Kelly is crashing n burning

[theskibro]

He actually publically stated LSU will be in the natty game next year

He must be under pressure. Such a bad move. Imo players don’t want to play for him. 2025. LSU loses 3 games. No playoff. Likely no BK

Why set yourself up to fail? No coach can make that claim. He’s a joke

 

[FightingIrish44]

I agree that it seems desperate. He also said they’re taking receipts.

I just heard on a podcast that they would have been in the SEC title game had they won against Florida. Ouch!

 

[echowaker]

He actually publically stated LSU will be in the natty game next year

He must be under pressure. Such a bad move. Imo players don’t want to play for him. 2025. LSU loses 3 games. No playoff. Likely no BK

Why set yourself up to fail? No coach can make that claim. He’s a joke

There are posters here that will tell you because he makes buckets of money that he's a really good coach.

 

[chaseball]

There are posters here that will tell you because he makes buckets of money that he's a really good coach.

He's a good coach because of his track record.

If he was playing NDs schedule at LSU over the last 3 years, he'd have a much better win loss record thats for sure.

I still like Kelly's upside at LSU. They'll be back next year stronger than ever.

 

[raulduke_007]

He's a good coach because of his track record.

If he was playing NDs schedule at LSU over the last 3 years, he'd have a much better win loss record thats for sure.

I still like Kelly's upside at LSU. They'll be back next year stronger than ever.

I mean losing to a 3-7 A&M team with playoffs on the line and a heisman caliber qb is quite the coaching job. And then getting blown out by Georgia, Tenn, was a hell of a coaching job
If I recall we both played USC this year how did that result work out?

 

[HDK]

There are posters here that will tell you because he makes buckets of money that he's a really good coach.

And unfortunately, when they say that, it will draw a response from the other side, who say he can't coach at all, and that, in turn, draws yet another response from those who say he's happy counting his loot, but, then we hear, he's a lousy coach, and a couple of times in there we will get an impassioned defense from sassy informing us that we are all members of an ignorant mob....

I'm just wondering when this Brian Kelly fever is going to break.

 

[chaseball]

I mean losing to a 3-7 A&M team with playoffs on the line and a heisman caliber qb is quite the coaching job. And then getting blown out by Georgia, Tenn, was a hell of a coaching job
If I recall we both played USC this year how did that result work out?

ND is better than LSU in 2024 no question.

But I think 3 years from now, 2024 is going to be more of an aberation at LSU under BK and he'll have them competing for national titles even in the SEC gauntlet going forward

 

[BGI User 756]

ND is better than LSU in 2024 no question.

But I think 3 years from now, 2024 is going to be more of an aberation at LSU under BK and he'll have them competing for national titles even in the SEC gauntlet going forward

lol. Another 3 years? You told us 3 years ago that he would be NC.

 

[chaseball]

lol. Another 3 years? You told us 3 years ago that he would be NC.

I'd say BK has had two satisfactory seasons and 1 subpar season so far.

My point is that over a 6 year period, 2024 is probably going to be the worst season in the group and yes im still convinced that Brian Kelly is going to have that program in the national title picture more years than not over the course of his contract.

People tend to have too much recency bias when evaluating college football teams and coaches. If you look at BKs track record, he's still one of the best coaches in the business, and he's still the head coach at one of the best football organizations in the modern era. They're going to be just fine going forward.

 

[savvyandsassier]

So we got another BK hate thing going I see. They did have the #1 class just a couple weeks ago. And they lost old boy to Mich, everyone knows that. Then they lost a couple of other random four stars, and they also were outbid by Texas for one of their two five star CBs they had committed. And then there's Meadows, who really wasn't even committed. And then ended up at Bama of all places, and not ND or LSU. So they were on the wrong end of a few flips!

But they still ended up with a better class than ND of course. And they flipped a five star OL. So they got one flip. I assume that's where this is coming from. Chagrin, at ND's comparative inferiority next to LSU on the recruiting front. He did not promise LSU was going to win a title next year. I'm not even sure what the 'taking receipts' remark even means exactly. Other than it's some tough movie-dialogue style rhetoric to make at the close of a fairly ho hum season for a program that had no reason to expect a whole lot more than that. 10-2 and a playoff bid was definitely within their power, and the A&M loss felt like a wasted win that should have been theirs. But that would have been overachieving, and instead went 8-4 which was one below the 9-3 I had them pegged for.

 

[echowaker]

And unfortunately, when they say that, it will draw a response from the other side, who say he can't coach at all, and that, in turn, draws yet another response from those who say he's happy counting his loot, but, then we hear, he's a lousy coach, and a couple of times in there we will get an impassioned defense from sassy informing us that we are all members of an ignorant mob....

I'm just wondering when this Brian Kelly fever is going to break.

He's certainly a good coach. Knows how to build a program and establish a winning culture. That said I'm not sure he'll ever win a NC. Too rigid and inflexible plus his actions and demeanor get stale quickly especially in the current landscape of college football. He'll always win games just not enough of them to get the big prize.

 

[NDinNJ]

I'd say BK has had two satisfactory seasons and 1 subpar season so far.

My point is that over a 6 year period, 2024 is probably going to be the worst season in the group and yes im still convinced that Brian Kelly is going to have that program in the national title picture more years than not over the course of his contract.

People tend to have too much recency bias when evaluating college football teams and coaches. If you look at BKs track record, he's still one of the best coaches in the business, and he's still the head coach at one of the best football organizations in the modern era. They're going to be just fine going forward.

He won't be around long enough to see that to fruition. If LSU does win a NC it won't be with Kelly as the HC, but then you'll be stating how the new HC won it with BK's players. 😂

 

[savvyandsassier]

He probably won't win one. That's true of all coaches. And the BU loss definitely hurts. I don't know how good or not he'll be, but that was going to be LSU football for the next three four years. He was good enough to build around, and plan around in that sense. And LSU was presumably going to make their run with BK during that stretch. Now it's very uncertain what their future is, other than being LSU, a big dog SEC program that will certainly be good, but the complexion is rather different now. And they are again on the hunt for their franchise QB of the future. All they got now is a kid named Colin Hurley, who reminds you a little of Bryce Young, if not quite that good.

 

[echowaker]

He probably won't win one. That's true of all coaches. And the BU loss definitely hurts. I don't know how good or not he'll be, but that was going to be LSU football for the next three four years. He was good enough to build around, and plan around in that sense. And LSU was presumably going to make their run with BK during that stretch. Now it's very uncertain what their future is, other than being LSU, a big dog SEC program that will certainly be good, but the complexion is rather different now. And they are again on the hunt for their franchise QB of the future. All they got now is a kid named Colin Hurley, who reminds you a little of Bryce Young, if not quite that good.

Well said. After all these years I think the biggest obstacle Brian Kelly has in a winning a National Championship is Brian Kelly.

 

[Golson5]

He's a good coach because of his track record.

If he was playing NDs schedule at LSU over the last 3 years, he'd have a much better win loss record thats for sure.

I still like Kelly's upside at LSU. They'll be back next year stronger than ever.

He's played less top 25 games than we have during the same time and has much less wins in those games

 

[savvyandsassier]

Well said. After all these years I think the biggest obstacle Brian Kelly has in a winning a National Championship is Brian Kelly.

What? Where the F would that come from? What are you talking about? You guys will never have that breakthrough, will you. However this all got started, you're going to be BK haters to the grave. It's how you're going to define yourself. I would say it's tragic, but it's not. It's just effed up and dark, and totally senseless.

 

[burmafrd1943]

What? Where the F would that come from? What are you talking about? You guys will never have that breakthrough, will you. However this all got started, you're going to be BK haters to the grave. It's how you're going to define yourself. I would say it's tragic, but it's not. It's just effed up and dark, and totally senseless.

Its called many years of observation.

 

[perseverare]

Big names crashing and burning Day, Kelly, Riley! Not too in the future firings. Most likely Day, Riley, Kelly

 

[NDinNJ]

What? Where the F would that come from? What are you talking about? You guys will never have that breakthrough, will you. However this all got started, you're going to be BK haters to the grave. It's how you're going to define yourself. I would say it's tragic, but it's not. It's just effed up and dark, and totally senseless.

Someone forgot to take their meds this morning. 🙄 👆

 

[NDinNJ]

Big names crashing and burning Day, Kelly, Riley! Not too in the future firings. Most likely Day, Riley, Kelly

I would have it Kelly, Riley, Day. Day made the playoffs, the other two are far from it.

 

[echowaker]

What? Where the F would that come from? What are you talking about? You guys will never have that breakthrough, will you. However this all got started, you're going to be BK haters to the grave. It's how you're going to define yourself. I would say it's tragic, but it's not. It's just effed up and dark, and totally senseless.

What hate ? A few posts earlier I referred to him as a good coach and he is. Because I don't believe he'll win a NC I'm a hater ? Yikes.

 

[chaseball]

What hate ? A few posts earlier I referred to him as a good coach and he is. Because I don't believe he'll win a NC I'm a hater ? Yikes.

No you are just another blind ND fanboy

 

[Irish_inPSU]

I despise of this man and was never happier when he left ND. Excuse my french but "f" that guy.

But I will say this. The SEC is a very rough conference to win in. Think about it. With the expansion and add the caliber of teams they did to the conference, talent is spread around far more than in years past with the NIL deals as well. I honestly think it will be a tough for any SEC team to ever go unbeaten. I think you'll see a lot of 1 and 2 loss teams every season moving forward.

ND's schedule this year was a cakewalk by comparison.

 

[echowaker]

No you are just another blind ND fanboy

Thank you. Better than being an uninformed faux ND fan.

 

[savvyandsassier]

What hate ? A few posts earlier I referred to him as a good coach and he is. Because I don't believe he'll win a NC I'm a hater ? Yikes.

How about this, then. How about prove it by not sliding in any gratuitous passive aggressive little potshots. I know I'm being really fussy about it, I apologize. But BK doesn't have any problems, he's not his own worst enemy. Everything's cool with BK, other than LSU needs to figure out what they're going to do at QB after this season, if you can even call that a problem. And if he eventually gets fired at LSU then so be it. But there is no crisis at LSU, and BK is not currently in any danger of being fired. Even though there's this still-festering narrative that BK sucks, that his fortunes are always in perpetual danger of collapsing, every time LSU loses a game, or some HS prospect flips to another school. And we have ND fans to thank for that. And the internet, you can blame the internet itself.

So bottom line, BK is not the obstacle to BK. There are no obstacles he faces that any other coach doesn't also face. There's just nothing going on with BK that's bad. Other than life in the SEC is hectic. That's it. So there you go.

 

[banmate6]

My usual conclusion on BK. Solid coach. Great program manager. Questionable recruiter. Questionable developer of players. Not inspiring. Decent Xs and Os, although suspect game calling and game preparation in big games.

I expected him to do better at LSU. But NIL and transfers have weakened the stronger teams relative to the next tier. This and his weaknesses produce what we see. He still cannot win the bigger games. He still has issues inspiring his team...gotta say it again, something Marcus Freeman excels at.

I continue to wish BK well. He got ND back to respectability. A foundation for Marcus Freeman.

I actually feel bad for BK. I also see desperation in his BRIEF comment about the NC next year. Until proven differently, he can't win the big one.

 

[BGI User 756]

I'd say BK has had two satisfactory seasons and 1 subpar season so far.

My point is that over a 6 year period, 2024 is probably going to be the worst season in the group and yes im still convinced that Brian Kelly is going to have that program in the national title picture more years than not over the course of his contract.

People tend to have too much recency bias when evaluating college football teams and coaches. If you look at BKs track record, he's still one of the best coaches in the business, and he's still the head coach at one of the best football organizations in the modern era. They're going to be just fine going forward.

Recency bias is your middle name

 

[Telx1]

My usual conclusion on BK. Solid coach. Great program manager. Questionable recruiter. Questionable developer of players. Not inspiring. Decent Xs and Os, although suspect game calling and game preparation in big games.

I expected him to do better at LSU. But NIL and transfers have weakened the stronger teams relative to the next tier. This and his weaknesses produce what we see. He still cannot win the bigger games. He still has issues inspiring his team...gotta say it again, something Marcus Freeman excels at.

I continue to wish BK well. He got ND back to respectability. A foundation for Marcus Freeman.

I actually feel bad for BK. I also see desperation in his BRIEF comment about the NC next year. Until proven differently, he can't win the big one.

Agree, except I frankly don’t see a lot of downside to his comment. Set a high bar for the players and himself, and buy some goodwill with the fan base. Failure to make the playoffs will probably result in his firing, and he can take his $50m and go play golf. Get in the playoffs and buy another year. Win it all and he’s a hero.

 

[THUNDERSTRUCK111]

My observation with Kelly :

1. is that he was never a dog on the recruiting trail. Like urban Meyer was .
2. Never went to top programs like bishop Gorman etc and talked with the coaches about prospects etc. This is a fact btw. They all saw saban , Dabo etc.
3. Took the easy hires , buddies. BVG .
4. Never had any fiery or motivational speeches . Business as usual approach. Our teams were always flat.
5. Never had any new wrinkles to his offense or defense teams havent seen come big games especially the playoffs. Saban even said this. ND was predictable.
6. Never saw Kelly going to players on the bench and slapping high fives and giving them encouragement, firing them up. Never.
7. I don’t believe he really embraced the ND tradition . Just a paycheck.
8.As long as he won 9 games a year he was safe from being fired. And that’s the way he ran his programs.

I could be wrong but I think Kelly’s best days are behind him when comes to cfb coaching.

 

[savvyandsassier]

My usual conclusion on BK. Solid coach. Great program manager. Questionable recruiter. Questionable developer of players. Not inspiring. Decent Xs and Os, although suspect game calling and game preparation in big games.

I expected him to do better at LSU. But NIL and transfers have weakened the stronger teams relative to the next tier. This and his weaknesses produce what we see. He still cannot win the bigger games. He still has issues inspiring his team...gotta say it again, something Marcus Freeman excels at.

I continue to wish BK well. He got ND back to respectability. A foundation for Marcus Freeman.

I actually feel bad for BK. I also see desperation in his BRIEF comment about the NC next year. Until proven differently, he can't win the big one.

Well, that was a very measured conclusion. You briefly acknowledged, or at least obliquely alluded to his huge body of bottom line success, while the large part of your time was spent highlighting his manifold failings and shortcomings. And well as your own disappointment at what you are characterizing, I feel rather tendentiously, as his underperformance at LSU thus far, shall we say, which is unwarranted, as he's not especially underperformed at all. On account, naturally, of all those various inadequacies. But you do wish him well, which is generous, and I'm sure is not lost on him, as he was able to at least bring a modicum of respectability to ND, nothing more. And your final sentiments are the always gracious expressions of pity, pity for the desperation, your word, so palpable in his most recent public appearances, aka routine press conferences, where he did not promise a national title for LSU next season. Very much did not do that. And then you finished off with a more openly hostile dig at the canard that is wielded most tediously against him. Can't win the big one!

All in all, an extremely transparent, almost platitudionously passive aggressive takedown of ND's all-time winningest coach. I'd like to give you more credit than that, and admire you for your magnanimity, but I just can't. That was some pretty weak sauce.

 

[banmate6]

Agree, except I frankly don’t see a lot of downside to his comment. Set a high bar for the players and himself, and buy some goodwill with the fan base. Failure to make the playoffs will probably result in his firing, and he can take his $50m and go play golf. Get in the playoffs and buy another year. Win it all and he’s a hero.

I agree. I still see it as a bit of desperation. Because every proud and responsible person wants to do a good job.

Money only goes so far when it comes to legacy.

 

[HDK]

Well, that was a very measured conclusion. You briefly acknowledged, or at least obliquely alluded to his huge body of bottom line success, while the large part of your time was spent highlighting his manifold failings and shortcomings. And well as your own disappointment at what you are characterizing, I feel rather tendentiously, as his underperformance at LSU thus far, shall we say, which is unwarranted, as he's not especially underperformed at all. On account, naturally, of all those various inadequacies. But you do wish him well, which is generous, and I'm sure is not lost on him, as he was able to at least bring a modicum of respectability to ND, nothing more. And your final sentiments are the always gracious expressions of pity, pity for the desperation, your word, so palpable in his most recent public appearances, aka routine press conferences, where he did not promise a national title for LSU next season. Very much did not do that. And then you finished off with a more openly hostile dig at the canard that is wielded most tediously against him. Can't win the big one!

All in all, an extremely transparent, almost platitudionously passive aggressive takedown of ND's all-time winningest coach. I'd like to give you more credit than that, and admire you for your magnanimity, but I just can't. That was some pretty weak sauce.

There is some middle ground, you know. I mean you constantly harp on the fact that Kelly was ND's winningest coach, but you neglect to mention that he played more games per year than Rockne, Leahy, Parseghian, and even Holtz, and his contract was extended even though he tended to have wildly inconsistent results, whereas other coaches built the team up and maintained a generally high level. Kelly got close his last four years, but his teams fell woefully short when they got to the playoffs.

He threw players under the bus, and he complained constantly about ND was holding him back. He accepted an impossibly good deal to go to LSU, but I doubt Rockne, Leahy, Parseghian or Holtz would have left ND for another gig. (And yes, I remember that Holtz moved on to coach South Carolina, but I think that was more because he was burned out at ND and felt pushed out by a new more academic-minded administration.)

 

[IrishExpert2288]

If Freeman can take ND to the next level, which is winning in the post season tournament, He moves past BK in my mind. ND, since BK rebuilt the program 2.0 starting in 2017 has been on a nice run.

Freeman has basically held serve with Kelly by getting ND to the CFP, Kelly got ND there in 2018 and 2020, and had their been 12 teams in BK's last season, ND would have made the CFP in 2021 too,

Kelly did some good work setting a nice foundation for a new head coach, especially after that 4-8 debacle year, When things really could have went off the rails,
10-3
12-1 CFP
11-2
10-2 CFP
11-2
9-4
10-3
11-1 CFP

84--18 over 8 seasons is a helluva a run. But, if Marcus takes the next step and ND wins in the postseason, and goes on to win a National Championship, Marcus gets to join the select group of Rockne, Leahy, Ara, Devine and Lou.

 

[NDinNJ]

Someone forgot to take their meds this morning. 🙄 👆

The beauty of this is Savvy psycho has me blocked and can't see me trashing him. 😂

 

[SubwaydomerDFW]

My usual conclusion on BK. Solid coach. Great program manager. Questionable recruiter. Questionable developer of players. Not inspiring. Decent Xs and Os, although suspect game calling and game preparation in big games.

I expected him to do better at LSU. But NIL and transfers have weakened the stronger teams relative to the next tier. This and his weaknesses produce what we see. He still cannot win the bigger games. He still has issues inspiring his team...gotta say it again, something Marcus Freeman excels at.

I continue to wish BK well. He got ND back to respectability. A foundation for Marcus Freeman.

I actually feel bad for BK. I also see desperation in his BRIEF comment about the NC next year. Until proven differently, he can't win the big one.

LSU won't be able to out recruit Texas, Texas A&M, Georgia for high end 5* because of NIL. They're going to need player development to sell to these kids and Bryan Kelly isn't a talent developer.

Many of his NFL draft picks had greater success in the league compared to career at ND.

Gone are the days of buying primo hs talent for 50-100k in a purse.

 

[Patrish]

He’s GONE

WHY does anybody still care?

 

[NDinNJ]

He’s GONE

WHY does anybody still care?

Because .,, 🤷‍♂️

 

[Irishjohn68]

No you are just another blind ND fanboy

I’d rather be a “ND Fanboy” then whatever the hell you are?

 

[Harpo Marxist]

He’s GONE

WHY does anybody still care?

Because he's a prick......and that makes him a good conversation piece.

 

[Patrish]

Because he's a prick......and that makes him a good conversation piece.

Discussing him is nothing more than mental masturbation

Why didn’t you call him a prick when he was coaching Notre Dame?