I know the movie and the book, but isn't it rather silly to mimic fictional characters, especially 1-dimensional characters?
Kelly drew first blood, not us
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I know the movie and the book, but isn't it rather silly to mimic fictional characters, especially 1-dimensional characters?
Actually, nothing about college football compares to a life and death scenario of first blood. Just another of the silly metaphors of football as war. All show a childish understanding of war.
Different times back them - back then coaches didnt get paid squat and most had 2nd jobs.
I would say the main difference is that Kelly isn't winning. When a coach is winning, all manner of slights are overlooked. When a coach isn't winning, every little mole hill becomes Everest.
Sorry, Granite and Irish Mike - just realized I used another line from another fictional war movie.
Quit being a grumpy old man. The kids on your block must love you.
Or, is it because "lighten up Frances" is from another war movie and it offends you ?
The OP was spot on and you Kelly backers have a hard time accepting that he is not a very good head coach.
Coach 8-4 is not very good.
that is from francis the talking mule; he could make a comeback and do the post game pressers for BK.
Bingo! I went to the 2013 Temple game that following year and wanted to say something to him in the player walk. I was shocked at how many fans were kissing his ace down the pathway. It was absolutely classless what he did at the national title game.
Did you forget he did the meeting with the Eagles during the week of prep for Bama? You're clueless. His job was to beat Bama not interview for a job he didn't get. Who was paying him while they were in Florida that week?
Its from Stripes when the character "Francis" was talking psycho and Sgt Hulka said, "Lighten up Francis"
Great movie!
I've liked Saban ever since that game. He's Catholic and grew up an ND fan. He knew he had it won and could've dropped 70 on Kelly but he didn't want to have ND's program destroyed forever. That's just my opinion.
It's psycho.
Nobody touches my stuff. if I catch anyone touching my stuff ... I'll kill ya.
And one more thing ...any one of you... homos... touches me....I'll kill ya.
Great movie.
Thanks Granite for placing the game of football in the proper perspective
“Football is for entertainment "war is not a game”? ..... Following is a small sample of the torture my father and tens of thousands of our service people endured and died following their capture at Bataan. I copied a partial post war deposition of George Curtis.
http://www.west-point.org/family/japanese-pow/
47 Days on the Hell Ships
partial post war deposition
by George L. Curtis
Remembrance of the a few experiences of our service men on a voyage to Japan in the Winter of 1944-1945
Originally written and typed in the Summer, 1947 ~ Final editing by Michael Doty, November 2009
Q How many men were there in the aft hold?
A I was in charge of counting the men in the aft hold, and when we first entered the hold, there were 729 prisoners
Q Describe conditions in the aft hold.
A They were indescribable. There was no room to lie down, there wasn't even room to sit down. We were jammed together in that hold like cattle. The only way I could get off my feet was to sit down with my legs spread wide apart and another prisoner would then sit between my legs. Everyone in the hold did that.
Q Did you have any ventilation?
A There was not a single port hole. The only source of ventilation was the hatch above, and the Japanese kept that 3/4 closed.
Q What facilities were provided for excretion?
A We had about one dozen cans, quart size a few larger, which were our only latrines.
Q What happened the first night out?
A It was the wildest frenzy I have ever seen. Men went stark raving mad. In their insane fury they tried to stand up and run around. In so doing they stepped all over other prisoners. It was more than human beings could stand. Some who had managed to conceal knives ran amok. To prevent them from killing other prisoners who had managed to retain some semblance of reason, we tried to knock the crazy ones unconscious. They were so weak however, from disease and malnutrition that most of the prisoners who were struck to render them harmless actually died that night. I remember one case of an American navy hospital apprentice who ran wild. He killed three men, and then a Navy Warrant Officer decided that the sailor would have to be killed to protect the others. He tried to hit him over the head with a canteen but the canteen was not heavy enough Prisoners in the vicinity contributed water, whatever water they had to fill up the canteen and thus make it heavy enough to do the job. Dead bodies were shuttled back and forth over our heads all night long. You could not endure having a dead man lying across your body, so you would pick him up and pass him over your head to get him out of the way. In a short time he would be passed back and you would have him lying over you all over again. I remember one prisoner, Cal Coolidge, who had been a friend of mine in Manila prior to the outbreak of the war. Cal died in my arms and I passed him on. His corpse must have come back to me about a dozen times that night. I had one dead man on me for an hour. I don't even know who he was. There were no lights.
A The results were beyond the power of imagination. Men went stark mad. Others resorted to blood-sucking. Many men, due to their extreme thirst, would grab canteens that had been used as urinals and drink the contents without thought to the results such would bring on. Due to threats of the Japanese to throw hand grenades into the hold if we were not quiet, it was necessary to muffle many men who were out of their head and creating a large disturbance. In some instances this resulted in the death of the unfortunate prisoner of war. The hold can best be described as a sweltering mass of thirsty, fear-stricken, mad human beings. In one instance, a large corpsman went out of his head and began calling to the Japanese sentry and attempting to get up the ladder to get at him. The gist of his shouts was that he had suffered all that he could bear and that he would kill the dirty bastard or die in the attempt. In order to protect the rest of the men in the hold from threatened hand grenades and rifle fire, it was necessary to quiet this man. Due to his above average strength, it became necessary to knock him out, such effort unfortunately being too great with the result that it killed him.
Q What happened in the morning?
A We took a count and found that 38 men were dead.
Q What did you do with their bodies?
A There were two Taiwanese guards stationed on deck over the hatch at the head of the ladder. We passed the bodies up the ladder and never saw them again. Presumably the Japanese threw them overboard.
Q What happened on the morning of December 14th?
A We were bombed by American planes. I was hit by shrapnel between the eyes and at the tip of my nose. Others were wounded more seriously than I, and there was blood all over the place. Men scrambled frantically to get out of the hold, but the Taiwanese guards at the head of the ladder would not let them. They stood there with loaded rifles and fixed bayonets. At one point the guards fired point-blank into the hold, killing several prisoners. Among the prisoners killed, I remember Commanders Wilson and Bridget, who were shot trying to get up the ladder. There were many others whose names I cannot remember. [Ed. – According to the Oryoku Maru Roster website, Lt. Cmdr. Bridget survived the voyage until 9 January 1945. There is no listing of a Cmdr. Wilson. No one with the last name Wilson died on the 14h December.]
Q What happened then?
A On the morning of December 15th we were told to prepare to go ashore. Then American planes came over, again bombed and strafed the ship, and finally the ship began to sink. Prisoners started climbing up the ladder. As I started to go up on deck, a bomb landed and knocked the deck gun to the right of the hatch out of commission. Boards and I-beams fell in on top of the prisoners, killing many. I turned back and went down into the hold, removing as much of the debris as I could, freeing many prisoners who had been pinned down. Finally, I got up on deck. When I poked my head over the hatchway, I saw Lt. TOSHINO blazing away with his pistol at American prisoners who were trying to get out of the forward hatch. When he paused to reload his pistol, I darted out and leaped over the side from the upper deck.
right! 'tighten up francis' was heard when Bodi was going at it with Francis the talking Mule
That was the biggest mistake Kelly made -- NOT DOING ANY HITTING for 5 weeks....plus, when they showed Bama coming on to the field just before kickoff, they showed ND looking as they (Bama) passed by -- ND players looked like they really did not want to be there.
Why didn't you say anything to him being that you say so much about him here? That was your shot at telling him off but good.
I take it you don't have cable in Appalachia . So, no kickin back, with a Mountain Dew and watchin Francis Joins the Army!
Wasn't the meeting during the week after the national championship game? Jenkins and Swarbrick would have fired him 5 minutes after the game ended if he had met with them prior to the game.
I trust you were not at the game, because if you would have seen Saban and Kirby Smart flipping out during our last TD drive you wouldn't be talking about anyone taking their foot off the gas. Bama still had starters in the game up until their last possession.
Well, the OP has nothing to do with Kelly being a good or not-good coach; it was a complaint about his behavior in 2012.
Not that old and actually neighborhood kids love me because I don't make excessive issue of non-important stuff like college football.
I am not a Kelly supporter or critic, but do prefer rationality and not childish, irrational posts about Notre Dame football. I said elsewhere this is why fans should not be consulted about decisions; too many are not rational.
And, finally, I am not offended but do believe childish comments need to cited particularly in an intended adult discussion.
Oh, I am quite familiar with Francis. The kind of movie a UHF station would play on a rainy Sunday afternoon and the only reason to watch was to avoid finally tackling the weekend homework.
I was just wondering about who else would know Mr. Ed's inspiration.
lighten up Francs: it was all in good friendly humor!
That mule has gotten more mention today than the past ten years in total!
He's probably giving the rub to Mr. Ed!
This should be the end of the tread. NO more responses needed. I was begging for this to happen.
The OP was inferring that BK is not a good coach for ND and he gave us very clear notice by being distracted w/ his Jets interview and his team not being prepared to play against a great team in Alabama. If you cannot understand what the OP meant w/ his clever analogy - then so be it - your panty's being in a bunch over this is ridiculous IMO. You then create a fake ID or had a friend create 1 to post a 1 time post to back your war insensitivities.
I thought the OP was not only spot on, but also said he could of used the "Tulsa Game" as BK's "drawing first blood - not us" w/ That bonehead in game decision that cost ND a football win vs. a shitty team. It was an omen for things to come and they have come in spades in this 2 - 5 season and in all other seasons except for 2012.
This is a message board created for amusement and discussion of ND football. No more / no less - quit trying to make it sound like life or death.
This is my last word on this - if you want to keep it going then do what you wish.
I see; a conspiracy theory. What nonsense. We disagree about the original post so you then insult me. Same level as your reasoning.
I concur.....the anal-retention of some of these posters is dam near clinical. A free message board is not only free in the financial sense....its free in the thought and dialogue sense as well. That is the part that some of these nervous nellies refuse to grasp.
Win
no excuses: just WIN
that is Kelly's solution. A thousand ID's with thousand vulgarities will not take the place of winning.
Winning is his only solution.
no excuses: just WIN
that is Kelly's solution. A thousand ID's with thousand vulgarities will not take the place of winning.
Winning is his only solution.
I see. You espouse the principal of free speech. But anyone who disagrees with you is a "nervous nellie." And this coming from a guy who is now given to hair pulling on a daily basis.
no....you don't see....its perfectly ok to disagree with me....many do. The difference is...I don't lecture those who disagree with me. I don't take the free message board very seriously at all to be perfectly honest about it. I get what I pay for
The thin-skinned amongst us here are so afraid that players and families are offended by criticism on a free message board....yet many of the same defend Kelly for interviewing for a pro job in the course of a championship run. That didn't offend players or families? Upward mobility trumps all? Just another inconsistency for the PC police to explain away.
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More of your usual hair pulling. Every day, you find a way to tell us all about the decline and fall of the ND football program. If anyone is a nervous nellie, it is you. Go find somewhere you can curl up in a fetal position and whimper.
that might be the weakest, least composed response I've read from your perspective. Fetal? Whimper? Good Lord...this is a free and free-thinking message board. At least I got one out of the two for my money's worth.
Name one poster who defended BK for interviewing for the Eagles position. Not only were fans not happy with the loss, then BK's interview, but it was all topped off by his disappearing act for a week afterwards. Now, give us the names of these posters who defended BK.
this was Rivals....not Blue and Gold...in 2012. If you were on this board....give us your name at that time. There were numerous posters who thought it was just fine that BK interviewed with the Eagles....You were not here.
Granite, thank you for your input. I apologize my OP negatively affected you.
I was simply trying to imply that any harsh criticism Kelly currently receives is warranted. I thought the analogy of first blood from Rambo illustrated perfectly that we had no ill-will towards Kelly, but when he flirted with the Eagles we made a mental note. Now that the train has derailed he wants to bemoan how the players don’t have a sense of pride to play for ND, they aren’t having fun, etc. Well perhaps they got that from the head man in charge, and perhaps he should stop whining, he drew first blood, not us.
Also, taking into consideration that you visit a college football message board for serious dialogue only, I am interested in your thoughts regarding current foreign policy pertaining to the conflict engulfing the middle east. More specifically, how the United States provides financial assistance and weapons to Saudi Arabia (to name one), who then funnels said money and weapons into the hands of anti-NATO rebels, which then results in the loss of American lives, as well as create a humanitarian crisis in which the US leads the way towards subsidizing. All this while pushing the US closer and closer towards the brink of WW3 against Russia, Iran and China (pivot to Asia not going so well lately – loss of the Philippines, etc.). Do you feel this is a solid strategy moving forward? You know, imperialism, globalism, and proxy wars.
Or would you prefer to discuss something from the past like Libya, the African Gold Dinar and their move away from the petro-dollar?
