Is Hartman being too careful with the football?

[Quest4Twelve]

Yes he hasn't thrown a pic (although could have a couple), but what had me excited for SH was how he threw his WR open at Wake. He threw a lot of back shoulder, recognized the 1 v 1 matchups and seemed to be ahead of the D.

Outside of the protection issues he's standing back there and does not want to make that tight throw. Again SH has made some of throws, but he just seems to be extra careful and would rather take a sack.

 

[BM16]

Yes he hasn't thrown a pic (although could have a couple), but what had me excited for SH was how he threw his WR open at Wake. He threw a lot of back shoulder, recognized the 1 v 1 matchups and seemed to be ahead of the D.

Outside of the protection issues he's standing back there and does not want to make that tight throw. Again SH has made some of throws, but he just seems to be extra careful and would rather take a sack.

He made some throws to Mitchell Evans with guys draped all over him on Saturday night.

 

[Harpo Marxist]

As the level of competition has gone up...the O line isn't protecting Sam as much...and the receivers aren't getting the same separation. Sam's extra caution is probably the lesser of two evils. He's a veteran quarterback who isn't making the game-changing costly mistakes (those should be familiar to us). The play calling is going to have to adapt to the personnel some what. We can't be going scoreless for an entire half...or even almost. The problem isn't Sam....its the O line and the inexperienced receivers.

 

[Golson5]

As the level of competition has gone up...the O line isn't protecting Sam as much...and the receivers aren't getting the same separation. Sam's extra caution is probably the lesser of two evils. He's a veteran quarterback who isn't making the game-changing costly mistakes (those should be familiar to us). The play calling is going to have to adapt to the personnel some what. We can't be going scoreless for an entire half...or even almost. The problem isn't Sam....its the O line and the inexperienced receivers.

This isn't totally true.

The OLine was awesome against OSU. They gave Sam time and were opening up running landes

The OSU DL said it was the best OL they ever played against

 

[NDblitz]

Let's not forget he was missing 25 catches almost 400 yards and 5 TDs of production at WR.

 

[NDblitz]

This isn't totally true.

The OLine was awesome against OSU. They gave Sam time and were opening up running landes

The OSU DL said it was the best OL they ever played against

They kept him upright almost the whole game vs OSU. Thomas went out during the game. Which hurt. He really is old reliable in a lot of ways.

 

[theskibro]

This isn't totally true.

The OLine was awesome against OSU. They gave Sam time and were opening up running landes

The OSU DL said it was the best OL they ever played against

Correct. Level of comp has zero to do with Duke game. Stacking box and exotic blitzes is reason why o line struggled.

 

[sjb75]

Correct. Level of comp has zero to do with Duke game. Stacking box and exotic blitzes is reason why o line struggled.

If you want to game plan and overplay the run, you can be successful doing so, and Duke was.

 

[geisha]

Pass efficiency D | OSU #12 | Duke #5
Scoring D | OSU #7 | Duke #7
Total D | OSU #6 | Duke #19

How many teams and/or QBs have faced this competition so far this year.

And for the record
Pass efficiency D | Lou #46 | USC #68
Scoring D | Lou #62 | USC #74
Total D | Lou #37 | USC #98

 

[burmafrd1943]

Yes he hasn't thrown a pic (although could have a couple), but what had me excited for SH was how he threw his WR open at Wake. He threw a lot of back shoulder, recognized the 1 v 1 matchups and seemed to be ahead of the D.

Outside of the protection issues he's standing back there and does not want to make that tight throw. Again SH has made some of throws, but he just seems to be extra careful and would rather take a sack.

some people are such aholes. Same people that would scream about a pick now whine about not being aggressive enough

 

[Patrirish]

As the level of competition has gone up...the O line isn't protecting Sam as much...and the receivers aren't getting the same separation. Sam's extra caution is probably the lesser of two evils. He's a veteran quarterback who isn't making the game-changing costly mistakes (those should be familiar to us). The play calling is going to have to adapt to the personnel some what. We can't be going scoreless for an entire half...or even almost. The problem isn't Sam....its the O line and the inexperienced receivers.

👍👍👍

 

[Patrirish]

some people are such aholes. Same people that would scream about a pick now whine about not being aggressive enough

👍👍👍

 

[NDblitz]

Pass efficiency D | OSU #12 | Duke #5
Scoring D | OSU #7 | Duke #7
Total D | OSU #6 | Duke #19

How many teams and/or QBs have faced this competition so far this year.

And for the record
Pass efficiency D | Lou #46 | USC #68
Scoring D | Lou #62 | USC #74
Total D | Lou #37 | USC #98

98? Yikes!

 

[tbonesays]

As the level of competition has gone up...the O line isn't protecting Sam as much...and the receivers aren't getting the same separation. Sam's extra caution is probably the lesser of two evils. He's a veteran quarterback who isn't making the game-changing costly mistakes (those should be familiar to us). The play calling is going to have to adapt to the personnel some what. We can't be going scoreless for an entire half...or even almost. The problem isn't Sam....its the O line and the inexperienced receivers.

Okay, he can see the coverage, we cannot. Maybe he should coached to be cautious outside of the pocket. SH was rarely in position to run when a coverage sack situation arose. See the first three plays before 4th and 16.

 

[BGI User 756]

I’m totally fine with Sam protecting the ball

 

[Patrirish]

I’m totally fine with Sam protecting the ball

👍

 

[tbonesays]

We also have to consider the team is pretty much just a one man show. Hartman going down would be like Brady giving the 2008 Pats a 20 minute season.

 

[Golson5]

We also have to consider the team is pretty much just a one man show. Hartman going down would be like Brady giving the 2008 Pats a 20 minute season.

Defense is really good. We have a lot of really good players surrounding Hartman

 

[DieHard_Irish]

No, we are 5 - 1, with the 1 being a last second lose which should have never happened; just catch an INT right at you and we're 6 - 0

 

[Tru2Irish]

some people are such aholes. Same people that would scream about a pick now whine about not being aggressive enough

Guys like Merriweather simply have to step up and bring their A game. Tyree has been very good. Need to look for him ore. Flores and Greathouse as frosh -doing the job. Evans has stickum built into his hands.Gotta get Staes more involved. Maybe should try Raridon at wr. and see what Faison can do. ND has the receivers-just gotta get them to do the routes and separate.

 

[IrishBeer]

Yes he hasn't thrown a pic (although could have a couple), but what had me excited for SH was how he threw his WR open at Wake. He threw a lot of back shoulder, recognized the 1 v 1 matchups and seemed to be ahead of the D.

Outside of the protection issues he's standing back there and does not want to make that tight throw. Again SH has made some of throws, but he just seems to be extra careful and would rather take a sack.

He doesn’t have anyone to throw to and take a risk. Nobody that can go up and fight for the football. He has to be careful and throw intermediate passes on the money. Merriweather, Colzie, Styles never progressed. James isn’t on the field bc he isn’t developed enough despite IB saying he was unstoppable in spring practice. Development is not happening at WR to an acceptable degree. Flores and Greathouse arrived ready. Our tight ends and running backs develop at a pace far greater than WR.

 

[burmafrd1943]

He doesn’t have anyone to throw to and take a risk. Nobody that can go up and fight for the football. He has to be careful and throw intermediate passes on the money. Merriweather, Colzie, Styles never progressed. James isn’t on the field bc he isn’t developed enough despite IB saying he was unstoppable in spring practice. Development is not happening at WR to an acceptable degree. Flores and Greathouse arrived ready. Our tight ends and running backs develop at a pace far greater than WR.

Hartman is being smart and not taking risks unless he has to. He has no real reason to trust any of the WRs to the point of just chucking it close and expecting them to make a play.