All of that can be stopped very quickly. Suspend players that are involved for the playoffs or bowl games. It'll be over in a heartbeat.
Flag Plantings
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They certainly could suspend players who were demonstrated to have violated the law this weekend. Plenty of video evidence available. Of course, we might lose 99 for a game for his moronic face mask punch, so I think you have to recognize that these rivalries generate some otherwise out of character behavior. Setting some standards and guidelines for the future makes sense.
I think your suggestion is a good one for next year.
I think your suggestion is a good one for next year.
Besides the fist fighting.
I dont mind the flag planting. It is a college football type tradition just like storming the field.
Idk. Seems kinda petty , fine the school if you want but to me it’s a rivalry thing.
Jmo.
If you can’t stand to see it. Win the game
I dont mind the flag planting. It is a college football type tradition just like storming the field.
Idk. Seems kinda petty , fine the school if you want but to me it’s a rivalry thing.
Jmo.
If you can’t stand to see it. Win the game
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By planting a flag on the other team's field, you know what's going to happen thereafter. The other team isn't going to stand by and watch. So, essentially you're inviting a fight.
Players get an unsportsmanlike penalty for taunting. This is no different, other than the game is over and they feel they can get away with it.
Every sport has taunting rules for obvious reasons. The whole just win the game & it wont happen argument is missing the point.
Are we allowed to boo when the opposing team comes out or is that too mean also ?
Let me ask you this.
Let's say your rival opponent from HS lives across the street. They beat your old team and the neighbor plants their flag in your yard.
How long do you leave it there?
24 hours then it’ll come down.
BUT
Next season if we win
My flag is going to be planted on his yard in the same fashion.
And I’d expect the same reciprocity or I’d say he’s a sore loser.
To me it’s not that big of a deal. But to others it is I guess. Personally if I was a coach I wouldn’t let my players do it simply because it provides motivation for next time and we’re looking to win all of our games not some.
If we’re specifically talking about the Ohio st vs Mich game I think it’s been a thing for a while. Bragging rights if you will. Not saying it’s right but I don’t feel there needs to be some “rule “ against it.
Jmo.
It's weak. Coaches can/should stop it.
It wasn’t just OSU Michigan, it happened in multiple other games with predictable results. If allowed to continue it will likely escalate and the game doesn’t need it
Great post pennick.
My point is exactly that. The coaches should be the ones regulating it. Not The NCAA.
In a rivalry like Mich vs Ohio st it’s become somewhat of a tradition. That’s what I meant when I said I didn’t mind it.
Absolutely. Probably a couple. lol.
Its a darn football game and we love to be competitive and be proud when we win. Nothing more.
My neighbor across the street hangs his Ohio St flag every game day as I hang my ND flag.
We both look at each other. Give a thumbs up and keep on keepin on.
And when we lost last time to Ohio st he was the first to call me over for a beer to discuss how great of a game it was. Etc.
I love college football. !!!!
Healthy jovial rivalries amongst neighbors is a whole lot different than what happens on the field in these games.
We all wholeheartedly endorse Marcus when he speaks of going into the game with violence. It is necessary.
These guys are not about to sit down with each other in the immediate aftermath and have a cold one. Agree with OP
We all wholeheartedly endorse Marcus when he speaks of going into the game with violence. It is necessary.
These guys are not about to sit down with each other in the immediate aftermath and have a cold one. Agree with OP
I’m not in favor of flag planting. Win with class. These games get heated I get it. Lots of talking and bravado during the game. But win or lose the game has ended. Shake hands and simply go to the locker room. Sportsmanship is not taught anymore. It’s win at all costs. It’s rub it in the opponent’s face when they lose. I hate that. As much as I dislike SC , they respect ND and vice versa. Neither team wants to lose. But in all the years watching ND/SC , both teams always meet at midfield and shake hands. I’m sure the SC players were not happy but they handled it with dignity as did ND being on the winning side this time around. I don’t believe these two schools “ hate” each other. When both meet it’s always special. I hope the best rivalry in college football never ends. Next to Army / Navy , ND/SC is what college football’s is all about.
Flag planting has to go. It actually brought back another not so fond memory for me.
Remember the Navy player that took a chunk of our grass sod about 20 years ago?
Remember the Navy player that took a chunk of our grass sod about 20 years ago?
Maybe. But I thought a Navy player did it too after they finally beat us after 40 years
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I think you are right about Navy. But the first team to do that was FSU when they beat us during the Faust years.
I remember one year when BC beat us, their players smashed toilet fixtures in their locker room. My response to that would have been to remove all the fixtures the next time they came to play us or even easier, just let them use their team bus for a locker room.
Two schools of thought. #1 don't do it #2 play better Same applies for late scores. On top of the flag planting, you had Locksley of Maryland, get pissed off at Franklin & PSU for punching in a late score.
In 1970 when WVU & Bobby Bowden punched in late score on William & Mary & Lou Holtz in a 43-7 win. Coach Holtz got pissed off at Coach Bowden, and Bobby Bowden gave him the following advice. Don't try to coach 2 teams, you coach yours and I'll coach mine.
2 seaons later in the 1972 Peach Bowl NC State & Lou Holtz were beating WVU and Bobby Bowden by multiple scores in the 4th quarter. NC State still went for an onside kick, recovered and punched in another score to make the final score 49-13. Both men met at midfield and had a good laugh. College Football along with the rest of society has become way too sensitive and pridful.
In 1970 when WVU & Bobby Bowden punched in late score on William & Mary & Lou Holtz in a 43-7 win. Coach Holtz got pissed off at Coach Bowden, and Bobby Bowden gave him the following advice. Don't try to coach 2 teams, you coach yours and I'll coach mine.
2 seaons later in the 1972 Peach Bowl NC State & Lou Holtz were beating WVU and Bobby Bowden by multiple scores in the 4th quarter. NC State still went for an onside kick, recovered and punched in another score to make the final score 49-13. Both men met at midfield and had a good laugh. College Football along with the rest of society has become way too sensitive and pridful.
I’m not a fan of it. It’s tacky and dumb.
I think a more pressing issue is storming the field before the game has ended. So dumb. You’re an idiot if you can’t make sure the game has ended. I think the schools and perhaps even lawmakers should do more to prevent this. Just make it a strictly forbidden thing. Fines issued, especially if the game hadn’t ended. You deserve to be fined because you’re stupid, but it’s also a safety issue and garbage to delay the game because you’re dumb.
Throwing trash on the field too. Safety issue and just dumb.
I think a more pressing issue is storming the field before the game has ended. So dumb. You’re an idiot if you can’t make sure the game has ended. I think the schools and perhaps even lawmakers should do more to prevent this. Just make it a strictly forbidden thing. Fines issued, especially if the game hadn’t ended. You deserve to be fined because you’re stupid, but it’s also a safety issue and garbage to delay the game because you’re dumb.
Throwing trash on the field too. Safety issue and just dumb.
Flag planting is an absolute bitch move. I don't know who thought of it, and I don't think it should have any special penalty and get you banned for a playoff game. But wtf, why would the home team who just lost a brutal rivalry game just allow themselves to be insulted like that, like wtf? Who would even think to do something like that? That's like bordering on weirdo male-dominance martial sadistic shit. We live in a civilized society. This is not the age of the Vikings, or the Visigoths. So don't plant your like school's school flag at the fifty yard line after the big rivalry win, like you just vanquished some warring tribe and now the plundering is going to begin, hide the women and children.
The rampant storming of the field also sucks. Everyone once in a while, with a truly epic win, like Vandy beating Bama ranked #1 is one thing. But it does suck when it happens over every pretty big win. LSU stormed the field after beating Ole Miss. Even though Ole Miss is the little brother in that rivalry and they barely finished higher than LSU did. It's cheapening the tradition is what it's doing, and it's going to lose all meaning very soon. And morph into some predicable 'madness of crowds' type phenomenon.
I guess I am both old and old school, but I find flag planting to be disrespectful. And it simply invites brawls of the kind we witnessed yesterday in Columbus. Win the game and win with class.
The whole Catholics vs Convicts rivalry started because Miami ran it up. Let's not do the back in our day bs. The reason stuff like this had to be stopped was because it led to brawls and ugly scenes.
To me it shows a lack of class. From what I have read on the OSU forum the teams/fans really, really, hate each other. So planting a flag is certainly going to provoke a fight. Day just stood by and watched for an eternity and made no effort to get his players off the field. It was obviously escalating at that point. The game is over; if you hit someone after that it's assault.
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Michigan has been the biggest offender. They provoked the fight with MSU then cried they wanted charges filed and this at OSU where they acted like OSU was in the wrong. I truly subscribe to the lil jon philosophy of dont start no sh!t wont be no sh!t but in true Michigan Man fashion they asked for the smoke got the smoke & then like the fvckboys they are bitched when they got their ass kicked.
Yes, to me this is a coaching issue. And maybe a team captain issue, too. Those in charge cannot let this kind of stuff happen.
I cannot imagine a Nick Saban coached team trying to plant the flag on their opponent's 50-yard line. He just wouldn't let it happen. They were disciplined and well coached, before and after the game. And I have serious doubts that Lou Holtz would have ever let something like that happen, setting aside the brawl in the tunnel with Miami.
I may be misreading him, but I suspect Marcus Freeman would be very unhappy if one of his teams ever tried to plant the ND flag at midfield after beating an opponent. I just don't see it ever happening.
I am not a fan of Ryan Day, but I can understand how his team took umbrage at what UM did yesterday. It was disrespectful and classless. Sherrone Moore should be ashamed of what happened.
I’m shocked I’m in the minority here but the idea that planting a flag must be banned seems so soft. It’s a flag…. Nobody is getting in anyone’s face. MSU planted a flag at ND in 2005 and we didn’t need the police, we simply beat them at MSU in 2006.
Maybe we should ban doing the first down sign during the game since that could incite violence too… I mean what are we talking about here.
Maybe we should ban doing the first down sign during the game since that could incite violence too… I mean what are we talking about here.
Yes. the Irish won at MSU in 2006 and MSU linemen stood guard at midfield to prevent a silly preconceived idea that the Irish would stoop to their level and try to plant a flag.
Not a fan of flag planting. Take the celebration to the locker room.
Time and place. Heated rivalry. Police with pepper spray to break it up. Maybe not good clean fun.
Not being a fan of it is one thing. People arguing to have it “banned” is another.
