I think its completely shortsighted to judge how a coach treats any player based on the 3 and a half hours we get to see on Saturday. coaches spend 20 hours a week with players. they know them best. crist had a bit of success at nd but always seemed to go south when adversity struck which it almost always does in the course of a game. he wasn't very successful at two places for two different coaches including the one who recruited him. that's all I need to know. he had lots of opportunities. if he needed to have everything around him to be perfect in order for him to perform well he wasn't going to be very productive anyway as that rarely happens.
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If you were to look at his games in 2010 with a 4 - 3 record His numbers were good to excellent. Maybe you missed the adversity in the Michigan and MSU game which were lost due to the defense. He was very productive through the air and on the ground until his injury.
As far as Kansas it was a train wreck before he got there
Well maybe if coach Kelly doesn't pull Crist as he drove to the goal line for a cold QB off the bench then maybe Crist would of scored
You speak of horrible pick as if Crist was the only QB guilty of that in the Kelly era at ND
Now which Michigan game you talking about? the one where Crist went 13/25 for 277 yards and 2 TD's with an INT I also did mention the rushing TD he had in that game as well, or the Big number he put up in the MSU game as well.
"and what does other QB's have to do with DC choking in some big games?" Maybe because every QB coach Kelly has coach (aside from MZ) HAS CHOKED IN SOME BIG GAMES that's why. It wasn't just Crist
Oh yea bad TO when games were on the line? How is that any different from Rees or Golson?
At Kansas the personnel was no where the caliber as that as ND GEEZ!
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So Penn
So Crist was the only QB guilty of int's , or fumbles at ND, or is it only the USF ones that count?
I guess you had your head in the sand the past 3 yrs
Maybe the Kelly lovers should not bring down one while the others were just as guilty
Again, DIP, we are talking DC
If he was so good, why didn't he get a sniff from the NFL? Jeez, 2nd and 3rd stringers from USC and FSU did!
If he was so good, why didn't he get a sniff from the NFL? Jeez, 2nd and 3rd stringers from USC and FSU did!
Lol he did get a sniff. The Ravens had him on their practice squad.
I know we are talking about Crist. I never said he would have been NFL good but his shortcomings far less than other ND QB'S on the roster and his faults were no more
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I know we are talking about Crist. I never said he would have been NFL good but his shortcomings far less than other ND QB'S on the roster and his faults were no more
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FIP
there were/are many talented kids who for some reasons do not pan out; it can be career management, coaching and or coaching changes, injury; Mitch Mustain as example. Those that pan out are very few.
DC was a good decent kid; he carried himself with great dignity; even when Kelly was over the top in his face he took it; he did not disrespect him with a smirk and walk away.
there were/are many talented kids who for some reasons do not pan out; it can be career management, coaching and or coaching changes, injury; Mitch Mustain as example. Those that pan out are very few.
DC was a good decent kid; he carried himself with great dignity; even when Kelly was over the top in his face he took it; he did not disrespect him with a smirk and walk away.
He was signed to practice squad through preseason games
Kind of a little sniff, for sure - certainly justifies your defense of him
NOT
Get a bigger shovel
Kind of a little sniff, for sure - certainly justifies your defense of him
NOT
Get a bigger shovel
Wow and his replacement did so much better in the NFL lol
I'm not sure what the shovel comment means
I'm not sure what the shovel comment means
JJ is one player I'm really looking forward to see in action this coming season. He can be freakish good.
Bodizephax
I've posted how many times?
So you are bragging about his tryout with the Ravens? Seriously?
His replacement won more games at ND.....can give a shit what they do afterwards
Get a bigger shovel
His replacement won more games at ND.....can give a shit what they do afterwards
Get a bigger shovel
Listen 756
I'm not bragging about anything. I simply stated Crist was no worse then anyone on the bench. His 2010 season proved that
You throughout the USF game as if that was some sort of litmus test. I can give you a dozon games at a minimum where his replacement chocked even worse.
You make a rediclous comment in regards to the 2010 Michigan game when in fact it was Crist who brought the Irish back after Kellys experiment with Rees and Montana.
The ONLY reason Rees had more victories was because he had coach Kelly in his corner
And if you dont "give a shit" what they did after then why did you bring it up and I quote ""if he was so good why didn't he get a sniff from the NFL"
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I'm not bragging about anything. I simply stated Crist was no worse then anyone on the bench. His 2010 season proved that
You throughout the USF game as if that was some sort of litmus test. I can give you a dozon games at a minimum where his replacement chocked even worse.
You make a rediclous comment in regards to the 2010 Michigan game when in fact it was Crist who brought the Irish back after Kellys experiment with Rees and Montana.
The ONLY reason Rees had more victories was because he had coach Kelly in his corner
And if you dont "give a shit" what they did after then why did you bring it up and I quote ""if he was so good why didn't he get a sniff from the NFL"
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Wow DIP, you are confusing yourself....but I understand as you do the same to others
I answered your assertion about his NFL playing abilities, you brought it up initially, and then several times after, as your justification that he was better for ND. Except you have not shown where his performance at ND was worthy. On the contrary, I showed you several examples where he was unable to make the play that changed the momentum of the game. So BK went with a gamer who didn't have near as much ability, but certainly has the respect of the team for his mental toughness. In short, you like the kid, which is understandable, but you fail to articulate where that shows he executed.
You refuse to acknowledge that the coaching staff saw the chinks in DC's armor well before us fans....nor do you acknowledge that DC, as good as a kid that he was, also whined for Charlie....
So find a "point" and stick to it
I answered your assertion about his NFL playing abilities, you brought it up initially, and then several times after, as your justification that he was better for ND. Except you have not shown where his performance at ND was worthy. On the contrary, I showed you several examples where he was unable to make the play that changed the momentum of the game. So BK went with a gamer who didn't have near as much ability, but certainly has the respect of the team for his mental toughness. In short, you like the kid, which is understandable, but you fail to articulate where that shows he executed.
You refuse to acknowledge that the coaching staff saw the chinks in DC's armor well before us fans....nor do you acknowledge that DC, as good as a kid that he was, also whined for Charlie....
So find a "point" and stick to it
Gee, another thread which gets hijacked. Go figure.
I am looking forward to seeing Jarron Jones this season also. Also looking forward to a mods on this board to clean it up!
I am looking forward to seeing Jarron Jones this season also. Also looking forward to a mods on this board to clean it up!
that was a poor attempt at sarcasm john.
Sorry
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Sorry
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