Hartman deep ball in practice

[Golson5]

What ability?

3 starts vs not good defenses last year and he did not do good … somehow pyne was better

5tds in his last game. First game was insane situation. 2nd game team came out flat (poss freeman or human nature fault) but OL stunk, wrs stunk at that time, didnt give Estime the ball enough at that point

His running ability will always be there. You saw some passes tbat were beautiful against scar. Give him 10 months of work and he'll be ready to go against Ohio

 

[Golson5]

Hartman is the best QB besides Williams of teams we face.

Right now. In 6 months, doubtful. Give me the talent of those guys vs the experience of Hartman. Hope I'm wrong

 

[mirer03]

Lol that was like 42 yards

And it's practice with no pads. Apparently the ball barely got the ground for any QB today.

Priceless over reaction

 

[mirer03]

What ability?

3 starts vs not good defenses last year and he did not do good … somehow pyne was better

And back on ignore

 

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

You know it's the off-season when this board gets into squabble about a single deep pass rep from spring practice.

 

[tbonesays]

Beautiful ball placement at 30 seconds and Colzie makes a very good move on The Ben Morrison. Not easy to do on Ben Mo.

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Yeah, that catch looked like a special effect.

 

[d1042]

I agree, but as Golson stated, there are individuals on here talking about him like he's going to win the Heisman and he's a 1st round pick. Let's temper the expectations. The competition he brings is great for Buchner, Minchey, and Angeli, but he's not some elite QB as some posters want to believe.

yep, but as for NFL, that is another league and another team- this guy is a college QB! He looks to be elite at the college level. That is where ND plays.

 

[echowaker]

You know it's the off-season when this board gets into squabble about a single deep pass rep from spring practice.

Yeah, where's Allen Iverson when you need him...

 

[Notre Dame du Lac]

And back on ignore

 

[Pennick4]

He's a 6th year transfer, lol. If he was as good as you think he is, he would have declared for the draft. Even Book was done after 5 and got drafted. 😂

I won't be shocked if Buchner beats him out.

You have a better chance of being the starter.

 

[Kelso86]

Completely agree. The problem is people are talking about him like he's an elite and hes just going to be given the job and he is some savior. So other people then have to push back.

I prefer Buchner and want the ND guy to win the job and live up to his potential, but if Hartman is the real better QB and not handed the job, I'll be okay with that. But he better be markedly better. If we go 9 and 3 with Hartman and waste a whole year of development of Buchner and the others it will be a wasted year to me

"The problem is people are talking about him like he's an elite and hes just going to be given the job and he is some savior."

I don't think people saw him as "elite" (in the way you would define Fields, Lawrence, Stroud...and others) -- and there are realistic people who know it will be a battle between he and Buchner. But, what people see in him (Hartman) is his ability to throw the ball downfield, which, ND has really struggled to do over the last 3-4 years for the most part. Wimbush had an arm, but could not hit the broadside of the barn if he was standing next to it. Book was decent to good -- especially in the short to medium range. Coan was good in some ways, but lacked mobility. Pyne -- see Book (with less mobility).

You are correct, Buchner does need to develop and show the potential we all think he has. The bowl game showed what he is capable of. However; his decision making needs to improve drastically (multiple pick 6's in a game will not cut it).

 

[burmafrd1943]

Lol hes said and others have said heisman possibility absolutely

Buchner has shown the ability, just gotta stay healthy. Ability isn't the issue

Your idol has only shown that he can throw multiple pick 6's.
But then since you are always wrong this thread relieves any doubt that Hartman is our guy this year
TB is where he belongs; backup and nothing else

 

[Get Nasty]

Doubtful. Give me the talent

We had the better qb last year over Clemson, and that was frichan pyne lol

 

[Get Nasty]

5tds in his last game. First game was insane situation. 2nd game team came out flat (poss freeman or human nature fault) but OL stunk, wrs stunk at that time, didnt give Estime the ball enough at that point

His running ability will always be there. You saw some passes tbat were beautiful against scar. Give him 10 months of work and he'll be ready to go against Ohio

We said that going into last year and it wasn’t true

I hope he improves immensely, but freeman keeps saying decision making from qb. No way they trust Buchner over Hartman as he’s shown his lack of good decision making over and over , especially in the last game he played.

They need him to develop so qb competition for 24 is good. I was as high in Buchner as anyone, until he changed his throwing motion.

 

[Golson5]

We had the better qb last year over Clemson, and that was frichan pyne lol

They dont have DJ anynore lol

 

[Golson5]

We said that going into last year and it wasn’t true

I hope he improves immensely, but freeman keeps saying decision making from qb. No way they trust Buchner over Hartman as he’s shown his lack of good decision making over and over , especially in the last game he played.

They need him to develop so qb competition for 24 is good. I was as high in Buchner as anyone, until he changed his throwing motion.

No we didnt. He got no real experience. Just part time reps in a package. He got put into a terrible situation to start the year

 

[Get Nasty]

They dont have DJ anynore lol

Their guy threw a pass last year vs us and it was brutal, got picked

 

[Kelso86]

No we didnt. He got no real experience. Just part time reps in a package. He got put into a terrible situation to start the year

"He got put into a terrible situation to start the year"

Any of ND's QB's would have been a terrible situation last year -- especially beginning a season iin a very hostile territory.

Even though Buchner -- using your words -- having "just part time reps in a package" was pretty much more experience than any other QB on the roster combined.

Buchner is an athlete - no doubt about it. But, he still needs a lot of work.

 

[Golson5]

Their guy threw a pass last year vs us and it was brutal, got picked

I remember Peyton Manning and every other qb thats ever lived throw ints. Great point

Sam Hartman threw 6 ints and 2 or 3 were pick 6s in a 2 game span last year against teams and defenses that werent as good as ours. So great point.

 

[Golson5]

"He got put into a terrible situation to start the year"

Any of ND's QB's would have been a terrible situation last year -- especially beginning a season iin a very hostile territory.

Even though Buchner -- using your words -- having "just part time reps in a package" was pretty much more experience than any other QB on the roster combined.

Buchner is an athlete - no doubt about it. But, he still needs a lot of work.

Of course he does. Thats what spring, summer, fall camp and the first 2 games against easy comp is for

 

[echowaker]

"He got put into a terrible situation to start the year"

Any of ND's QB's would have been a terrible situation last year -- especially beginning a season iin a very hostile territory.

Even though Buchner -- using your words -- having "just part time reps in a package" was pretty much more experience than any other QB on the roster combined.

Buchner is an athlete - no doubt about it. But, he still needs a lot of work.

Other than an injury to Hartman I can't envision any scenario where Buchner would start. They didn't offer Hartman to compete for the job. It's his unless he gets hurt. Period.

 

[burmafrd1943]

Other than an injury to Hartman I can't envision any scenario where Buchner would start. They didn't offer Hartman to compete for the job. It's his unless he gets hurt. Period.

Yeah, but the board morons keep right on living in their fantasy world as regards TB.
The guy has had time to learn to do better and has not shown any progress.
We cannot afford to have him starting next year. Simply cannot.

 

[Golson5]

Other than an injury to Hartman I can't envision any scenario where Buchner would start. They didn't offer Hartman to compete for the job. It's his unless he gets hurt. Period.

I think for the most part everyone agrees with that. I think people don't think that's the way it should go though. Best player should play regardless what you did in the wake forest bubble

Should be an open competition and if Hartman wins it, then he wins out outright. No problem. Handing him the job for what he did at Wake, nah. Thats weak

 

[burmafrd1943]

I think for the most part everyone agrees with that. I think people don't think that's the way it should go though. Best player should play regardless what you did in the wake forest bubble

Should be an open competition and if Hartman wins it, then he wins out outright. No problem. Handing him the job for what he did at Wake, nah. Thats weak

Handing TB the job after all the crap he did would be worse.

 

[Notre Dame du Lac]

I think for the most part everyone agrees with that. I think people don't think that's the way it should go though. Best player should play regardless what you did in the wake forest bubble

Should be an open competition and if Hartman wins it, then he wins out outright. No problem. Handing him the job for what he did at Wake, nah. Thats weak

Nobody thinks he should be handed the job. It’s just nobody thinks Buchner will beat him.

 

[BGI User 1596]

Both guys will play and contribute to an outstanding season!

 

[Golson5]

Handing TB the job after all the crap he did would be worse.

No one should be handed the job.

 

[Golson5]

Nobody thinks he should be handed the job. It’s just nobody thinks Buchner will beat him.

Most people think he will be given the job

 

[Pennick4]

Other than an injury to Hartman I can't envision any scenario where Buchner would start. They didn't offer Hartman to compete for the job. It's his unless he gets hurt. Period.

I think Hartman could win the job throwing left handed.

 

[Get Nasty]

I remember Peyton Manning and every other qb thats ever lived throw ints. Great point

Sam Hartman threw 6 ints and 2 or 3 were pick 6s in a 2 game span last year against teams and defenses that werent as good as ours. So great point.

He threw 1, can’t find the 2nd if there is a second in his last 1000 pass attempts. You know how many pass attempts it’s taken Buchner to throw 4? 118

 

[Get Nasty]

I think for the most part everyone agrees with that. I think people don't think that's the way it should go though. Best player should play regardless what you did in the wake forest bubble

Should be an open competition and if Hartman wins it, then he wins out outright. No problem. Handing him the job for what he did at Wake, nah. Thats weak

It should not be an open competition unless Hartman is injured or has a mental breakdown. Hartman should be getting as many reps as possible joining a new program. Yea Buchner needs reps too but not some even competition

Buchner was awful last year and Hartman was one of the top 10ish qbs in the country.

What’s weak is not what Hartman did at wake, what’s weak is what Buchner has done at ND.

 

[Get Nasty]

Handing TB the job after all the crap he did would be worse.

Or even giving him even competition. Hartman needs to build chemistry

 

[Get Nasty]

No one should be handed the job.

He’s already earned it, he can only un earn it

 

[Golson5]

He threw 1, can’t find the 2nd if there is a second in his last 1000 pass attempts. You know how many pass attempts it’s taken Buchner to throw 4? 118

He threw 2pick 6s in the Louisville game, come on. It was part of a 6 ints, 2 pick6s two game stretch

 

[Golson5]

It should not be an open competition unless Hartman is injured or has a mental breakdown. Hartman should be getting as many reps as possible joining a new program. Yea Buchner needs reps too but not some even competition

Buchner was awful last year and Hartman was one of the top 10ish qbs in the country.

What’s weak is not what Hartman did at wake, what’s weak is what Buchner has done at ND.

Absolutely should be a competition.

 

[Golson5]

He’s already earned it, he can only un earn it

He hasnt done a thing at Notre Dame. And playong in a gimmicky offense in a fish bowl at Wake with zero pressure doesn't earn him anything here

 

[Get Nasty]

He threw 2pick 6s in the Louisville game, come on. It was part of a 6 ints, 2 pick6s two game stretch

Yeah my mistake there, read it was Mitch that threw second one but it rams Hartman, so 2 in 1000 throws lol

 

[Golson5]

Yeah my mistake there, read it was Mitch that threw second one but it rams Hartman, so 2 in 1000 throws lol

Yeah Ian Book didn't throw a lot of ints either.

 

[Get Nasty]

Yeah Ian Book didn't throw a lot of ints either.

Correct, or throws downfield or over the middle or under pressure

To me Hartman doesn’t have to learn stuff ability wise, he needs to learn he doesn’t have to carry the team and there will be much much easier throws to make that can go big due to weapons and rbs and oline

 

[Golson5]

Correct, or throws downfield or over the middle or under pressure

To me Hartman doesn’t have to learn stuff ability wise, he needs to learn he doesn’t have to carry the team and there will be much much easier throws to make that can go big due to weapons and rbs and oline

Books td to att ratio is almost the same as Hartman and Book was much more accurate and a better runner.

And he did it with a lot more pressure and in a real offense. We'll see how Hartman adjusts to a regular offense and not a slow mesh. And the pressure of playing at ND