Where did you get that idea? A few may have felt shackled by the mandate, but that's how insurance operates. It's the socially responsible thing to do and it covers larger risk pools. You do know that Obamacare was a soinoff of Republican thinking, right? First Romneycare and earlier models devised by neoconservatives.
ESPN leftist Kellerman says NFL (and all sports) inject politics into sports
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I'm assuming it's a tongue in cheek reference to something Paul Ryan said (I believe) last week--that those who are "losing" health insurance are actually "choosing" not to purchase it (in the same way, I suppose, that I "choose" to not buy a Maserati I don't have money for).
There's a lot of truth to that, but I think there's also the issue of the young and affluent having a sense of immortality and not believing that the need to buy health insurance applies to them....until something suddenly happens.
That's a problem. And then they want to be able to buy insurance and have it covered as a pre-existing condition, which is BS. Historically, "pre-existing condition" was in reference to people who changed jobs, from one which had insurance coverage to another which has insurance coverage, and wanted to make sure that the medicine or treatment they were already receiving would continue to be covered by the new insurer. It was so people didn't get imprisoned in a job by virtue of a healthcare reason. Now, uninsured people want to be able to buy insurance and get covered for what illness or ailment they already have, under the guise of pre-existing conditions. It's a totally different situation.
I purchase good health insurance as most everyone else can/should.
You want to order the Lobster roll and stick everyone else with the bill.
Yes, the issue is called "pension portability," and so many don't appreciate its necessity.
I alluded to the quote attributed to Paul Ryan. He likes to rationalize imaginary attitudes to fit his narrative.
Sorry, I have good insurance and am happy to be able to escape the mess proposed by the Republican proposal. There is no lobster roll in their offering...it's all cockroach.
"What am I being defensive of"?
Pretty obvious that you are being defensive of ESPN. To retrace the steps of this thread:
Someone posts about how Kellerman thinks we shouldn't have to stand during the national anthem. I comment on that and 'know-it-all 1' tells me that I can't comment on it cuz I don't watch the station. He then (along w/ 'know-it-all 2', that being yourself) asks me "why does it bother you if you don't watch the station"? That's dumb. If your panties are in a wad because people rip into ESPN for turning into the liberal sports arm of the media, that's on you. I know it's in your DNA being liberals, but you two don't get to tell me that I can't opine on comments made by commentators on a station I don't watch when said commentator says something that comes to my attention in a thread or a link. Typical liberals, you tell everyone else how to think and feel, and when they don't, you try and devalue and delegitimize their opinion by calling them names. You may love ESPN, I think it sucks now, but that doesn't mean I'm "very defensive and aggravated". That's what you two know-it-alls were when I said F ESPN.
Pretty obvious that you are being defensive of ESPN. To retrace the steps of this thread:
Someone posts about how Kellerman thinks we shouldn't have to stand during the national anthem. I comment on that and 'know-it-all 1' tells me that I can't comment on it cuz I don't watch the station. He then (along w/ 'know-it-all 2', that being yourself) asks me "why does it bother you if you don't watch the station"? That's dumb. If your panties are in a wad because people rip into ESPN for turning into the liberal sports arm of the media, that's on you. I know it's in your DNA being liberals, but you two don't get to tell me that I can't opine on comments made by commentators on a station I don't watch when said commentator says something that comes to my attention in a thread or a link. Typical liberals, you tell everyone else how to think and feel, and when they don't, you try and devalue and delegitimize their opinion by calling them names. You may love ESPN, I think it sucks now, but that doesn't mean I'm "very defensive and aggravated". That's what you two know-it-alls were when I said F ESPN.
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Really dumb statement. Should we not care about the immense left wing bias in mainstream media because we do not watch it (given the bias)? This bias impacts many people including children that watch, so they are important whether we watch or not.
LOL you've made your view abundantly clear. I bet you're privately clinging to the birther belief.
I thought you've post sometime ago you were "on here to talk football, other sports, and then entertainment"
I guess you can't help yourself
BTW the ACA was give a chance to succeed It was designed to fail to open the door for single payer
I was responding to a guy who made a rather extreme remark. Sorry if that bothers you to the point where you had to interject your opinion. You're the one who should exercise discipline to restrain yourself.
You're wrong about the ACA on two fronts:
1. It was never given a chance, as it was perpetually challenged by Republicans, who proclaimed making Obama a one-term President was the primary goal of the party.
2, The ACA was a compromise between single payer and private health insurance, as it implemented the public option. The ACA (Obamacare) was based on Romneycare, which you may recall was a Republican initiative.
Not everything that works on a state level can be as effective on a national level. Romneycare was a Massachusetts program.
Given that the ACA was resisted from the getgo, we might never know. Yet, as you acknowledge, Obamacare and Romneycare were based on the same model. Romney looked ridiculous during his presidential run playing down his health initiative while Youtube videos contradicted him.
It didn't bother me at all.
I'm not part of the Evergreen University crowd
You are wrong because the ACA was law.
Regardless what the Republicans were saying it was law.
It was failed from the beginning why else do you think all the problems with the ACA we're back loaded near the end of President Obama's tenure, and all the good things on the front end?
And let's not forget about that wonderful roll out.
Go back when the ACA was implemented and read how was doom for failure from the experts in the field.
If the ACA was infact based on Romneycare and Romneycare failed what does that tell you about yours and, their thinking there?
You big government people crack me up.
Romney and President Obama both look ridiculous.
YouTube videos also contradict President Obama on many occasions
Do you need the quotes for research or do you remember the lies as well
The primary reason Romneycare failed was that it was mismanaged from the start. It began in the face of a severe recession and his gubernatorial successor, dumbass Deval Patrick, to combat rising health costs, implemented price controls and a concerted effort at restricted provider networks, in effect steering patients away from quality hospitals and bribing people to receive cheaper care. Despite the decline in quality and access, the health care coverage was expanded. So yes, Romneycare failed, but not because of any major intrinsic flaws in the concept. Obamacare learned from this.
BTW, your comment on the backloading and frontloading of Obamacare is wrong.
LMAO!!!! You sure picked the wrong Administration, and certainly the wrong day, to talk about lies.
What lies? Where are the lies?Who's lying? Do you know something deeper than the rest of us? LMAO!
So if Romneycare failed because of being mismanaged why is the ACA failing?
If the Republican lead Congress was to do nothing with Healthcare and just let this play out it would fail just as the way it was designed to.
And my comment about the good stuff being applied at the beginning and the bad stuff being applied at the end or 110% correct
The idea that Obamacare is failing is largely a concoction of frenzied rightwing posturing. Here's a reputable source that should give you pause to think.
http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-obamacare-succeeding-20160621-snap-story.html
What was the joke about Republicans upon trying to tackle Obamacare repeal and replace? They thought Medicaid was a sports drink?
So your position is going to be if nothing is done in Congress to do anything about Healthcare the ACA 'can stand on its own?
All the reports and articles I have been from The New York Times to the Wall Street Journal are all false?
If you truly believe the Republicans are doing nothing but spinning falsehoods then how do you explain the decline of the Democratic Party?
Actually, what Congress should do is work on improving the foundation of Obamacare. One party has ignored that request for over seven years. Not sure what you've been reading, so far be it for me to comment on it. I think if you search the NYT you'd find some positive things stated about Obamacare, the WJR's orgasmic hots for the private market leads me to believe that it wouldn't have as many positive things to say about Obamacare.
Decline of the Democratic Party? Even while running the worst candidate imaginable amidst the "rumors" of election interference against them, they garnered 3 million more votes. I'm a strong believer in the pendulum theory of politics, that things will swing back whenever there's a tilt one way or the other.
Now here's the thing, these message board debates always generate more heat than light. A series of multiple 3 or 4 paragraph exchanges never sways an entrenched position. The format is too constricted. Also, if I wanted to engage more in this type of discussion I'd abandon my nice comfy work as a copy editor at home and return to the health care company where I was formerly employed. Unless prompted by a snarky attack that begs a retort, I'm out of this dialogue.
Over valuing of progressive ideals socially which results in elitism that alienates voters
Failure to connect with middle and lower classes on social issues
Lazy politicking
Aging leaders of the party who are not identifiable
It's interesting what some will say hiding behind the cloak of anonymity. I asked you what lies you are referring to. I get a Rachael Maddowism instead. The lies that have you to the point of Insomnia must be Fast and Furious, Syria has no chemical weapons, Benghazi was a spontaneous protest because of a video, "If you like your doctor , you can keep him", I never heard Jeremiah Wright make any hateful comments when I attended his church. I agree with you. All those lies. LMAO
My God, what do you mean by "the cloak of anonymity"? Did you actually think I was attacking you? I don't even know if are married. To clarify the issue, I was scoffing at your feigned disbelief that Trump has lied or that Donnie Jr. had lied about his Russian involvement, and saying that that would be like a repeatedly oblivious cuckold. LOL, every time I vow not to get into a political pissing match, someone has to go berserk. I'll just pick and choose and take issue with one of your "observations." Obama actually said, "If you like your health care plan you can keep it." Portraying this as a lie is the greatest crock since the whopper purporting that Gore claimed to have invented the Internet. What Obama was guilty of was miscalculating the quicksilver changes in the health care industry and not anticipating that a plan could change for issues beyond his control. If I promise to take you to the movies tomorrow, but the theater burns down overnight, is that a lie or promise that couldn't be fulfilled for unanticipated circumstances?
Why should Congress attempt to repair the ACA when the purpose off it was the lead to Single Payer Healthcare?
Do you really believe the Democrats in Congress wanted to work with the Republicans while President Obama was in office?
Interesting you call Hillary Clinton the worst candidate ever those she had the media in her pocket as well as all the big liberal cities which is why she got 3 million more votes.
People on both sides of the coast have yet to realize that their states are only a handful of the Electoral College.
Look at the loss of governorships.
Look at the loss in Congress.
You can thank President Obama for that.
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Whatever you say man. As I said, these exchanges generate more heat than light.
It wasn't a miscalculation it was a lie, and a bold-faced one at that.
How, or what did he miscalculate?
He went to bed with the insurance companies.
He attempted to make a social experiment with a fifth of the economy and that is reckless.
Experience gleaned from reading your posts. Hmmm, it took you a while to look up the word "gadarene."
