Moore's win in Alabama proves that the Brand is bigger than Trump himself. Just keep draining the swamp even if Trump gets drained with it.
ESPN treated the Trump tweets like the Kennedy assasination.
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Moore's win in Alabama proves that the Brand is bigger than Trump himself. Just keep draining the swamp even if Trump gets drained with it.
It is NOT their First Amendment Right. It is specifically forbidden by the NFL labor agreement. If you work for Ford, P&G, Cigna, Palmolive or other major corporation and stand up at your desk and spout your political agenda, you will be fired. You should really understand about what you speak before blathering forth.
If 70% of the players are black as you state, doesn't that make their action racist in itself.
You sure about that? If their actions are "forbidden by the NFL labor agreement," several owners are not only allowing the players to do this, but are actively joining the players.
As for your other claim that, if you work for a major corporation, but "spout your political agenda, you will be fired" I have worked for some corporations, both large and small, and employees regularly discussed politics, wore political buttons, and otherwise spouted their "political agenda" at work. None were reprimanded at all, much less fired. In fact, I don't think I have ever worked anywhere where politics was not discussed regularly.
If said employee was voicing or demonstrating to show their belief.....
And it put the company into a derogatory light or it cost the company sales directly or indirectly, then you bet your ass they'd be dismissed.
You're talking about employee gibberish amongst other employees. Once it would become disruptive to the profit of the company you better believe they'd be shown the door.
Exactly where the NFL owner is now. This will ultimately hurt their business. They may not care short term because the huge TV contract was already signed. Season tickets already sold. At some point though this have an impact and if the selfish action of said employee continues bye bye
Simply wrong. I am a CPA and have worked at a few companies. I know I wouldn't be allowed to wear a MAGA/Anti-Abortion hat or tie at any of these firms. Now maybe a Mexican Flag or a Planned Parenthood tie would be allowed, but I doubt it.
Yeah people discuss politics at work but you don't do it or advertise it in front of clients. When you are in a service business you can't afford to offend a potential 50 % of your client base.
Then it's not simply wrong. By your own admission, some politically tinged things are allowed at work. I can't imagine that, even at an accounting firm, a button promoting candidate A for president would be grounds for termination.
Again you are wrong. Interactions between staff are totally different than what any business wants presented to the general public. If I had a Trump Button on my suit I would be in violation of the firm's stated dress code and subject to discipline including dismissal. While companies like Hobby Lobby, etc may present a public political stance, most want their public presence to be neutral. Sorry if you don't believe it.
No, I am not wrong. As you again admit, political speech is OK with some employers. So you can't make the blanket statement that every employee at every job would be fired for political speech.
The prior poster said that, if you stand at your desk and spout your political agenda, you would be fired. That statement is not true. I don't believe it because I have personally observed people wearing political buttons and espousing political beliefs at work, without retribution.
Perhaps that's why you state working at companies as in plural....
Because if they permit the behavior you suggest I can't see them being in business very long so kudos to you for finding more work so quickly.
Any company that allows it's employees to make political statements to its paying customers.....outside of MSNBC, Fox, CNN..the normal Bill Maher, Hannity...
But real make the world go round companies that absolutely NEED sales to survive would never have racism, selfish political propaganda, etc.
It's Not just bad business but Business suicide.
Water cooler gibberish yes...political statements to paying customers...no
https://knpr.org/npr/2017-08/presid...MI0Zz13Z_I1gIVBwOGCh2AggXfEAAYASAAEgJ7UfD_BwE
It's all wrapped up in President Trump issue of executive clemency of Sheriff Arpaio? At least he wasn't serving a life sentence like the 500 Obama pardoned.
"I guess you can if you are Arpaio." Your quote.
It's all wrapped up in President Trump issue of executive clemency of Sheriff Arpaio? At least he wasn't serving a life sentence like the 500 Obama pardoned.
"I guess you can if you are Arpaio." Your quote.
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This is all so ridiculous. America was founded on revolutionary thought and all Americans have an obligation to raise questions when we see wrong.
While some here may disagree this protest IS NOT about dishonor to our flag or does not diminish the sacrifice many have made, it celebrates those very things because as they fought to give us our right to protest in a civil manner and our founding fathers would agree with the manner we see this protest.
I have a flag on my house, children on active duty and respect and love this country as much or more than anyone here, so please attack elsewhere and read a bit of American history.
While some here may disagree this protest IS NOT about dishonor to our flag or does not diminish the sacrifice many have made, it celebrates those very things because as they fought to give us our right to protest in a civil manner and our founding fathers would agree with the manner we see this protest.
I have a flag on my house, children on active duty and respect and love this country as much or more than anyone here, so please attack elsewhere and read a bit of American history.
You're entitled to your opinion. It is disgraceful and the majority of Americans feel that way.
No one is arguing the right to protest or disagree. However those rights do not apply in a workplace environment. As a boss I expect my employees to be working when they are on my dime and following my rules for workplace decorum, dress etc. What they do on their own time is their business. If they choose to use my time to do political protests I have a right to fire them.
Question...Should the right to protest include the right to block streets and highways that hinder your ability to get to work or worse get to a hospital in an emergency? Freedom of speech and expression should not be allowed to decend into complete anarchy or we might as well just forget the whole "civilization" concept.
You guys are SO GAY for Trump. You should just refer to him as Daddy on this website. We'll know who you are talking about. Or better yet let's just stick to football and you guys can all start your own private chat room where you don't have to hold back so much.
Big, huge, tax cut for the rich. Big, big cuts for the Trump family and his hedge fund manager friends. Nothing for the middle class and the poor will see taxes increase. Don't believe the lies. Look at the facts of this tax plan. It s a boondoggle for the wealthy in this country (the people who least need a tax break are getting a 3% decrease. And homeowners in NJ and NY are gonna take a big hit when they can't write off state and local taxes.
Rich get richer and...
...And the deficit goes up, up, up. Put a flag on that. The rich are forcing us to our knees.
Rich get richer and...
...And the deficit goes up, up, up. Put a flag on that. The rich are forcing us to our knees.
The problem with your version of events is that the NFL leadership and most owners agree with the players as it does not effect their efforts or the product they produce. Rather than castigate these players they should be listened to as their intention is to allow peaceful protest on a very large stage to make a difference.
As to blocking streets and much f the other nonsense that goes with protest I disagree with those tactics, yet I should remind you that most disagreeded with those who staged the Boston Tea Party and Muhammad Ali.
Wrong.
A doubling of the standard deduction will be a boon to a significant number of lower income people that have never been able to itemize.
Lower corporate taxes and a repatriation of overseas cash will allow for larger dividends and more jobs . The rich will have more investment income to pay tax on and thus will pay more actual tax.
I live in CA which has just as high individual taxes as NY so the loss of a state income tax deduction will hurt. But consider that a very large number of the 1% live in CA and NY and will thus be paying higher federal taxes without the state income tax deduction.
You lefties love to pontificate but are too lazy to actually look at the numbers. The national debt doubled in 8 years of Obama but you're worried now??
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NFL attendance and viewership is down so the owners are going to see that this crap does affect their bottom line eventually. Then they will renegotiate the CBA and institute team rules against this behavior. These players have no more right to a public forum than you or I do. If the Owners want to let them protest, so be it. If no one watches the games that will change, as it should..
Re the Boston Tea Party, I guess you are saying that if everyone comes around to the Antifa/BLM/Socialist POV eventually then all is forgiven for whatever disruptive behavior occurs now. I hope you are that forgiving if a family member doesn't get to a hospital in time because these clowns decide to riot between your house and the nearest hospital.
BTW Ali exercised his rights and paid a price. I admire him for it but he did not destroy any property or interfere with anyone else's daily lives. He took his stand and he took the consequences. He was a great man.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Thank you James Madison (prompted by Thomas Jefferson to write the bill of rights, Madison at first didn't think it necessary.)
Just finished Lynne Cheney's book on Madison. he was a great man. Not as good a book as Chernow's Hamilton book, Chernow's Washington book is also great, after reading I have a renewed and complete respect for Washington's service (the guy gave his whole life to the US) and his part in making our country (he always felt a bit less than because he was in the Brit Army and couldn't go to college), or McCulloughs really great Adams book, but better than Meachem on Jefferson (I liked Ellis' "American Spinx better), currently reading Meachem's American Lion about Andrew Jackson...
Just trying to go back and figure out what makes a great American President. The thing that seems to keep coming up is a thirst of knowledge and education. I recently read a Meachem article talking about how Kennedy (after bay of pigs) doubled down on his reading -- and got himself outside the CIA bubble -- and played the missile crisis exactly the way it needed to be played. Because he educated himself and changed the way he made policy!
Madison again:
"Knowledge will forever govern ignorance; and a people who mean to be their own governors must arm themselves with the power which knowledge gives."
I think our current President needs to go the library.
There is a huge deal of debate on all of this. Let's see what bill actually passes before we make grandiose predictions.
Attendance and viewership, generally, are down across the board for all sports.
A Green Beret who also believes in the right to protest :
http://www.businessinsider.com/army-veteran-nfl-players-kneeling-during-national-anthem-trump-2017-9
http://www.businessinsider.com/army-veteran-nfl-players-kneeling-during-national-anthem-trump-2017-9
As a CPA I understand this. However the concept that a doubling of the standard deduction will generate significant tax relief on lower and middle class taxpayers is beyond debate. Also what is not debatable is that the US has the highest corporate taxes in the world. Most liberals argue that lowering the corporate tax rate is effectively lowering the taxes on the rich, when in fact this is untrue. It will create higher dividends to the rich but also to many middle class taxpayers that have their retirement assets invested in stocks. Ultimately this will lead to a greater amount of actual taxes collected.
Not a homophobe or on the left, snowflake. But I don't worship your Daddy like you do.. Haha your avatar is like the inside of High School girls locker. This is a football forum.
The President says they should be fired if they continue to peacefully protest. That could broadly be classified as "questioning".
No. If he said they should be arrested by public law enforcement, THAT would be questioning their right to protest. Being fired by a private employer is not hindering your right to protest, it's a ramification of your protest.
For what it's worth, I find it somewhat troublesome when a President encourages (and even demands) that a private citizen get fired by his or her employer based on speech.
He can voice his opinion. Nobody has to agree with it.
It's not the speech..
It's the demonstration on the stage.
And it does really go back to the moronic thinking here.
These idiots want to protest a song representing this country. The very country that they enjoy making insane sums of money to play a GAME.
How about this....if you want to use that platform to protest then how about playing for free. I'll trade that. You kneel when you'd like but play for free.
Deal?
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