No it wasn't a mistake at all. The call was fine, the read by Riley was terrible and the throw to Mitchell was even worse. You expect your experienced QB not to make that kind of mistake. Mitchell was open and Collins was also open. Calling it a horrible call is just Monday morning quarterbacking, because the execution was atrocious
It's been said and I'll say it again the 2nd and 1 play call was absolutely HORRIBLE
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Right, exactly, because computers don't care about winning. They don't care about anything. They're not alive, they have no sense of self-preservation. An algorithm with a utility function or whatnot is not the same thing as living, breathing human being fighting for his survival, with all his mental/emotional faculties at his disposal. And everyone's already familiar with Chat GPT's 'hallucinations'.
But who knows, maybe computers will one day be able to account for all of that, and there's an algorithmic fix for every last possible contingency.
Not at that point of the game you don't. Bad play call. Even worse throw
No....
It's simply this...
Just because someone bears the title "coach" doesn't mean they're any good at it.
Doesn't even mean they're average at it.
In our case...might likely mean they're BAD at it.
it was second and one at your forty.you run the ball.youonly need two first downs and the clock will run out.Denbrock should have been upstairs calling the play . also get a kicker who can punt the ball 45yards with hang time.the irish wern,t outplayed. they were OUTCOACHED>
But hes your golden boy. Reilly the dude with so much talent/potential, LOL. Are you going to continue to tell us he how great he is? Or admit once in your fricking life that you were wrong and the guy stinks
He does have talent/potential. It's 2 games into the season. 1 solid game. 1 terrible game.
Is the season over? Are we forfeiting the rest of the season?
I didn't hear that yet
Mike Denbrock is not to blame.
Blame Riley Leonard. All on him.
If you are going to miss, do not miss short.
I blame Denbrock and Riley
Bad call. Awful throw
2nd at 1 at the 50 with the lead and the clock moving. Get the first down
And if the result of that second down and one play is a Touchdown, you would never say after the game...... "bad call..."
The only reason you do is because Riley Leonard missed bad.
Totally disagree, he had 2 open receivers. It was an absolute misread and a terrible throw by an experienced QB. Both Collins and Mitchell were open, you take your shot, but obviously execute much better.
I'll say one thing; I've always supported Marcus, but if Riley was in fact hurt enough where we couldn't run him after the 1st QTR, then not going to Angeli in that game is inexcusable and makes me think Marcus actually IS in over his head.
He ran the ball in the 2nd quarter and gave the ball on a zone read in the 4th.
Edit: I don’t believe he ran in the second. I was mistaken.
He was clearly limited in the running game, now we know why. So my point holds
He sucked in College Station. Just didn't lose the game.
He sucked against NIU
He sucked at Durham
Riley is a lousy QB.
Period!
P.s.
He's the perfect QB for a school like NIU.
speaking of NIU...
I'd take their QB over Riley all day long and twice on Saturday
So he's injured as you said later but you wanted him sitting in the pocket throwing a deep ball on 2nd and 1 at the 50 when we're trying to ice the game. Hand the ball off, use the clock, get your first down and let the defense get some rest
Caleb Williams averaged 7 yards of offense per game more in 2023 than Leonard did in 2022. He didn’t suck at Durham and he didn’t suck at A&M.
Coaching from a chair, after the game, is the easy part.
In the stadium, in the moment, second and one, I do not fault Mike Denbrock at all.
And I won't tomorrow.
I will. We were all screaming about the call where I was watching the game. And about the throw
Everyone was like what the hell are we thinking going deep at that point. And what the hell kind of a throw was that
Both were ripped to shreds
So I don't want to hear you complaining about 10 men on the field anymore or of it happens again.
Easier to coach away from the game
Perhaps you're on the hook for his NIL money?
Or...
Perhaps...
Your passing game expectations are that low?
He's great for Bucknell. IUP.
William and Mary
He sucks for ND ...or any school with post season aspirations.
Thread 'Riley Leonard before Notre Dame...'
https://notredame.forums.rivals.com/threads/riley-leonard-before-notre-dame.192333/
"Solid game?" Really, are you fricking serious? Your BFF has ZERO TD passes, ranked 110th at 18.5pts per game, passing efficiency is ranked 130th, and 5.1 yards per pass attempt. He's solid as a rock, LMFAO. I mean a marshmallow
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Totally disagree; there was nothing inherently wrong with the play call, there was everything wrong with the execution of it. So we'll agree to disagree
If Riley Leonard was hurt, and could not run. The fact Freeman left him in the game, makes him SOLEY responsible for this loss. Riley Leonard with no ability to run, is far and away the worst QB on the roster. The reason ND has had 3 of these horrific losses in 2 seasons and 3 games is, because this Head Coach is clueless. A deep shot on 2nd & 1 is a fine call, but throwing the ball deep with a busted QB is coaching malpractice of the highest order.
I know, all you gotta do is take him out, and put him back in when he's better, vs Purdue, vs whoever. You don't have to permanently switch to Angeli. The point being, as you seem to allude to, there would be no need or call for any loyalty to, of all people, this newcomer, this transfer QB, as if his presence is some specific reflection on you, and so you're going to be loath to ever take him out. When of course such hesitation could be easily to the detriment of the team.
That's pure psychologizing on my part, but good god, I sure hope that's not where MF finds himself. You have to be strong enough as a HC, in the brave new world of free transfers and NIL money, to make a big investment and bring in a sought-after QB, but still be willing to bench him as needed for the good of the team, and by extension yourself, if the circumstances dictate, in this case merely a minor injury. And permanently or indefinitely if need be. And not let it feel as if it's your failure and let it cloud your judgement or affect your leadership.
How do you know that exact quote wasn’t said into Riley’s headset pre snap? Not forcing it in that situation should be common sense for a qb with as much experience as Riley.
If we didn't have a QB with a noodle arm, he hits him in stride for a huge gain or maybe even a TD.
It’s not my NIL or passing game expectations, I’m just very familiar with Leonard’s body of work and not throwing in the towel off of one game.
Where were you posting all of this stuff in the offseason or at least after the A&M game?
Yeah he was solid. He won on the road with a below average OL and had a QBR of 66. That is above average. He was solid. No turnovers ran well. Solid game 1. Awful game 2
Agreed Game 1 was solid (he also had 12 carries for 63 yds). But if the struggles continue Saturday, I hope they're willing to make a QB change at halftime, if needed.
Let me distill it this way...decision are typically made by:
1) plotting a curve through N dimensions in a graph for best fit...gives odds of outcome.
2) so called neural network...paths of outcomes based on how many factors in each layer.
Another way to explain it is you can use statistics to record throwing a football and where it will land. Get the variables on each throw. AI will do a solid job of predicting where the ball lands.
But statistical confidence factor is not the laws of physics. The laws of physics will predict EXACTLY where the football will land. The usual correlation vs causality.
Of course, AI can use the laws of physics...but without the laws, well, you use regressions or neural networks.
I know this thread is about the play call........ I haven't read through all the posts but I didn't see anything on the fact with this play it didn't involve play action. Second and one, and you don't use PA. It would have sucked the lbs more making greathouse even easier to see, and possibly the safety more probably making riley feel like he had more room to launch it. I still put 95% of the fault on riley for this play, but to not use PA in this instance was stupid. If you didn't trust the line to block a PA pass, then don't throw a pass at all on 2nd and 1.
I can not believe we lost this game with 2nd and one at midfield with 5 minutes to go and leading. 2-3 first downs rushing wins it without scoring.
I can not believe we lost this game with 2nd and one at midfield with 5 minutes to go and leading. 2-3 first downs rushing wins it without scoring.
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