A very very interesting move here. Tells me Quinn is happy at ND and biding his time. And maybe that a real "coach" working with players all summer will be huge. Thoughts?
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I would have thought Kelly would hire a real strength and conditioning professional instead of shoving his buddy into an empty slot especially in light of the injury debacle at ND.
What S&C training/experience/expertise does Quinn have? His bio shows nothing. This seems very odd.
Guys.... Really?
Can you not see what Kelly did here and why this move is a little bit of genius on his behalf? How much strength and conditioning do you think Jeff Quinn is going to be responsible for? Absolutely zero. Paul Longo is the Chief in charge of that area and his staff will continue to do what they do in that department. What Quinn gives Kelly is a former head coach, and his former offensive coordinator, with near unlimited 24/7 access to the players, specifically during the times of year when Kelly and his staff do not have said access to their players. You better believe the weight program is going to be tailored in a way that allows Quinn to push the limits of legality regarding strength and conditioning vs football activities. Our offense, in particular, is going to be doing things all off season, under the watchful eye of Quinn, dictated by Brian Kelly.
This was nothing more than a strategic move by Kelly. Quinn's title simply allows him access and ups his pay grade. In reality, Longo will have an "unnamed" assistant of his choosing helping him with strength and conditioning, while Quinn acts as an extension of Kelly and his ace-in-the-hole relative to player contact in the off season.
I'm as critical of Kelly at times as just about anyone on the board... I applaud this move. Maneuvering his chess pieces in a way to get around the NCAA and it's a thing of beauty.
Y'all are smarter than that, come on. Think outside of the box boys.
Can you not see what Kelly did here and why this move is a little bit of genius on his behalf? How much strength and conditioning do you think Jeff Quinn is going to be responsible for? Absolutely zero. Paul Longo is the Chief in charge of that area and his staff will continue to do what they do in that department. What Quinn gives Kelly is a former head coach, and his former offensive coordinator, with near unlimited 24/7 access to the players, specifically during the times of year when Kelly and his staff do not have said access to their players. You better believe the weight program is going to be tailored in a way that allows Quinn to push the limits of legality regarding strength and conditioning vs football activities. Our offense, in particular, is going to be doing things all off season, under the watchful eye of Quinn, dictated by Brian Kelly.
This was nothing more than a strategic move by Kelly. Quinn's title simply allows him access and ups his pay grade. In reality, Longo will have an "unnamed" assistant of his choosing helping him with strength and conditioning, while Quinn acts as an extension of Kelly and his ace-in-the-hole relative to player contact in the off season.
I'm as critical of Kelly at times as just about anyone on the board... I applaud this move. Maneuvering his chess pieces in a way to get around the NCAA and it's a thing of beauty.
Y'all are smarter than that, come on. Think outside of the box boys.
Y'all are smarter than that, come on. Think outside of the box boys.
Epititus is not smarter than that.
Epititus is not smarter than that.
There is a reason that the NCAA restricts access. They want to limit "competitive advantage". southern cal got popped for an extra coach who was deemed to deliver that advantage due to his experience. I hope that Quinn has some level of S&C experience if the NCAA comes knocking. If he doesn't it could get sticky. Also, if he lacks the experience then the players are being shorted a trainer.
Right now we are staring down the barrel of the NCAA possibly vacating wins due to academic inelligibility. This is a nonsense move if the intent is for Quinn to teach the offense and imo could possibly be a violation if he crosses the S&C line....
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Kelly isn't going to take that risk. Quin appears to be a "hard ass" and Kelly wants him around the team as much as possible. Don't think he is going to be teaching the offense. Coach Kelly isn't going to risk getting canned after signing a multi million dollar extension.
kelly could cure your mental illness, give you a billion dollars and you would still find something to be critical about. get some help.
I would rather send JQ on the road to scout up some DE's; scour the high schools for those 3*'s that will develop into 5*'ish talents.
Perse,
The reality of the situation is that Notre Dame doesn't need to find a ton of diamond's in the rough, nor do they need to land 5 star DL every year in order to develop a very good defensive line. All they need is 3, 4 star DL each year, mixing in 3 stars they feel are underrated and 5 stars when they have a shot.
Notre Dame should be able to do that. Unfortunately, at times they pass on regional kids that are pretty damn solid, for kids that are a reach both in terms of fit and academics, and it burns them.
The class they just landed with Julian Okwara, Khalid Kareem, Ade Ogundegi and Daelin Hayes is perfectly acceptable in terms of quality. If they can land two interior guys of that quality this year and another defensive end or two, they simply need to keep repeating that recruiting method and after 3-4 cycles depth will emerge and so will talent. The entire defensive recruiting bothers me for that reason. Hopefully it will become stabilized. Year-after-year ND restocks its offensive weapons appropriately, but always misses at positions on defense. If you ever want to hope to compete with an Ohio State or an Alabama over the long term you need to start by being consistent on the recruiting trail.
The reality of the situation is that Notre Dame doesn't need to find a ton of diamond's in the rough, nor do they need to land 5 star DL every year in order to develop a very good defensive line. All they need is 3, 4 star DL each year, mixing in 3 stars they feel are underrated and 5 stars when they have a shot.
Notre Dame should be able to do that. Unfortunately, at times they pass on regional kids that are pretty damn solid, for kids that are a reach both in terms of fit and academics, and it burns them.
The class they just landed with Julian Okwara, Khalid Kareem, Ade Ogundegi and Daelin Hayes is perfectly acceptable in terms of quality. If they can land two interior guys of that quality this year and another defensive end or two, they simply need to keep repeating that recruiting method and after 3-4 cycles depth will emerge and so will talent. The entire defensive recruiting bothers me for that reason. Hopefully it will become stabilized. Year-after-year ND restocks its offensive weapons appropriately, but always misses at positions on defense. If you ever want to hope to compete with an Ohio State or an Alabama over the long term you need to start by being consistent on the recruiting trail.
Defense: to make matters worse, it really is not a great defensive recruiting class. I read on TOS that to date only 1 DE had visited or is scheduled to visit SB. Offense is recruiting at a playoff or near playoff (top 12) level; defense is recruiting in the area of 20-30 range (composite rating~.87 or 3 stars)
and good grief! there is already a thread on TOS about Injuries leaving ND thin at LB! after 1 practice!
and good grief! there is already a thread on TOS about Injuries leaving ND thin at LB! after 1 practice!
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On no... only 10 months till next signing day. Grumpy old man with dour attitude!
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looking at offers and recent CB's it is apparent that the defensive side of the ball itargets are dropping down the food chain in order to garner more interest. Having little success at the elite level the defensive recruitors are now at a lower tier. If defense wins championships, then....
I doubt that Notre Dame is ever going to land consecutive classes loaded with studs on defense, but they'll get their fair share of players and what's most important is that they land the QUALITY 3 star kids at the same time. The ones that you genuinely feel are underrated and have the opportunity to develop into 4 star (maybe even 5 star) talent. In the past Notre Dame chased the very top kids until they went elsewhere, then they filled their remaining spots at the last minute, with kids that had MAC offers. What you're seeing now is Notre Dame prioritize some of those 3 star kids that have the offers lists of 4 star kids. Expect another 6+ 3 star kids in 2017 class. I know you're smart enough to understand, however, that all 3 stars aren't made the same. If you're stealing a 3 star kid that is at the top of Virginia Tech or Maryland's list (Jalen Elliot for example), that's likely a much more promising player than a last minute offer to a regional kid... I also think ND will land 5+, 4 star players on defense, which is actually plenty, as long as they're primarily in the front 7 (where the major need is this year). It's all about stringing classes together to build depth. The defensive class will come together much slower because lot of the key targets will take a wait-and-see approach. If ND isn't in better shape with defensive recruiting come the fall, I'll be worried, until then, not so much. I expected them to be behind on the top kids on the defensive side of the ball. I also think you're going to see a high percentage of the offensive class locked up before the fall, which will allow greater staff attention to the other side of the ball.
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as Holtz said, you cannot rely on finding the diamond in the rough as a plan.
ND does need to land 2 front four impact players in this class. These are players that project as contributors as Fr. and starters as Sophs.
There is another factor in that indications are that neither BVG nor BVG's defense resonates with the prospects these days; regardless of the politically correct supportive statements by BK. The proof of the pudding....
Note that this idea is in context of the playoofs as the 'goal' .
If competing as a top 11-25 team is the new benchmark for success then the things as are seem on target.
ND does need to land 2 front four impact players in this class. These are players that project as contributors as Fr. and starters as Sophs.
There is another factor in that indications are that neither BVG nor BVG's defense resonates with the prospects these days; regardless of the politically correct supportive statements by BK. The proof of the pudding....
Note that this idea is in context of the playoofs as the 'goal' .
If competing as a top 11-25 team is the new benchmark for success then the things as are seem on target.
Speaking of that offensive class, I'm really pumped with how recruiting is going...
QB: Hendon Hooker (4 star)
QB / Slot: Avery Davis (4 star)
RB: A.J. Dillon (4 star)
WR: Tarik Black (4 star)
WR: Osiris St. Brown (4 star)
WR: Isaiah Robertson (4 star)
TE: Brock Wright (4 star)
TE: Cole Kmet (4 star)
OL: Josh Lugg (4 star)
OL: Dillan Gibbons (3/4 star)
OL: Trey Smith (4 star)
OL: Tyler Beach (4 star)
That would be an outstanding (and extremely reasonable) class on offense. I think ND will bring in about 10 on defense.
QB: Hendon Hooker (4 star)
QB / Slot: Avery Davis (4 star)
RB: A.J. Dillon (4 star)
WR: Tarik Black (4 star)
WR: Osiris St. Brown (4 star)
WR: Isaiah Robertson (4 star)
TE: Brock Wright (4 star)
TE: Cole Kmet (4 star)
OL: Josh Lugg (4 star)
OL: Dillan Gibbons (3/4 star)
OL: Trey Smith (4 star)
OL: Tyler Beach (4 star)
That would be an outstanding (and extremely reasonable) class on offense. I think ND will bring in about 10 on defense.
Perse,
Competing for the playoff is the new reality for about 125 of the 128 FBS teams. Right now there are maybe 2-3 schools doing it at another level where their expectation can legitimately be "Championship or bust".
Competing for the playoff is the new reality for about 125 of the 128 FBS teams. Right now there are maybe 2-3 schools doing it at another level where their expectation can legitimately be "Championship or bust".
the real NC 'league' is a short list.
Bama, LSU, tOSU, FSU, USC (when things get sorted out) are a league of their own
then Clemson,UGA UM, UF
The hope is always that intra-league play will eliminate a few of those contenders to open spots for the 'outsiders'
Also weak schedules can create 'pretenders'.
Bama, LSU, tOSU, FSU, USC (when things get sorted out) are a league of their own
then Clemson,UGA UM, UF
The hope is always that intra-league play will eliminate a few of those contenders to open spots for the 'outsiders'
Also weak schedules can create 'pretenders'.
There is no reason why ND can't compete in the 2nd tier or schools you named... I actually think you need to expand that list to include the likes of Notre Dame, Stanford and Oregon... You're being exceptionally biased in inserting Michigan to that list after they've been a dumpster fire for several years, because of one quality year under Harbaugh. How can you add UM to that list and neglect to add a team that has been as successful as Oregon over the past decade?.. I feel that it's probably because they don't fit the recruiting narrative?
I know you've been sour about ND of late, and I understand your frustration.. But I think that last statement was a little bit extreme.
What has Georgia done? Mark RIcht got fired because they've be routinely underwhelming. Michigan is on their 3rd coach in what 7 years? Notre Dame lost (on the road) on a failed to 2-point conversion to Clemson. It's not like ND can't play with that team.
I know you've been sour about ND of late, and I understand your frustration.. But I think that last statement was a little bit extreme.
What has Georgia done? Mark RIcht got fired because they've be routinely underwhelming. Michigan is on their 3rd coach in what 7 years? Notre Dame lost (on the road) on a failed to 2-point conversion to Clemson. It's not like ND can't play with that team.
UGA on gobs of talent.
UM a/c of Harbaugh and defensive recruiting. They are also off to a good start for '17
Stanford and Or. are in the second group but really if USC gets the ship righted then that is the PAC rep.
ND is not getting the defensive talent to be "expected" to contend; only a season ('12) where all goes in favor: breaks, injuries and luck is the 'hope'.
I think that Looking at ND/Clemson in '15, think Alydar/Affirmed
He'll never include nd until kelly is gone. Just another uneducated post.
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Perse,
I think we can both agree adding David Adams is a nice defensive addition. ND will likely need 3-4 quality linebackers this year and Adams is a good start. I really hope he goes to work on Paris Ford. He's among my most coveted defensive backs in the 2017 class.
I think we can both agree adding David Adams is a nice defensive addition. ND will likely need 3-4 quality linebackers this year and Adams is a good start. I really hope he goes to work on Paris Ford. He's among my most coveted defensive backs in the 2017 class.
DA is a good player. But, at 6'1 and 220ish (probably play at ND at 235-245) he is reminisent of the LBer type that we saw a few years ago with Carlo and Fox. Solid, but not elite athleticism. It will all depend on who he is on the field alongside. Your word: "nice" pickup is about it; but not knock your socks off news. ND needs min 2 'knock your socks off" defensive front 7 pickups in this class.
Anyone that objectively follows recruiting, and especially ND recruiting, sees the defensive recruiting gap between ND and the teams who are the perennial NC contenders. Only the 'subshine pumpers' miss this recruiting trend.
Again, it all comes down to expectations. If you argue that ND is seriously relevant to the championship race then ND needs to seriously improve the D recruiting. ND needs to do on D what it has done on the offensive side.
If 9-3 and a good bowl will suffice, then ND is on pace.
Anyone that objectively follows recruiting, and especially ND recruiting, sees the defensive recruiting gap between ND and the teams who are the perennial NC contenders. Only the 'subshine pumpers' miss this recruiting trend.
Again, it all comes down to expectations. If you argue that ND is seriously relevant to the championship race then ND needs to seriously improve the D recruiting. ND needs to do on D what it has done on the offensive side.
If 9-3 and a good bowl will suffice, then ND is on pace.
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you couldn't be more wrong as usual. adams has significantly more athleticism than the former players you cited. who decides " knock your socks off " ? you ? hilarious. nd has always had trouble recruiting elite d-lineman. few have been able to qualify. you call some posters "sunshine pumpers ", you're the polar opposite.
David Adams is a top 100 linebacker, ranked in the Top 4 at his position. What more do you want? He's 6'1-6'2 and will play right around 240lbs...
2016 Starting linebackers of a similar size or smaller...
Alabama
Reggie Ragland: 6'2, 250lbs
Reuben Foster: 6'1, 240lbs
Clemson
Ben Boulware: 5'11, 235lbs
Travis Blanks: 6'0, 210lbs
B.J. Goodson: 6'0, 240lbs
Oklahoma
Dominique Alexander: 6'2, 229lbs
Michigan State
Riley Bullough: 6'2, 230lbs
John Reschke: 6'2, 230lbs
Darien Harris: 6'0, 220lbs
Of the 12 total linebackers that started in the playoffs this past year (Alabama plays a 3-4, and Oklahoma plays a 4-2-5) 9 of the 12 linebackers were the same size or smaller (sometimes significantly so) than David Adams. The only team that plays a defense that had more than one linebacker that was bigger than Adams was Alabama and again, they play a 3-4, much like ND did under Diaco, which requires larger backers that can take on uncovered guards because of the 3-man front. They trade sideline-to-sideline speed for power, given that they are spread out further.
Furthermore, here is the rivals rankings for each of the 9 linebackers. I chose rivals because although I would have preferred 247's composite, unfortunately, it wasn't around when all of the upperclassmen were in high school.
Star ratings for 2015-2016 College Football Playoff Linebackers compared to David Adams.
David Adams: 4 stars. #4 LB, 5.9 rating, national rank #100.
Riley Bullough: 3 stars, #57 LB, 5.7 rating, national rank N/A.
Darien Harris: 3 stars, #35 LB, 5.7 rating, national rank N/A.
John Reschke: 4 stars, #14 LB, 5.9 rating, national rank 149.
Ben Boulware: 4 stars, #8 LB, 5.8 rating, national 207.
Travis Blanks: 4 stars, #4 S, 6.0 rating, national 60.
B.J. Goodson: 3 stars, N/A LB, 5.6 rating, national N/A.
Dominique Alexander: 3 stars, #43 LB, 5.7 rating, national #43.
Reggie Ragland: 4 stars, #1 LB, 6.0 rating, national #43.
Reuben Foster: 5 stars, #1LB, 6.1 rating, national #13.
Alright, so we already established that Adams was roughly the same size of 9 of the starting 12 linebackers in the 2015 college football playoffs, and that only 1 linebacker from a 4-3, or a 4-2-5 was bigger than him. Now we look at the recruiting rankings and we find that only 3 of the 9 players, Foster, Ragland and Blanks were rated above him, and Blanks was a safety, who I remind you is still playing at 6'0, 210lbs.
Care to explain how landing guys like David Adams (top 100 players with quality size) is not going to help us compete for a spot in the playoffs, and, therefore, the national championship?
I spent a few minutes putting that together. I'd sincerely appreciate a quality response if you don't mind. Thank you.
2016 Starting linebackers of a similar size or smaller...
Alabama
Reggie Ragland: 6'2, 250lbs
Reuben Foster: 6'1, 240lbs
Clemson
Ben Boulware: 5'11, 235lbs
Travis Blanks: 6'0, 210lbs
B.J. Goodson: 6'0, 240lbs
Oklahoma
Dominique Alexander: 6'2, 229lbs
Michigan State
Riley Bullough: 6'2, 230lbs
John Reschke: 6'2, 230lbs
Darien Harris: 6'0, 220lbs
Of the 12 total linebackers that started in the playoffs this past year (Alabama plays a 3-4, and Oklahoma plays a 4-2-5) 9 of the 12 linebackers were the same size or smaller (sometimes significantly so) than David Adams. The only team that plays a defense that had more than one linebacker that was bigger than Adams was Alabama and again, they play a 3-4, much like ND did under Diaco, which requires larger backers that can take on uncovered guards because of the 3-man front. They trade sideline-to-sideline speed for power, given that they are spread out further.
Furthermore, here is the rivals rankings for each of the 9 linebackers. I chose rivals because although I would have preferred 247's composite, unfortunately, it wasn't around when all of the upperclassmen were in high school.
Star ratings for 2015-2016 College Football Playoff Linebackers compared to David Adams.
David Adams: 4 stars. #4 LB, 5.9 rating, national rank #100.
Riley Bullough: 3 stars, #57 LB, 5.7 rating, national rank N/A.
Darien Harris: 3 stars, #35 LB, 5.7 rating, national rank N/A.
John Reschke: 4 stars, #14 LB, 5.9 rating, national rank 149.
Ben Boulware: 4 stars, #8 LB, 5.8 rating, national 207.
Travis Blanks: 4 stars, #4 S, 6.0 rating, national 60.
B.J. Goodson: 3 stars, N/A LB, 5.6 rating, national N/A.
Dominique Alexander: 3 stars, #43 LB, 5.7 rating, national #43.
Reggie Ragland: 4 stars, #1 LB, 6.0 rating, national #43.
Reuben Foster: 5 stars, #1LB, 6.1 rating, national #13.
Alright, so we already established that Adams was roughly the same size of 9 of the starting 12 linebackers in the 2015 college football playoffs, and that only 1 linebacker from a 4-3, or a 4-2-5 was bigger than him. Now we look at the recruiting rankings and we find that only 3 of the 9 players, Foster, Ragland and Blanks were rated above him, and Blanks was a safety, who I remind you is still playing at 6'0, 210lbs.
Care to explain how landing guys like David Adams (top 100 players with quality size) is not going to help us compete for a spot in the playoffs, and, therefore, the national championship?
I spent a few minutes putting that together. I'd sincerely appreciate a quality response if you don't mind. Thank you.
IIO, you may be waiting a while for a quality response........This is a high quality pick-up for the Irish but it probably doesn't fit with the we can't recruit defensive players narrative.........I actually like the depth we are building in the defensive line and how we stocked up this past recruiting class on the back end of the defense. I liked your comment that this is how you build a defense with depth and I think we are getting to the point where we will be able to recruit specific spots like we are excelling at on the offensive side. I'm a lot more cautious with BVG than I was when he was first hired so it's up to him to deliver the results this year that will be the difference in our next recruiting class.
well, the best response I can make is that the play does not support your argument. Message board statement are conjecture, but the real answers are on the field of play.
I also saw where you ignored the part where I said his effectiveness will depend upon who lines up alongside him. The Bama LB corp line up behind and alongside a bevy of other elite sthletes.
As for the D-L; no proven impact players. A couple with potential. You cannot make it different no matter how many times you say it is not a weakness.
I also saw where you ignored the part where I said his effectiveness will depend upon who lines up alongside him. The Bama LB corp line up behind and alongside a bevy of other elite sthletes.
As for the D-L; no proven impact players. A couple with potential. You cannot make it different no matter how many times you say it is not a weakness.
good luck. adams is very similar to luke kuechly at the same point in time. i coached against luke and i see many of the same qualities in adams.
Beat me to it. Perse would have pooh-poohed this guy too! And Perse, we've been to the National Championship game. And last year we lost to three teams who fineshed in the top five! To say we don't belong in the conversation is just flat wrong. Kelly is building a program. And we may not be with OSU and Alabama recruiting wise. We are respectable and we keep more of our kids for four-five years. that is our model.
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/maple/77511
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/maple/77511
last sentence, sums it up.
and "losing to Top 5" teams is now a plus on the resume?
and "losing to Top 5" teams is now a plus on the resume?
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Perse, you mean like:
Josh Barajas 4* 5.8
Asmar Bilal 4* 5.8
Tevon Coney 4* 5.9
Nyles Morgan 4* 5.9
James Onwualu 4* 5.8
Seems this list more than stands up to IIO's well researched list!
Rochelle 4* 5.9
Tillery 4* 5.9
Jones 4* 5.8
Trumbetti 3* 5.7
That is only one 3* in the front seven! MSU's defense has done much much more with less star power. If we have a problem on D it is with the d coordinator. IMO.
Tillery 4* 5.9
Jones 4* 5.8
Trumbetti 3* 5.7
That is only one 3* in the front seven! MSU's defense has done much much more with less star power. If we have a problem on D it is with the d coordinator. IMO.
So if for argument sake Adams is part of a linebacking core that lines up...
OLB: Daelin Hayes (6'3, 255lbs), 5 star, #7 linebacker, 6.1 rating, #32 national.
ILB David Adams (6'1.5, 240lbs), 4 star, #4 linebacker, 5.9 rating, #100 national.
OLB Te'von Coney (6,1, 235lbs), 4 star, #6 linebacker, 5.9 rating, #118 national.
Bench
Asmar Bilal (6'2, 235lbs), 4 star, #17 linebacker, 5.8 rating, #246 national.
Joshua Barajas (6'2, 240lbs) 4 star, #13 linebacker, 5.8, #180 national.
Again, go back and look at the numbers of the heights and weights of the linebackers listed on the playoff teams last year, and there recruiting rankings. Compare those to Notre Dame's current linebackers (not counting any additional players ND lands in the 2017 class along with Adams). I must certainly be missing something relative to where ND is lacking?
OLB: Daelin Hayes (6'3, 255lbs), 5 star, #7 linebacker, 6.1 rating, #32 national.
ILB David Adams (6'1.5, 240lbs), 4 star, #4 linebacker, 5.9 rating, #100 national.
OLB Te'von Coney (6,1, 235lbs), 4 star, #6 linebacker, 5.9 rating, #118 national.
Bench
Asmar Bilal (6'2, 235lbs), 4 star, #17 linebacker, 5.8 rating, #246 national.
Joshua Barajas (6'2, 240lbs) 4 star, #13 linebacker, 5.8, #180 national.
Again, go back and look at the numbers of the heights and weights of the linebackers listed on the playoff teams last year, and there recruiting rankings. Compare those to Notre Dame's current linebackers (not counting any additional players ND lands in the 2017 class along with Adams). I must certainly be missing something relative to where ND is lacking?
For the record, trust me, I wanted Ben Davis, Caleb Kelly and Jeff McCollough just as bad as you did, but it's not like ND's future at linebacker is anywhere approaching dire and if they're coached properly, there is more-than-enough talent alone to put ND into the playoff conversation.
I will always concede that our DL recruiting has been underwhelming, particularly with the issues we've had with DE's transferring or not qualifying. I do think ND got 3 good ones this past year though and I'm looking for the Irish to land 2 nice interior players this year and at least 1 highly sought after pass-rushing DE as well. I think they should take 4 DL total in 2017.
I will always concede that our DL recruiting has been underwhelming, particularly with the issues we've had with DE's transferring or not qualifying. I do think ND got 3 good ones this past year though and I'm looking for the Irish to land 2 nice interior players this year and at least 1 highly sought after pass-rushing DE as well. I think they should take 4 DL total in 2017.
