The same QB that pretty much was boo'd last week before Fromm came in and completed a few passes? Eason might have the recruiting accolades but he's barely head and shoulders above Fromm.
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I haven't watched the replay yet, but I saw a lot of missed assignments and saw three on one blocking and guys running free and not giving Wimbush anytime. I think the OL did not do it's job many times, not just overwhelmed by superior talent. But wow, they have great speed on D that's for sure.
Again, I haven't watched the replay, but It seems to me by the end of the game, we shut Georgia's run down and you guys abandon the run and went to the pass. ND had three possessions in the last eight minutes of the game and our D kept forcing UGA to three and outs and our offense could get even one FG to win the game.
Eason is head and shoulders above Fromm in experience. Fromm my be the better player in a year or two, but Eason knows how to distribute the ball to playmakers.
App State had 136 yards rushing, ND 55. How many blue chip 4-5 star recruits does App State have on the O line? And even if you say UGA called off the dogs then just take half of what App State rushed for, 68 yards, and they outgained us by 13.
Take good care? Wow, you southerners love to put polite tones to completely disrespectful comments...it was a competitive game, but to come on our site and say we're slow, you're lucky about Eason being hurt, your qb sucks, your fans suck for selling their tickets...but wow, thanks for hosting us wish you well makes you the most polically correct troll ever...unfortunately, they are still troll type comments..:congrats to the bulldogs but a big thumbs down to your post.
LOL, one play and your narrative would be completely different. I could easily say if we didn't have a new QB and Kizer stayed would would have moped the floor with Georgial However, I wouldn't be that obtuse or arrogant to say that.
That comment from a UGA fan is exactly why I despise their fans (I still love my wife as a UGA fan as she tends to be the eternal pessimist). It's actually kind of comical and even more so after they lose to Florida or Tennessee but the best is when Tech takes the state crown. Not to digress but it's a tough loss that I hope the team can shake off last years memories.
Nope. That's coaching, development, retention and execution wrapped into a debacle.
Don't get me wrong. My assertion is not that Brian Kelly is the guy to win at a consistently high level at Notre Dame. I also don't happen to think that Kirby Smart is an obviously better coach than Kelly is. More than likely, IMO, they're on a similarly above average, but below elite tier.
I do believe, however, that most things about that game were pretty equal, coaching included and that the difference was the maybe 4-5 athletes Georgia has that ND doesn't.
Otherwise it was a very entertaining, although somewhat sloppy (both teams) game that didn't go the way ND fans would have liked for it to have gone.
I know one ELITE coach who got his ass spanked by a 34 year old newbie yesterday.
It's hard to get comfortable when you have little time to throw most of the night (and you're only in your 2nd start anyways). I think he'll continue to get better.
Kelly got beat by a new head coach in year two with a true freshman QB.... Say what you will but we are 15-3 in recent years over tech. Tennessee does not have our level of d and beat us in the last year of our old coach and first year of our new coach. Big deal.
We turned your house into our house. That's on your fans.
We turned your house into our house. That's on your fans.
Excellent post. I have 1 complaint. Mqclinchy IMO is overrated. He going against the best? Second comings of LT. What does he think is awaiting him on Sunday's?
He's a right tackle in the NFL. Nowhere near the feet that Stanley or Martin had. Those guys were ELITE pass protectors. McGlinchey is above average and as still get a 1st round grade, but he's not elite.
Nelson, on the other hand, is special.
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I've posted how many times?
Georgia is not that good. 8 and 5 last year. Moral victories are not real wins. And Kelly never beats good teams. Never. He plays walkons instead of his studs. The offensive line plays soft because their coach is soft. And Kelly is not that great of a recruiter. Kelly must go ! His huge Oline has problems with Navy for Chrise sakes.
Not one of your more insightful illuminating ground breaking posts.
Good points. So with that said. Kelly has had 8 years to get ND on par with the rest of the big schools. He's failed. It's that simple. Time to show him the door at seasons end. Now who would they replace him with? I have no idea. But I'll say this. If they go 8 and 4 or worse and they keep Kelly, that speaks volumes on what the administration thinks about the football program. Right now it's mediocre. Kelly had one good year. Lucky too, when you look at the games they won in 2012. He is clearly not the man to bring ND back. He is an ok recruiter. Not bad but nothing great either. Watching all those Georgia fans in the stadium was embarrassing for ND. That tells you that fans are sick of the lousy product on the field due to poor recruiting and poor coaching. Winbush is overrated. He's an athlete playing QB. That was on display for the whole nation to see. Yet the freshman QB for Georgia was much more composed and threw much better passes. As long as Kelly is the coach ND will be mediocre. Fans will evetually stop going. It's already started. I laughed whenever the question is asked, "what would a win in ND stadium mean?" Are you kidding me? Everyone wins at ND except ND. Go ask Tulsa,So Florida, Northwestern, Navy, Louisville, SC , MSU, and Syracuse just to name a few. It's a joke. Hey you want an automatic win, schedule ND at their venue and it's pretty much guaranteed. Anyway, I just wanted to say I agree with you points. It's obvious there need to be a change at the top.
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Being awful hard on Kelly. Navy and Tech run an offense that is completely opposite of modern football. Wish the NCAA would ban the knee cutting and end that offense in the name of player safety.
If you guys can get stoops I would do it but otherwise I would wait.
You guys were well coached last night. You tackled well a d made the most of our mistakes, that is what good teams do.
Either way, I hope you win out. USC is not at championship level and Stanford is down. Mchiigan State misses narduzzi.
You can win out.
If you guys can get stoops I would do it but otherwise I would wait.
You guys were well coached last night. You tackled well a d made the most of our mistakes, that is what good teams do.
Either way, I hope you win out. USC is not at championship level and Stanford is down. Mchiigan State misses narduzzi.
You can win out.
USC will be our toughest game of the season. If it was played next week, we'd be at least 10 point underdogs. I do think if we play well, we can win 9-10 games though.
As a UGA fan I apologize for this post, it's passive aggressive garbage.
ND definitely needs to get more speed on the field.Really wish that Stepherson would get his act together. Only player on the team that can blow the top off defense's. But ND does need to win and continue play great defense, bc you have to start getting some 5 star talents. If Elko gets his hands on some real studs, Notredame will be a top 5 team too. If Elko/Clark were in South Bend 2 years ago; Notredame would have been playing for a Nation title vs Alabama in 2015.
Dude, do you know how seldom that has been? Since 2001, (16 years) we have lost three games to Tech. 13- 3 overall in that period. In the time that Fish Fry has been there we are 6-2. Give me a break. You can do better than that.
No argument from me. That was true for both sides. I was just stating that ND's O-line was not overrated. UGA has similar recruits on the D line, they are deep and they could rotate a lot in and out and keep them fresh and fast.
That was one heck of a game. As IIO pointed out especially on D the Georgia front 7 has much better athletes than the irish specifically the DL. And as one gloating GA poster said more depth. To me the game could of went either way. I think Wimbush is overrated and hope he learns from this. We had our opportunities to win. Maybe revenge in Athens.,
Georgia has 11 composite 5 star athletes on their roster compared to NDs zero.
I'm very much looking forward to the day the fan base acknowledges just how comparatively poor NDs talent level is relative to the power programs in college football ... and also acknowledging just how big a factor that plays in determining NDs season-outlook.
I'm very much looking forward to the day the fan base acknowledges just how comparatively poor NDs talent level is relative to the power programs in college football ... and also acknowledging just how big a factor that plays in determining NDs season-outlook.
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Absolutely could have gone either way. There was no dominant team.
Yep. ND's talent level and depth is not good enough to win big against this schedule and the schedules to come. I mean it's possible but it will be difficult.
There was a huge drop off from 2015 to 2016 because ND lost Jaylon Smith on defence and Will Fuller on offence.
The only way ND was going to squeak by with the win was if they took less costly penalties and won the turnover battle by 2.
Even those teams didn't have enough talent. It isn't about 1 or 2 players at the top end ... it's more about how the rosters stack up 1 through 85.
There's major correlation between a program's talent level and the results you see on the field on Saturdays.
ND is an 8 win program during BKs tenure because the program can only attract 8 win talent. It's really as simple as that.
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I am not disagreeing with you. In 2015 ND was pretty good but still couldn't manage to beat Clemson, Stanford or Ohio St.
Then ND lost their biggest playmaker on defence and one of their biggest playmakers offence, two actually, I think they also lost CJ Prosise.
So losing those 3 players made a huge impact last season. ND wasn't able to replace them and ended up 4-8.
ND wants their players to be students. Nothing wrong with that. I agree with that. However, if you are a legit 4 to 5 star player who's main goal is to get to the NFL, why would you want to go to ND? It's painfully obvious these football players have better options. It's rare to get 5 star athletes who also want to be students and get a degree. Maybe they do want a degree down the road. But most want the NFL and the payday that comes with it. Not to mention, no one who is elite wants to play in a mediocre program. That's where ND is and has been for a long long time. As long as those in charge keep the same view of football, meaning it's not that important, then nothing will change.
I've said it before and I will say it again. ND should create a football major for people who are interested in becoming football coaches, strength and conditioning coaches, and video analysis people etc. So a lot of the players could be in that and after their playing days are done they can go on to coach at the college and high school level.
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I respect the recruiting experts on the board but enough of the not blaming the OC. That was an awful game plan, plain and simple. Make all the excuses you want about players not making plays, but an OC is supposed to maximize the player's abilities and not using dexter's burst one time the whole fricking game against a good speedy defensive front is ridiculous. This OC was a huge reason we lost. Play calling sucked!
For those of you that didn't think it made a difference, listen to Georgia's coach himself,
"“I tell you what I’m proud of, I’m proud of our fans, proud of the fact that they came out,” Georgia head coach Kirby Smart said. “Tons of them were here. The video shots I saw from Chicago before the game, and the takeover when we got here, you know that played a role in this game. We never felt like it was so much of a road game. Our quarterback was able to go on his own cadence, which you don’t usually get to do on the road, definitely don’t get to do on the road in the SEC, the fanbase don’t let you do that. We were able to go on ours and I think a lot of it had to do with the red and black in the stadium.”
"“I tell you what I’m proud of, I’m proud of our fans, proud of the fact that they came out,” Georgia head coach Kirby Smart said. “Tons of them were here. The video shots I saw from Chicago before the game, and the takeover when we got here, you know that played a role in this game. We never felt like it was so much of a road game. Our quarterback was able to go on his own cadence, which you don’t usually get to do on the road, definitely don’t get to do on the road in the SEC, the fanbase don’t let you do that. We were able to go on ours and I think a lot of it had to do with the red and black in the stadium.”
