So you refute the fact that we were scoring at will with 6 True Freshman on Offense and a depleted roster? All I'm saying is that there wasn't some perfect storm against Notre Dame in that game. I would think playing Defense against 6 True Freshman, with 3 on the Oline, is kind of ideal. The game was just a butt kicking, it happens, not some freak sequence of events against Notre Dame.
How was USC able to destroy ND with only half a roster?
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So you refute the fact that we were scoring at will with 6 True Freshman on Offense and a depleted roster? All I'm saying is that there wasn't some perfect storm against Notre Dame in that game. I would think playing Defense against 6 True Freshman, with 3 on the Oline, is kind of ideal. The game was just a butt kicking, it happens, not some freak sequence of events against Notre Dame.
Malloy keeps auto correcting to Mallory. Sorry for the confusion. As I said, his legacy lives on! Smartest 7-5 team in the country.
Fatty, its the legacy of Monk Malloy and Mike Wadsworth. The two engineers of the destruction of ND football
Where did I refute that? I simply pointed out what everyone on this board already knows: in your little mind, Pete Carroll and southern cal can do no wrong. Just pointing out a well-known fact.
Yeah, like you're really so broken up about the current state of ND football. Go find a hobby, half-wit.
Do no wrong is a gross exaggeration of my views. You have always characterized Pete and USC as toxic cheaters who run a dirty program. You defended the ridiculous sanctions while I pointed them out as unjustified and a corrupted process. History has proven my position to be correct, and now that position is widely accepted.
So I guess you are still having trouble accepting that since you feel the need to come after me on a completely unrelated topic. Just let it go. Sanctions came down in 2010 and they have been served. You got some wins, but it's time to get back to an even playing field.
Fatty's point really doesn't stand. Those Freshmen had started or played quite a bit all year. They were playing against ND freshmen who had started one or two games, if that. ND's defense was massively depleted. I would say that USC clearly was the better team that day, but Beach's points were quite valid.
I don't know who wins this year, but the game is going to be much more competitive than last year.
I don't know who wins this year, but the game is going to be much more competitive than last year.
Fatty: As I said I think we may have won anyway. It's the degree of victory that I think was the result of the perfect storm.
Your tendency to project your opinion as fact is as evident as ever. Widely accepted and proven as unjustified and corrupted? According to whom? The Daily Trojan? Please cite your source for this claim. You stating this does not make it fact. I realize you like to indulge your paranoid theories about NCAA conspiracies to bring down southern cal that come right out of the Mike Garrett looney bin, but let's not forget your track record on predictions about this case. Oh, by the way, it is widely accepted that southern cal got off too lightly. See, I can play that game, too.
Getting back to an even playing field? You must be joking. The reason why you were penalized so heavily was for the very purpose of making the playing field even again. Your entire success under Carroll was because the playing field wasn't even---you guys were winning with ineligible players, had extra coaches, and were providing illegal benefits. I know you're unable to face the reality that your success under your beloved Poodle was a mirage, but that's your problem. As far as southern cal being a dirty program: you do know that southern cal's success in football has historically been followed by probation, don't you? Says a lot about your program.
What do you mean my point doesnt stand? The Notre Dame Defense wasn't playing 6 True Freshman in that game. We had 3 True Freshman Olineman, I can't think of a bigger advantage for a Defense. You guys were injured, but so were we. I think we had 20 players lost for the season to injury last season, and that's after starting with less numbers from the start.
Bottom line, no matter how you look at it, you can't blame injuries in a game where the Opponent has less numbers than you and is running out a bunch of True Freshman, and you simply cannot stop them.
LOL, do you follow anything outside of this message board? The above statement sounds like it was written by someone who hasnt read a national news story in a decade.
Nice dodge, but still waiting for you to provide the citation to support your claim. And no, The Daily Trojan doesn't count.
By the way, do the years 1956-1958, 1959-1960, 1982-1984, 1985-1987, 2001-2002, and 2010-2013 ring a bell?
Geez guy, go back and count again. Your point simply doesn't stand the fact test.
Dude, I am a firm supporter of the LGBT community, but would still have to put a minor ass whooping on you for this pathetic thread.
You're embarrassing yourself. No one GAF about Indiana. Do you even have a D1 football program? Serious question.
Correction....3 true freshman offensive linemen on offense, one true freshman cornerback and one true freshman free safety on defense. 5 total. By the 12th game however, the kids were freshmen in name early.
For whatever reason, the Irish were not ready to play. Most Trojan fans were thinking that the Irish had at least an even shot of winning the game. When Golson's psyche shattered, so did the rest of the team it seems.
The team bounced back nicely against LSU.
EG was coming off a season of suspension disciplinary action (cheating)
EG was given a second chance
and then:
what was obvious to both fans of USC and ND was that EG quit on his team; that for several games he disrespected the staff including and especially BK.
He then participates in the bowl game; he is then is given the opportunity to regain the starting job at QB! (taking valuable reps from Kizer)
That begs the question WTF!
EG should have been told to leave - not have EG tell ND he is leaving
EG was given a second chance
and then:
what was obvious to both fans of USC and ND was that EG quit on his team; that for several games he disrespected the staff including and especially BK.
He then participates in the bowl game; he is then is given the opportunity to regain the starting job at QB! (taking valuable reps from Kizer)
That begs the question WTF!
EG should have been told to leave - not have EG tell ND he is leaving
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Wow! even Ohio State 22 points better. Michigan people always talk about the F-tards at tOSU but you never hear them talk about Indiana. Oh, that's right because Indiana's football is worse than the academics.
3 True Freshman Olineman
1 True Freshman TE (Bryce Dixon)
2 True Freshman WRs (Juju Smith and Adoree Jackson, who scored a TD)
That's 6 just on Offense. Then on Defense we had
1 True Freshman Corner (Jackson, who was going both way)
1 True Freshman Safety
I was just counting the Offensive players because they were pretty much scoring at will, but if you want to count Defense too, all the better. And no, these guys werent all THAT experienced by the end of the season. A couple of the OLineman didn't start until the end of the season after injuries took hold. Jackson wasnt starting at corner until the midpoint of the season.
I agree, kind of an anomaly of a game because the team sort of shattered after Golson crapped out. But those things happen. My point was that you can't just blame injuries when the Opponent was pretty injured and playing a bunch of kids themselves. Talented kids, but still kids.
Yeah, Golson was a disaster last season. Which begs the question, why hasn't Kelly been able to develope any QBs during his time at ND?
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I've posted how many times?
I've been waiting for someone to reply back to his poster with ND's own freshman that were pressed into action.
On Defense:
DL Andrew Trumbetti -true frosh
DL Jay Hayes - true frosh (hurt in game)
DL Jacob Matuska - true frosh (hurt in game)
LB Greer Martini - true frosh
LB Nyles Morgan - true frosh
CB Devin Butler - true frosh
Those kids started the game. I think 2 other true frosh played (Cage & Mokwuah). That is more than 1/2 the starting D.
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the thing is USC was on sanctions; they had no alternative to the Fr.
But in year 5 - ND had to start all those guys you list. I am not sure that you advance the ND argument with that.
Perse, the argument isn't who had a deeper stable. The argument is who had the most freshman on the field for that game. However regarding your point, there is not a team that wouldn't have been impacted by losing 5 out the gate and all the injuries! Depth was not a problem the first 6-7 games of the season. Then all sh*t broke loose.
No the argument is how did USC with 50 scholarship players beat down ND with 65 scholarship players. For both teams it's +- 5... mautuska was not a true Frosh btw.
I think the thing that is missing here is it was week 12. ND was reeling and was putting guys on the field who had contributed very little up to that point. The USC freshman, many of them, had played significant roles or started most of the season and therefore were more like sophmores at that point.
That is pretty much the story. USC's freshmen were largely playing and starting since August, and ND's freshmen were jumping in late in the season to fill holes. And sometimes, when you get down early, games just snowball.
How far did you have to scroll down to find this thread, which has been dead for two weeks? Shameless self bumping.This loss looks even worse now because Sark is a drunk
but, consider that reading all the explanations/spin from ND fans, I expect to see a post claiming that it was a conspiracy and ND actually won and the press and media are lying!
