that would not effect MY life one iota. does notre dame football define you as a person ?
Elston, Cooks, Alford, & Sanford in current Top 15 "Recruiter" Rankings
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Well I guess they are not cut out then. Under your model why not have the athletes take 21 credits, calculus, statistics, physics, P Chem, and write their graduate thesis? Because if they can't do this they probably couldn't cut it anyway with all the aid they get... Maybe because of the time commitments these students put in with practice, meetings, film review etc that the regular students don't have to. I am not saying they have different requirements.
You are mistaken. Current standards are no different than they were under either Willingham, or Weis. And there has never been any change in the minimum core curriculum requirements for incoming athletes, versus regular students, as far as I know. That is, and has always been, the root of the challenge of football recruiting at ND. It's not grades, though we do have higher standards than the NCAA minimums. It's core high school curriculum, which is a big issue for kids whose main academic goal in high school was to stay eligible, and thus looked at the NCAA minimum core curriculum.
OK ... I'll disregard the article I read a couple of years ago (I will try and find it) stating that academic requirements for scholarship athletes were lessened when Kelly came on board. Didn't say lessened to SEC (or other conference) standards just relaxed from past ND standards. ND's standards are still higher than most Div 1 FB programs not named Stanford, Northwestern, Vanderbilt or Duke. And hopefully they will remain there.
"NOTRE DAME TO LOWER ITS ACADEMIC EXPECTATIONS… AT LEAST FOR FOOTBALL PLAYERS"
http://www.sportsgrid.com/ncaa-foot...c-expectations-at-least-for-football-players/
"The football program, which has floundered in mediocrity (and below) ever since Brady Quinngraduated in 2006, is lowering its academic criteria for prospective football players, and has become more lenient when it comes to dealing with disciplinary issues."
There was an article was in the Chicago Sun Times...
Thanks ... I knew I read something alluding to a reduction in expectations for FB players. Still, ND's expectations are still higher than those of most teams.
You're most welcome..... We need to purchase a hospital and create a med school to compete with the big boys. However, our dumbass leadership is too f'ing cheap to spring for the $1-2 billion (closer to 1). Stanford is sprinting away from us......
As I understand the mandatory time commitments and limits for a football player, I know I worked more hours each week at my job each of my 4 years at Notre Dame and I was a Chemistry major with labs every semester. I made no excuses so this argument is not convincing to me, never has been.
Not a big enough deal to quibble about, but that's a column, not a news article. He based his whole premise primarily on the Michael Floyd situation. Would anything that happened over the past two or three years give you the impression that we've lessened our behavior and punishment standards for football players? I think not.
I believe that close to 1200 premium seats have been reserved for the higher ups..... Some in the admin have a "let them eat cake" attitude..... Jenkins is a lightweight.
Notre Dame is outside of the top 25 in terms of wins/winning percentage since the turn of the century. They haven't won a prominent bowl game since their back to back cotton bowl victories in '92 & '93. As far as it relates to success on the football field, modern ND is undoubtedly a 2nd tier football program.
And Granite, your argument seems to suggest that wanting ND to win national championships, and be an elite football program again makes me an obsessed fan whose priorities in life are all out of wack. Isn't winning championships (in this case national championships) the shared desire among all fans of every team in every sport?
^^^^^^^Clueless!^^^^^^^^
How old are you?
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I've posted how many times?
You make some good points, Chase. Why can't Notre Dame have a great education for students and football players interested in education and also have room for great football players who are more interested in football. Those who are more interested in football can help out the football team and still get an education to help them in the work force when they get out. They don't have to be super scholars.
i have a friend whose family has had season tickets for at least 60 years. he's not sure how much longer they can afford to keep them.
Guess the academic requirements weren't too stringent to keep the number 1 QB prospect for 2018 from choosing ND. Amazing.
There are lots of stories like that surfacing. It's sad. Families that have supported the school for decades should hold a special place. They don't. The ND traditions of yesteryear are slowly dissipating/ deteriorating.
We need a big bowl win and a national title pronto.
in my opinion the playoff format has all but eliminated "big bowl " wins. they will never carry the same weight again.
Yeah, it's a new world. I think playoff victories will now enter the CFB accomplishment lexicon.
imo "Big Bowl" wins will mean something higher than lower tier bowl wins, but Big Bowl combined with playoff would be a higher accomplishment.
The fact that you can get 2 in one year really throws the math....
PS some thoughts from TOS on season tickets....
After 84 years of season ticket ownership - my family is out
Prices are far in excess of the product
Wait until one sees the prices for 2017
Almost double 2016
Boy, you are spot on. This year our family gave up tickets
after 50 years. My son has been with me for the past 15 years or so. It came as quite a surprise to me when he was totally happy with the family decision; having been offered the tickets and turning them down. Part of it is quality of play; some of it is the inconvenience (340 mile round trip); some of it was the "fan experience" . . . we held Library Lot parking passes and with the construction, you may end up in the Library Lot . . . or the Wellness Center . . . or Grace Hall; really great if you're trying to hook up with friends. One thing that really pissed off some members was that after 50 years of loyalty, you'd think ND would at the very least, say thank you for the sustained support. All they said was NEXT! We are just throwaways!
. . . nuff said
At $150 a ticket
And rising, the likelihood of my kids seeing a game any time soon will continue to diminish.
By the time they're old enough to pay attention to the game, etc, I'm sure we'll will have easily crossed the $200 a ticket threshold.
At that point, I'll take them down at other points to see campus, etc. But I'm sorry, I'm not spending $400 on tickets to take my kids to an ND game. That's just absurd.
Our family has eight season tickets - lower bowl - sec 27-25
For the four pair, this year the all-in cost including one parking pass is $15,500. For 2017, they want $27,000 for the same seats (granted, with two more inches of a-- room!!)
Works out to over $300 a ticket this year and just under $600 a ticket next year
We are out - no mas
Someone else can have my golden goose after I got in for free last year for the UMass game and face value for USC based on tickets outside the stadium
maybe they'll stop having second collections at mass now. no wait, my bad. that'll never happen. never enough.
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