorrect.

"He also owns the title of winningest active head coach..."

"Kelly actually is the winning-est active CFB coach"

"In fact there isn't even 1 active coach ahead of him in CFB wins"

Let's start with "Denny Douds"... 256-181-3

Is 256 not greater than 226?
 
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