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Notre Dame should've been in the game in 4th qtr

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This loss is due to many things, top of the list, Brian Kelly, Ian Book, Jack Swarbick, Rest of team

Jack and Big 10 officials:

You might have missed it, but we got screwed again. They gave us the horrible PI that led to the ND TD but they gave it back in spades the following drive with 2 PI calls, the one on Pride technically is but is the ticky tacky grabbing that happens on every play. The 2nd one was as bad as ours. Call it a wash. Michigan DB's grab on every play. not unique. But more important was the noncalls for holding. We have 3 DE's who will play in the NFL and ZERO holding calls for a very average O-Line. 2 UM TD drives in 1st half aided by noncalls. 1st UM TD drive when they got long run you can see when RB gets behind safety who can't turn and chase because he is being held and safety snaps away when WR lets go after RB is behind him. Still would've been a 1st down but they still would've had half the field to go to score. Maybe they do.
The 2nd UM TD drive was worse. Two plays in a row Patterson rolls out to same side and ND DE can't chase as the tackle is holding him and you see him snap away as Tackle lets go after QB is past him. this was @nd and long and 3rd and long. Patterson scrambled past for 3 yds 1st time and 2nd time completed a pass for 1st dwon. Odds are this is a punt if they call either one when they should've called both.
These are just the ones I saw and I don't see everything. It IS NOT
Then ND gets illegal lineman downfield. The guy was clearly only 2 yds past line of scrimmage. And we had 1st and 10 on their 12 yd line. That is a FG at minimum and maybe a TD.

We should've been down 10-3 or 10-7 at half if we score and they call any one of multiple holding calls.

THANKS JACK. THIS IS ON YOU BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE GET BIG 10 officials against BIG 10 teams especially UM and AT UM. This game meant more to the BIG 10 as a whole than UM since their conference has zero OOC victories worth anything. I could see this coming a mile away. The Big 10 should be sending Swarbick a thank you card.

Call the 2 horrible PI's for both sides a wash and ND should've been in it going into the 4th. Even as horrible as Book and some others were. Patterson only completed his 1st big pass play when we were forced to sell out to stop the run early in 4th quarter. We and they aren't playing the same with different scenario.

BRIAN Kelly:

You got outcoached by Harbaugh who is awful. The tone was set for this game when UM decided to sell out to stop the run and we didn't. That 2 TE was worth crap if we aren't going to slip a TE out once in a while. It only made it easier for UM to bring everyone on D into the box. Announcers kept saying they dominated the line of scrimmage. Our O-line didn't play that poorly we were outschemed. UM's D players weren't shedding block to make tackles, they out numbered us at the point of attack. There was always one or 2 unblocked/unaccounted for guys waiting to make the play. SCHEME.
And I said it a thousand times. That RPO (which we never run as a true RPO) sucks. Bad teams can stop it when they sell out to stop the run. Whenever Book holds the ball out to the RB, it is a run, we never throw out of it, so it is not a true RPO, and 90% OR MORE of the time Book never keeps it. So it is just a stupid run to the TB where the defenders have more momentum hitting the line of scrimmage than the RB does.
RPO … handoff to RB on 1st down leads to 2nd and long …. same thing again leads to 3rd and long. If you run blitz every time you see Book hold the ball out it is a very long day for ND and now the only time we pass is on obvious passing down. Garbage game plan BK.

IAN BOOK:

He was garbage. Missed open receivers, happy feet … AGAIN. Just awful. NEWSFLASH! …. This is who Ian Book is. He's decent and capable of good games but he is also capable of these stinkers and usually against better competition. If you want to compete with the Big Boys you need someone better. Have fun beating the patsies. And I hate to say this but I don't think Jurkovec is any better. He is ok but not the answer.
Once again it looks like QB getting worse under BK, Book looks worse and Jurkovec doesn't look better either. BK's record at developing QB's at ND is batting 1.000. I love IIO's new coach thread. All mentioned have success running offense and developing QB's. Apparently BK sucks at it. I think our sample size is PLENTY big.
And yes folks, while we can't develop QB's you have to blame BK for having a QB coach with ZERO experience anywhere. AWESOME!

TEAM:

We turned it over twice to their zero. It matters. If we don't screw up that blocked punt we have the ball in FG range to start. We screw it up even further by Gilman committing PI on a 3rd and long for them when the UM Wr wasn't going to catch it anyway. Bad plays for us. There were other miscues of course, dropped passes. How many false starts? Again? Coaching can't clean that up at ND apparently. 2 weeks to prepare. There is a reason Kelly loses these games. It isn't a coincidence.

Like I said, This should've been a game going into the 4th Qtr. Then Jurkovec doesn't come into the game. Our 2nd stringers on D don't. They scored 21 of their points in 4th qtr when the game was over and we had given up by putting Jurkovec and other 2nd stringers in. The game would've played out differently. The point isn't we "would've won." The point is we should've had a chance to win. Swarbick and his Big 10 offficials made sure we stayed down and had no chance after the bad start.

These are almost the same 2 teams that played last year when we made them look terrible. Did they get better than us in a year with same guys? NO … Kelly's game plan sucked, Book has gotten worse under him and still doesn't have a QB coach, we played terrible that day, and had to do all of this in a monsoon with BIG 10 officials.

Even as bad as we played we still should've been in it. UM is not that good. We've lost to worse teams than this under Kelly.
 
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This loss is due to many things, top of the list, Brian Kelly, Ian Book, Jack Swarbick, Rest of team

Jack and Big 10 officials:

You might have missed it, but we got screwed again. They gave us the horrible PI that led to the ND TD but they gave it back in spades the following drive with 2 PI calls, the one on Pride technically is but is the ticky tacky grabbing that happens on every play. The 2nd one was as bad as ours. Call it a wash. Michigan DB's grab on every play. not unique. But more important was the noncalls for holding. We have 3 DE's who will play in the NFL and ZERO holding calls for a very average O-Line. 2 UM TD drives in 1st half aided by noncalls. 1st UM TD drive when they got long run you can see when RB gets behind safety who can't turn and chase because he is being held and safety snaps away when WR lets go after RB is behind him. Still would've been a 1st down but they still would've had half the field to go to score. Maybe they do.
The 2nd UM TD drive was worse. Two plays in a row Patterson rolls out to same side and ND DE can't chase as the tackle is holding him and you see him snap away as Tackle lets go after QB is past him. this was @nd and long and 3rd and long. Patterson scrambled past for 3 yds 1st time and 2nd time completed a pass for 1st dwon. Odds are this is a punt if they call either one when they should've called both.
These are just the ones I saw and I don't see everything. It IS NOT
Then ND gets illegal lineman downfield. The guy was clearly only 2 yds past line of scrimmage. And we had 1st and 10 on their 12 yd line. That is a FG at minimum and maybe a TD.

We should've been down 10-3 or 10-7 at half if we score and they call any one of multiple holding calls.

THANKS JACK. THIS IS ON YOU BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE GET BIG 10 officials against BIG 10 teams especially UM and AT UM. This game meant more to the BIG 10 as a whole than UM since their conference has zero OOC victories worth anything. I could see this coming a mile away. The Big 10 should be sending Swarbick a thank you card.

Call the 2 horrible PI's for both sides a wash and ND should've been in it going into the 4th. Even as horrible as Book and some others were. Patterson only completed his 1st big pass play when we were forced to sell out to stop the run early in 4th quarter. We and they aren't playing the same with different scenario.

BRIAN Kelly:

You got outcoached by Harbaugh who is awful. The tone was set for this game when UM decided to sell out to stop the run and we didn't. That 2 TE was worth crap if we aren't going to slip a TE out once in a while. It only made it easier for UM to bring everyone on D into the box. Announcers kept saying they dominated the line of scrimmage. Our O-line didn't play that poorly we were outschemed. UM's D players weren't shedding block to make tackles, they out numbered us at the point of attack. There was always one or 2 unblocked/unaccounted for guys waiting to make the play. SCHEME.
And I said it a thousand times. That RPO (which we never run as a true RPO) sucks. Bad teams can stop it when they sell out to stop the run. Whenever Book holds the ball out to the RB, it is a run, we never throw out of it, so it is not a true RPO, and 90% OR MORE of the time Book never keeps it. So it is just a stupid run to the TB where the defenders have more momentum hitting the line of scrimmage than the RB does.
RPO … handoff to RB on 1st down leads to 2nd and long …. same thing again leads to 3rd and long. If you run blitz every time you see Book hold the ball out it is a very long day for ND and now the only time we pass is on obvious passing down. Garbage game plan BK.

IAN BOOK:

He was garbage. Missed open receivers, happy feet … AGAIN. Just awful. NEWSFLASH! …. This is who Ian Book is. He's decent and capable of good games but he is also capable of these stinkers and usually against better competition. If you want to compete with the Big Boys you need someone better. Have fun beating the patsies. And I hate to say this but I don't think Jurkovec is any better. He is ok but not the answer.
Once again it looks like QB getting worse under BK, Book looks worse and Jurkovec doesn't look better either. BK's record at developing QB's at ND is batting 1.000. I love IIO's new coach thread. All mentioned have success running offense and developing QB's. Apparently BK sucks at it. I think our sample size is PLENTY big.
And yes folks, while we can't develop QB's you have to blame BK for having a QB coach with ZERO experience anywhere. AWESOME!

TEAM:

We turned it over twice to their zero. It matters. If we don't screw up that blocked punt we have the ball in FG range to start. We screw it up even further by Gilman committing PI on a 3rd and long for them when the UM Wr wasn't going to catch it anyway. Bad plays for us. There were other miscues of course, dropped passes. How many false starts? Again? Coaching can't clean that up at ND apparently. 2 weeks to prepare. There is a reason Kelly loses these games. It isn't a coincidence.

Like I said, This should've been a game going into the 4th Qtr. Then Jurkovec doesn't come into the game. Our 2nd stringers on D don't. They scored 21 of their points in 4th qtr when the game was over and we had given up by putting Jurkovec and other 2nd stringers in. The game would've played out differently. The point isn't we "would've won." The point is we should've had a chance to win. Swarbick and his Big 10 offficials made sure we stayed down and had no chance after the bad start.

These are almost the same 2 teams that played last year when we made them look terrible. Did they get better than us in a year with same guys? NO … Kelly's game plan sucked, Book has gotten worse under him and still doesn't have a QB coach, we played terrible that day, and had to do all of this in a monsoon with BIG 10 officials.

Even as bad as we played we still should've been in it. UM is not that good. We've lost to worse teams than this under Kelly.
Do you feel better now. 45-14
 
The timing and content of the OP is very interesting. Today I was looking at the polls. I felt like we didnt drop far enough and Michigan didn't rise high enough based on the outcome of the game. But after reading this post I would be willing to bet that others who do the polling probably took all of this into account as well. If you listen to the average schmuck sportscasters they are always praising Michigan but I would not be surprised to see the Wolves lose 2 or 3 of their last 4 games if they are refereed properly.
 
You'll never know if you could've won legit. A lot of us predicted this would happen. It wasn't hard.

May not be that good but we do know who was the better team on Saturday. Nothing else matters

Ok, we didn’t win legit. Still 45-14

And as far as last years game. Beat us by one score but you made us look bad.

Why don’t you accept the lost and quit making excuses. Move on to the next game and can decide this in 14 years
 
The timing and content of the OP is very interesting. Today I was looking at the polls. I felt like we didnt drop far enough and Michigan didn't rise high enough based on the outcome of the game. But after reading this post I would be willing to bet that others who do the polling probably took all of this into account as well. If you listen to the average schmuck sportscasters they are always praising Michigan but I would not be surprised to see the Wolves lose 2 or 3 of their last 4 games if they are refereed properly.
Refereed properly. It took a gift from the Gods for you to get your one legit score.
We did get abused by Wisconsin but no excuses were made. Probably out play PSU but they deserved the win (at their place), and yes based on what I have seen will lose to OSU. Schedule is tough and not always going to come out on top but you never know. Quit the excuses and accept that Michigan was the better team on Saturday.
 
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May not be that good but we do know who was the better team on Saturday. Nothing else matters

Ok, we didn’t win legit. Still 45-14

And as far as last years game. Beat us by one score but you made us look bad.

Why don’t you accept the lost and quit making excuses. Move on to the next game and can decide this in 14 years

Brain Kelly coached a terrible game last year. I've never seen a team sit on the ball for the whole 2nd half before and still win. Should've been a blow out score wise. I can accept losses when they're legit.

Funny how facts get termed excuses. It is what is. That's what happened.
 
Refereed properly. It took a gift from the Gods for you to get your one legit score.
We did get abused by Wisconsin but no excuses were made. Probably out play PSU but they deserved the win (at their place), and yes based on what I have seen will lose to OSU. Schedule is tough and not always going to come out on top but you never know. Quit the excuses and accept that Michigan was the better team on Saturday.

The officials gave the bad call back X2 the very next possession.

PSU sat on the ball and let you back in it. Should've been a blow out too.

Michigan was the better team for 1 half of football. Had the lead extended with the help of officials who made sure ND couldn't make a run. Then they put the cherry on top against the backups. Congrats.
 
This loss is due to many things, top of the list, Brian Kelly, Ian Book, Jack Swarbick, Rest of team

Jack and Big 10 officials:

You might have missed it, but we got screwed again. They gave us the horrible PI that led to the ND TD but they gave it back in spades the following drive with 2 PI calls, the one on Pride technically is but is the ticky tacky grabbing that happens on every play. The 2nd one was as bad as ours. Call it a wash. Michigan DB's grab on every play. not unique. But more important was the noncalls for holding. We have 3 DE's who will play in the NFL and ZERO holding calls for a very average O-Line. 2 UM TD drives in 1st half aided by noncalls. 1st UM TD drive when they got long run you can see when RB gets behind safety who can't turn and chase because he is being held and safety snaps away when WR lets go after RB is behind him. Still would've been a 1st down but they still would've had half the field to go to score. Maybe they do.
The 2nd UM TD drive was worse. Two plays in a row Patterson rolls out to same side and ND DE can't chase as the tackle is holding him and you see him snap away as Tackle lets go after QB is past him. this was @nd and long and 3rd and long. Patterson scrambled past for 3 yds 1st time and 2nd time completed a pass for 1st dwon. Odds are this is a punt if they call either one when they should've called both.
These are just the ones I saw and I don't see everything. It IS NOT
Then ND gets illegal lineman downfield. The guy was clearly only 2 yds past line of scrimmage. And we had 1st and 10 on their 12 yd line. That is a FG at minimum and maybe a TD.

We should've been down 10-3 or 10-7 at half if we score and they call any one of multiple holding calls.

THANKS JACK. THIS IS ON YOU BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE GET BIG 10 officials against BIG 10 teams especially UM and AT UM. This game meant more to the BIG 10 as a whole than UM since their conference has zero OOC victories worth anything. I could see this coming a mile away. The Big 10 should be sending Swarbick a thank you card.

Call the 2 horrible PI's for both sides a wash and ND should've been in it going into the 4th. Even as horrible as Book and some others were. Patterson only completed his 1st big pass play when we were forced to sell out to stop the run early in 4th quarter. We and they aren't playing the same with different scenario.

BRIAN Kelly:

You got outcoached by Harbaugh who is awful. The tone was set for this game when UM decided to sell out to stop the run and we didn't. That 2 TE was worth crap if we aren't going to slip a TE out once in a while. It only made it easier for UM to bring everyone on D into the box. Announcers kept saying they dominated the line of scrimmage. Our O-line didn't play that poorly we were outschemed. UM's D players weren't shedding block to make tackles, they out numbered us at the point of attack. There was always one or 2 unblocked/unaccounted for guys waiting to make the play. SCHEME.
And I said it a thousand times. That RPO (which we never run as a true RPO) sucks. Bad teams can stop it when they sell out to stop the run. Whenever Book holds the ball out to the RB, it is a run, we never throw out of it, so it is not a true RPO, and 90% OR MORE of the time Book never keeps it. So it is just a stupid run to the TB where the defenders have more momentum hitting the line of scrimmage than the RB does.
RPO … handoff to RB on 1st down leads to 2nd and long …. same thing again leads to 3rd and long. If you run blitz every time you see Book hold the ball out it is a very long day for ND and now the only time we pass is on obvious passing down. Garbage game plan BK.

IAN BOOK:

He was garbage. Missed open receivers, happy feet … AGAIN. Just awful. NEWSFLASH! …. This is who Ian Book is. He's decent and capable of good games but he is also capable of these stinkers and usually against better competition. If you want to compete with the Big Boys you need someone better. Have fun beating the patsies. And I hate to say this but I don't think Jurkovec is any better. He is ok but not the answer.
Once again it looks like QB getting worse under BK, Book looks worse and Jurkovec doesn't look better either. BK's record at developing QB's at ND is batting 1.000. I love IIO's new coach thread. All mentioned have success running offense and developing QB's. Apparently BK sucks at it. I think our sample size is PLENTY big.
And yes folks, while we can't develop QB's you have to blame BK for having a QB coach with ZERO experience anywhere. AWESOME!

TEAM:

We turned it over twice to their zero. It matters. If we don't screw up that blocked punt we have the ball in FG range to start. We screw it up even further by Gilman committing PI on a 3rd and long for them when the UM Wr wasn't going to catch it anyway. Bad plays for us. There were other miscues of course, dropped passes. How many false starts? Again? Coaching can't clean that up at ND apparently. 2 weeks to prepare. There is a reason Kelly loses these games. It isn't a coincidence.

Like I said, This should've been a game going into the 4th Qtr. Then Jurkovec doesn't come into the game. Our 2nd stringers on D don't. They scored 21 of their points in 4th qtr when the game was over and we had given up by putting Jurkovec and other 2nd stringers in. The game would've played out differently. The point isn't we "would've won." The point is we should've had a chance to win. Swarbick and his Big 10 offficials made sure we stayed down and had no chance after the bad start.

These are almost the same 2 teams that played last year when we made them look terrible. Did they get better than us in a year with same guys? NO … Kelly's game plan sucked, Book has gotten worse under him and still doesn't have a QB coach, we played terrible that day, and had to do all of this in a monsoon with BIG 10 officials.

Even as bad as we played we still should've been in it. UM is not that good. We've lost to worse teams than this under Kelly.

Good points. But who cares? We deserved the beat down. I don’t want to hear the “what if’s”.

It should not have been close. Michigan sucks
 
Every time we lose to UM the same idiots show up here to arouse anger. When we beat them, which lately is more often than not, we simply move on to the next game. Hence the reason I hate Michigan fans so much. A large majority of their shit talking fans have little to no connection to the school besides living in the state. Most are underachieving dirt bags in their own lives. Once the team wins for which they have no connection they feel good and drink themselves stupid for a week until they realize that they can’t even take 3rd in their own conference. Georgia fans win with style. Maybe it’s because they’re used to winning. Maybe we should schedule teams that improve our sos rather than going back and forth in wins and losses with these classless clowns.
 
Brain Kelly coached a terrible game last year. I've never seen a team sit on the ball for the whole 2nd half before and still win. Should've been a blow out score wise. I can accept losses when they're legit.

Funny how facts get termed excuses. It is what is. That's what happened.
45-14 is a blowout
 
Every time we lose to UM the same idiots show up here to arouse anger. When we beat them, which lately is more often than not, we simply move on to the next game. Hence the reason I hate Michigan fans so much. A large majority of their shit talking fans have little to no connection to the school besides living in the state. Most are underachieving dirt bags in their own lives. Once the team wins for which they have no connection they feel good and drink themselves stupid for a week until they realize that they can’t even take 3rd in their own conference. Georgia fans win with style. Maybe it’s because they’re used to winning. Maybe we should schedule teams that improve our sos rather than going back and forth in wins and losses with these classless clowns.
 
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So was 35-0. What’s your point. Did ND fans show up on the UM board and talk shit then?
Don’t think I have been talking shit. Just struggle with people that write books blaming everyone as to why they lost instead of Admiting that Michigan was the better team on Saturday night and move on. Everyone not named Bama, Clemson, and OSU has had to deal with losses.
 
Don’t think I have been talking shit. Just struggle with people that write books blaming everyone as to why they lost instead of Admiting that Michigan was the better team on Saturday night and move on. Everyone not named Bama, Clemson, and OSU has had to deal with losses.
100% Michigan was and looked the better team Saturday. Any fan that argues otherwise is pathetic.
 
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Don’t think I have been talking shit. Just struggle with people that write books blaming everyone as to why they lost instead of Admiting that Michigan was the better team on Saturday night and move on. Everyone not named Bama, Clemson, and OSU has had to deal with losses.
I make no excuses.

Despise them.

Our coach sucks. Not an excuse. Fact.

The juvenile things of shooting ourselves in the foot... Repeatedly...
Timid offense...
Sitting players that should be starting...
Waiting too long to see if an experiment will work...
Players looking like they've seen a ghost right before kickoff

I could go on and on.

These aren't excuses

These are facts and they are on the god damn juvenile overrated coaching staff


Michigan shouldn't have kicked our ass like that. Win some lose some.
Embarrassing performance? That was absurd.
 
Jesus H Christmas. Have you no shame? The officials, really? Michigan pitches a shutout but for the refs and the all-time worst PI call in the history of college football.

I repeat: 92 yds of total offense midway thru 4th qtr. ND’s offense was completely overmatched start to finish.

25-17-1. #FACT. Whether it’s on a 1 yr basis, 5 yrs, 7 yrs, 10 yrs, 15 yrs or since the rivalry began in 1887. We’ve been kicking Irish arse for a long while. Deal with it. See you in 2033. Lol
 
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Good points. But who cares? We deserved the beat down. I don’t want to hear the “what if’s”.

It should not have been close. Michigan sucks
Well to be fair, it wasn't close. Michigan whipped our ass, we wouldn't have even scored if it wasn't for that horrible PI call.

An absolute pathetic performance with 2 weeks to prepare for our most hated rival. Long and Kelly should be gone today.
 
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Well to be fair, it wasn't close. Michigan whipped our ass, we wouldn't have even scored if it wasn't for that horrible PI call.

An absolute pathetic performance with 2 weeks to prepare for our most hated rival. Long and Kelly should be gone today.
I agree Michigan wanted the W and deserved it. That does not mean they are the better team IMO They were that nite and beat our butts they made us scream like wimps. Should not have happened except they have a coach who can motivate and we have one who cannot game plan
 
Jesus H Christmas. Have you no shame? The officials, really? Michigan pitches a shutout but for the refs and the all-time worst PI call in the history of college football.

I repeat: 92 yds of total offense midway thru 4th qtr. ND’s offense was completely overmatched start to finish.

25-17-1. #FACT. Whether it’s on a 1 yr basis, 5 yrs, 7 yrs, 10 yrs, 15 yrs or since the rivalry began in 1887. We’ve been kicking Irish arse for a long while. Deal with it. See you in 2033.

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The shutout was aided by the illegal lineman call that would've gave us 1st and ten at the 12. the replay was very clear. That score would've changed the mood at the half. Teams always play better when their allowed to hold. Not saying we would've won, but we could've given a fair chance. Usually you have to win 4 qtrs. to win. Not the case this time.
 
Every time we lose to UM the same idiots show up here to arouse anger. When we beat them, which lately is more often than not, we simply move on to the next game. Hence the reason I hate Michigan fans so much. A large majority of their shit talking fans have little to no connection to the school besides living in the state. Most are underachieving dirt bags in their own lives. Once the team wins for which they have no connection they feel good and drink themselves stupid for a week until they realize that they can’t even take 3rd in their own conference. Georgia fans win with style. Maybe it’s because they’re used to winning. Maybe we should schedule teams that improve our sos rather than going back and forth in wins and losses with these classless clowns.

Way to show your colors out of the gate. Feel free to disagree. :)
 
The shutout was aided by the illegal lineman call that would've gave us 1st and ten at the 12. the replay was very clear. That score would've changed the mood at the half. Teams always play better when their allowed to hold. Not saying we would've won, but we could've given a fair chance. Usually you have to win 4 qtrs. to win. Not the case this time.
Knock that shit off.


You are better than that.

Michigan thumped us.

Our coach is the most overrated in the business.

End

Of

Story

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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now after the BK post game conference, sorry OP but ND was never going to be in this game in the 4th Q. There seemed to be very little fight and more resignation of defeat on the sidelines than we knew. A fait accompli.
 
Knock that shit off.


You are better than that.

Michigan thumped us.

Our coach is the most overrated in the business.

End

Of

Story

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brian Kelly is a bad game day coach. Agreed. His game plan sucked. Agreed. We didn't play well. Agreed. Big 10 officials fixed it so we couldn't make a comeback. Disagree. Fine. Go beat your drum somewhere else. We got hosed again. We should've had a chance to come back. The game was over by start of 4th qtr after which the score got out of hand, and it shouldn't have been that far out of reach to begin with.



Watch this UM lineman throw ND player down 10 yds out of bounds in front of the official
 
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Big 10 officials fixed it so we couldn't make a comeback.



Watch this UM lineman throw ND player down 10 yds out of bounds in front of the official

Good lord. Quit the horseshit. Why the fukc do you insist on giving us a some crybaby reputation?

The play you speak of two players were engaged. The play was still going on and they were playing until the whistle.
Ever see a gunner get run out of bounds by the defender?

That's what most are taught to do. Run that SOB out of bounds and keep his ass there. That happens at least once per game. Why no flags? The play is still going on.

The out of bounds player can't be the first to touch the ball but just because someone is driven out of bounds doesnt mean laundry has to hit the field.

It's not a late hit or unnecessary roughness if the whistle has yet to be blown.

The ND player put up about as much fight as the head coach. It was fitting. And legal
 
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Good lord. Quit the horseshit. Why the fukc do you insist on giving us a some crybaby reputation?

The play you speak of two players were engaged. The play was still going on and they were playing until the whistle.
Ever see a gunner get run out of bounds by the defender?

That's what most are taught to do. Run that SOB out of bounds and keep his ass there. That happens at least once per game. Why no flags? The play is still going on.

The out of bounds player can't be the first to touch the ball but just because someone is driven out of bounds doesnt mean laundry has to hit the field.

It's not a late hit or unnecessary roughness if the whistle has yet to be blown.

The ND player put up about as much fight as the head coach. It was fitting. And legal

The play happened 10 yds out of bounds. How long have you been watching football? You're wrong and you can go f yourself. :)
 
fawgetaboutit

The team was not ready from a game plan or from a physical or mental perspective to put up the effort needed to win. It was an “L” before they got on the bus to the stadium.
 
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Brian Kelly is a bad game day coach. Agreed. His game plan sucked. Agreed. We didn't play well. Agreed. Big 10 officials fixed it so we couldn't make a comeback. Disagree. Fine. Go beat your drum somewhere else. We got hosed again. We should've had a chance to come back. The game was over by start of 4th qtr after which the score got out of hand, and it shouldn't have been that far out of reach to begin with.



Watch this UM lineman throw ND player down 10 yds out of bounds in front of the official
Lulz. That play is a microcosm of the whole game.
 
Brian Kelly is a bad game day coach. Agreed. His game plan sucked. Agreed. We didn't play well. Agreed. Big 10 officials fixed it so we couldn't make a comeback. Disagree. Fine. Go beat your drum somewhere else. We got hosed again. We should've had a chance to come back. The game was over by start of 4th qtr after which the score got out of hand, and it shouldn't have been that far out of reach to begin with.



Watch this UM lineman throw ND player down 10 yds out of bounds in front of the official

thank you for posting this video. Honestly. I didn’t have the heart to do it. Just Thank You.
 
The play happened 10 yds out of bounds. How long have you been watching football? You're wrong and you can go f yourself. :)
I've been involved in the game 34 years.

Not as a fan mind you.

There was nothing wrong with the play. Do you see that situation every week? No.
But two players engaged (Notice the ND player every bit engaged as the UM player?)

How about this... Why the hell didn't our player who was clearly outweighed twist his entire body..he was clamped on the shoukder pads of said UM blocker.... Twist is body and throw himself in a 180 degree fashion which results in the big oaf falling down.

But nope!

I say again....Our defender offered as much fight as BK. Players were definitely an extension of the HC Saturday night
 
This loss is due to many things, top of the list, Brian Kelly, Ian Book, Jack Swarbick, Rest of team

Jack and Big 10 officials:

You might have missed it, but we got screwed again. They gave us the horrible PI that led to the ND TD but they gave it back in spades the following drive with 2 PI calls, the one on Pride technically is but is the ticky tacky grabbing that happens on every play. The 2nd one was as bad as ours. Call it a wash. Michigan DB's grab on every play. not unique. But more important was the noncalls for holding. We have 3 DE's who will play in the NFL and ZERO holding calls for a very average O-Line. 2 UM TD drives in 1st half aided by noncalls. 1st UM TD drive when they got long run you can see when RB gets behind safety who can't turn and chase because he is being held and safety snaps away when WR lets go after RB is behind him. Still would've been a 1st down but they still would've had half the field to go to score. Maybe they do.
The 2nd UM TD drive was worse. Two plays in a row Patterson rolls out to same side and ND DE can't chase as the tackle is holding him and you see him snap away as Tackle lets go after QB is past him. this was @nd and long and 3rd and long. Patterson scrambled past for 3 yds 1st time and 2nd time completed a pass for 1st dwon. Odds are this is a punt if they call either one when they should've called both.
These are just the ones I saw and I don't see everything. It IS NOT
Then ND gets illegal lineman downfield. The guy was clearly only 2 yds past line of scrimmage. And we had 1st and 10 on their 12 yd line. That is a FG at minimum and maybe a TD.

We should've been down 10-3 or 10-7 at half if we score and they call any one of multiple holding calls.

THANKS JACK. THIS IS ON YOU BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE GET BIG 10 officials against BIG 10 teams especially UM and AT UM. This game meant more to the BIG 10 as a whole than UM since their conference has zero OOC victories worth anything. I could see this coming a mile away. The Big 10 should be sending Swarbick a thank you card.

Call the 2 horrible PI's for both sides a wash and ND should've been in it going into the 4th. Even as horrible as Book and some others were. Patterson only completed his 1st big pass play when we were forced to sell out to stop the run early in 4th quarter. We and they aren't playing the same with different scenario.

BRIAN Kelly:

You got outcoached by Harbaugh who is awful. The tone was set for this game when UM decided to sell out to stop the run and we didn't. That 2 TE was worth crap if we aren't going to slip a TE out once in a while. It only made it easier for UM to bring everyone on D into the box. Announcers kept saying they dominated the line of scrimmage. Our O-line didn't play that poorly we were outschemed. UM's D players weren't shedding block to make tackles, they out numbered us at the point of attack. There was always one or 2 unblocked/unaccounted for guys waiting to make the play. SCHEME.
And I said it a thousand times. That RPO (which we never run as a true RPO) sucks. Bad teams can stop it when they sell out to stop the run. Whenever Book holds the ball out to the RB, it is a run, we never throw out of it, so it is not a true RPO, and 90% OR MORE of the time Book never keeps it. So it is just a stupid run to the TB where the defenders have more momentum hitting the line of scrimmage than the RB does.
RPO … handoff to RB on 1st down leads to 2nd and long …. same thing again leads to 3rd and long. If you run blitz every time you see Book hold the ball out it is a very long day for ND and now the only time we pass is on obvious passing down. Garbage game plan BK.

IAN BOOK:

He was garbage. Missed open receivers, happy feet … AGAIN. Just awful. NEWSFLASH! …. This is who Ian Book is. He's decent and capable of good games but he is also capable of these stinkers and usually against better competition. If you want to compete with the Big Boys you need someone better. Have fun beating the patsies. And I hate to say this but I don't think Jurkovec is any better. He is ok but not the answer.
Once again it looks like QB getting worse under BK, Book looks worse and Jurkovec doesn't look better either. BK's record at developing QB's at ND is batting 1.000. I love IIO's new coach thread. All mentioned have success running offense and developing QB's. Apparently BK sucks at it. I think our sample size is PLENTY big.
And yes folks, while we can't develop QB's you have to blame BK for having a QB coach with ZERO experience anywhere. AWESOME!

TEAM:

We turned it over twice to their zero. It matters. If we don't screw up that blocked punt we have the ball in FG range to start. We screw it up even further by Gilman committing PI on a 3rd and long for them when the UM Wr wasn't going to catch it anyway. Bad plays for us. There were other miscues of course, dropped passes. How many false starts? Again? Coaching can't clean that up at ND apparently. 2 weeks to prepare. There is a reason Kelly loses these games. It isn't a coincidence.

Like I said, This should've been a game going into the 4th Qtr. Then Jurkovec doesn't come into the game. Our 2nd stringers on D don't. They scored 21 of their points in 4th qtr when the game was over and we had given up by putting Jurkovec and other 2nd stringers in. The game would've played out differently. The point isn't we "would've won." The point is we should've had a chance to win. Swarbick and his Big 10 offficials made sure we stayed down and had no chance after the bad start.

These are almost the same 2 teams that played last year when we made them look terrible. Did they get better than us in a year with same guys? NO … Kelly's game plan sucked, Book has gotten worse under him and still doesn't have a QB coach, we played terrible that day, and had to do all of this in a monsoon with BIG 10 officials.

Even as bad as we played we still should've been in it. UM is not that good. We've lost to worse teams than this under Kelly.
You watched that game and thought ND got screwed by the officials? Wow, just wow
 
Don’t think I have been talking shit. Just struggle with people that write books blaming everyone as to why they lost instead of Admiting that Michigan was the better team on Saturday night and move on. Everyone not named Bama, Clemson, and OSU has had to deal with losses.


I thought better team on that night, goes without saying considering the score...

We’re trying to figure out where the **** our football team went... cause honestly I’m sorry our squad wasted y’all s time...
 
I've been involved in the game 34 years.

Not as a fan mind you.

There was nothing wrong with the play. Do you see that situation every week? No.
But two players engaged (Notice the ND player every bit engaged as the UM player?)

How about this... Why the hell didn't our player who was clearly outweighed twist his entire body..he was clamped on the shoukder pads of said UM blocker.... Twist is body and throw himself in a 180 degree fashion which results in the big oaf falling down.

But nope!

I say again....Our defender offered as much fight as BK. Players were definitely an extension of the HC Saturday night

This is a proper way to disagree. And I still disagree. I agree with just about everything but players don't legally carry the play more than 10 yds out of bounds into the bench area. By the time he is that far out of bounds they are both clearly out of the play and he can shove the player off. There is no need to take him down and come down on top of him, totally unnecessary, thus by definition, unnecessary roughness.
 
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The shutout was aided by the illegal lineman call that would've gave us 1st and ten at the 12. the replay was very clear. That score would've changed the mood at the half. Teams always play better when their allowed to hold. Not saying we would've won, but we could've given a fair chance. Usually you have to win 4 qtrs. to win. Not the case this time.

Uh, the Nd lineman was 4-5 yards down field when the ball left Book’s hand. An easy and correct call. Sorry, but you just lost all credibility.
 
Uh, the Nd lineman was 4-5 yards down field when the ball left Book’s hand. An easy and correct call. Sorry, but you just lost all credibility.

They showed the replay and pointed him out. It was clearly 2 yds.
 
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