If you're suggesting that Harbaugh would even be remotely interested in the ND job, you won't be taken seriously. That notion is patently absurd.
I wish we would have had the foresight to get Harbaugh
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If you're suggesting that Harbaugh would even be remotely interested in the ND job, you won't be taken seriously. That notion is patently absurd.
Well, if that is the case, how ND has fallen. I guess the translation of what you are saying is the huge endowment ND has can't be used to lure a good coach here because the ND program is beyond redeeming.
DIP
I thought you thought I was referring to my comment re recruiting as UM having a potential big recruiting weekend. I meant ND had some visitors in for the weekend.
Bodizephax
I've posted how many times?
Weren't you the poster who apologized for being too negative after the UMASS win? And you are back doing the same thing?
Hey Paz - remember this?
Just learned not to drink many beers and post during the game. I am thrilled with the win and sometimes get caught up with each and every play. As one poster wrote (maybe Echowalker?) I should post after the game instead of in the heat of the moment. I am sorry I got a bit negative on Saturday when the game was close.
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Mr. khaki pants got fired by the Niners for a reason. He isnt good at teaching football and did nothing for Kap in his last season. He will fail again.
Michigan plays in the b10. The 2 best teams they played are Utah which was a loss and Northwestern which is always an overacheiver Other than Mich state and Ohio State the b10 is garbage
the main reason a lot of coaches who were successful at the college level don't do well in the nfl is ego. few can go from the guy having the biggest ego in the building to dealing with egos equivalent to or bigger than theirs. its a different animal. no college coach will put up with a kid telling him to go "screw himself ". in the nfl its a common occurrence.
NW beat Stanford; last week they were everyones darlings!
Who thinks Navy beats NW?
Would UVA or UMass beat NW? or Stanford?
The Big10 may be weak over all but it is quite possible that the top 12 teams this week will have 3 Big10 teams.
Who thinks Navy beats NW?
Would UVA or UMass beat NW? or Stanford?
The Big10 may be weak over all but it is quite possible that the top 12 teams this week will have 3 Big10 teams.
Back again, Brian, now that Indiana has dropped two in a row?
A BIG horses arse trying to make ND look bad. Why is this allowed?
Harbaugh was like a second son to Bo. No secret that Bo had no love for Nd. No chance Jim takes that job even if offered.
Yes, I apologized because my comments were over the top. Does that mean I can't point out that I love what Harbaugh is doing and wish we had him? Listen, Kelly is a good coach. I am not disputing that. He has done a good job getting ND back into the top 20. I just don't think he can take us to the next level. He has proven this with consistent 8-5 seasons, barely beating bad to average teams, and consistently losing to good teams. Because the coaches that preceded him were bad is no reason not to consider a coaching change. Not a change for the sake of change, but a coach who CAN get us to the next level. That is all I am saying. If the argument is that there is no other coach who is better than Kelly out there who is willing to take the job, then ND is no longer ND. I don't believe this.
Michigan lost to Utah who many consider to be the best in the country. When the BCS rankings come out, Utah will be in the top 3. Michigan beat NW, #13 in the country. They have shutout 3 straight opponents. Now look at ND. Schedule is much weaker than Michigan. The only decent team we played is Clemson,,,and of course lost. We barely beat UVA (should have lost). GT stinks, yet got within a TD of us. UMass scored how many on us? Navy is Navy. Our schedule is pathetic and we never even came close to shutting out anyone, let alone 3 teams in a row.
You think Kelly at ND has a better resume than Harbaugh. Put down the pipe. Harbaugh transformed Stanford into a powerhouse and is doing the same at UM. Where is Stanford at now that Harbaugh is gone? Harbaugh also had SF in how many NFC Championships?
You are probably right. But money talks. ND has a huge endowment. They could have offered a sum he could not have refused. Anyway...the point is...there is always someone out there better than Kelly. Harbaugh is clearly a better coach then Kelly. We just have to wake up and stop making excuses that we can't find a better coach than a perpetual 8-5 coach.
He has a Fiesta Bowl ring as a player and an Orange Bowl ring as a coach....
.... an NFC championship ring too boot...
He also had a Big 10 Championship has a player.....
As I predicted he is building a meat grinder and plays a brand of football I wish ND would get back to.....
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From tos:
Versus ranked opponents:
"Kelly 10-10 in those games, and has finished ranked in the top 15 in 1 of the past 5 seasons"
"Kelly has lost to 11 unranked teams since 2010."
Carry on and please start happy hour now!
I just don't get it with these guys. I guess 8 wins a year is acceptable, even when your coach costs you at least one win a season.
My concern is that 6 years in we are still making the same silly mistakes and have not established an identity....among other things....
Heck, umass thought they could beat us... va almost did.... Let's keep the sunshine pumping though...
Nobody fears us or kelly....no one....
Lastly, this whole excuse making over having to play our 3rd string (actually 2nd string) qb is quite entertaining as well.
Let's see, where was Montana on the depth chart in '77 as a junior?
Heck, he may have been 4th string if Falash hadn't blown a knee....
PS Mike Falash is one of the all time great ND guys/talents.....sad, his career ended the way it did....
Bodizephax
I've posted how many times?
Utah is not the best in the country. Far from it. You need to apologize for that statement.
JH has proved he is a good, even great coach, but he is not as good as Brian Kelly and he could never live within the rules ND makes sure their coaches abide by.
Brian Kelly is a top three CFB coach and guys like cgvr, Pazuzu and Mo1e dumping on him make it even clearer that he must be good because it is certain how little they know about football.
Brian Kelly is a top three CFB coach and guys like cgvr, Pazuzu and Mo1e dumping on him make it even clearer that he must be good because it is certain how little they know about football.
Bodizephax
I've posted how many times?
Paz needs to go to rehab. He is like Sark--always getting drunk and then apologizing afterwards.
You are drunk if you think KeLLLLLy is a top cfb coach. Auburn fans live for the day when Saban leaves Bama; ND fans would be giddy if Harbaugh bolted from Michigan; Michigan fans will be thrilled when Dantonio parts ways with Sparty or when Meyer flees OSU. Do you really think that USC fans give two bits if Brian KeLLLLLy stays or leaves ND? Hell no. They'd probably pitch in for an extension.
And to suggest that Harbaugh couldn't live w/in rules of ND when he just led a better academic institution in Stanford (one who has not had any of the persistent academic fraud scandals that occurred at ND) is laughable.
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in the words of Johnny Mac, "you cannot be serious"!
Kelly is a good coach because he does run a good program; surrounded by the right staff he can be very good. I think he is getting a better staff assembled. He is not a Meyer who by force of his personality and football genius can get it done, Kelly cannot be a 1 man show; he gets help and he is slowly building things to a Top 15 contender. If we point out shortcomings, then also credit when credit is due.
Pardon me if being a malcontent for malcontent purpose is not my thing! This is just about ND and ND winning football.
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You do realize Mattison is not the Defensive Coordinator, right? Durkin is. The notion of him going back to the NFL any time soon is just a pipe dream. In fact, many that were very close to the hiring process and courting process think he's a lifer at Michigan. His parents moved back to AA to watch him coach. He loves UM.
Before he took the UM job Oakland wanted to offer him $8M/year or more, he wouldn't have to pick his family up and move across country, and has a QB JH has raved about who's very young -- didn't even hear them out on the offer. He's going to be in AA for quite a long time.
Harbaugh would never come to Notre Dame. He needs full autonomy. He got pushed out at Stanford and shoved out at SF because he couldn't get it there. That being said he will be back in the NFL with Colts or Bears in 3 years. The kids he's recruiting won't graduate with him as their Coach. He's an NFL guy with unfinished business. Another Pete Carroll.
have you actually compared their college resumes ? Kelly has ONE losing season in 26 years. harbaugh has more in a quarter of that time. Kelly has a lower division national championship, multiple conference championships. conference coach of the year multiple times. National Coach of the Year TWICE. Harbaugh who I personally think is an excellent coach has achieved none of those in his tenure as a college coach. I'm talking college resumes. nfl doesn't pertain.
Truth be told, both BK and JH are excellent coaches and are regarded as the top level at their profession. MI is fortunate and so are the Irish. Don't forget how bad the Irish were before Kelly took over. If I had the choice of BK or JH, I believe it's a toss up. Both have improved their programs. The Irish aren't that far away from being elite. Injuries happen to every school, but if you added back Zaire to this team, not to mention the TE, RB, DL and LB, I believe ND had a realistic chance to go all of the way. They still may, but the hill got a lot higher losing those players.
Truth be told. Harbaugh was put in a lot better position at Mich than Kelly had at ND. UM had players, Hoke couldn't develop or coach them. BK was left with an empty cupboard, with the exception of a few players, Kelly had to build depth and speed through recruiting. Harbaugh at least had a good base of players already there.
Once again the uninformed post with impunity and without knowledge.
Once again the uninformed post with impunity and without knowledge.
Johnny
How many teams in the top 15 are playing with their back up TE, DT , QB . Nickel Back + RB ?
And if not for horrific weather conditions that team would be ranked # 5 in the country maybe #4 ?
If that is not a positive indictment on the status of the ND football program then nothing is .
Also re LSU game last yr check out how they are doing - not a bad win .
