For everyone out there who thought coach Shaw is great coach and fine outstanding human being as well. During halftime of the SDSt game which they lost and SDSt won it. It wa not a fluke. He went after a WR coach in a screaming fit of lunacy which was uncalled for. On the other hand Kelly gets a little salty and the media is all over him. Where was the media with shaw
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Were you close enough to know what transpired?
The story is at halftime, the Stanford team was leaving the field. A SDSU player seened to be ready to cross paths and Shaw re-directed the player. ( Shaw may have felt he did not want a situation in heat of moment). The SDSU coach then objected to Shaw re-directing his player and he came upon Shaw to let him know. Shaw seemed to feel he SDSU coach needed to get control of his players. There is video of the exchange. You are making way to much of this.
The story is at halftime, the Stanford team was leaving the field. A SDSU player seened to be ready to cross paths and Shaw re-directed the player. ( Shaw may have felt he did not want a situation in heat of moment). The SDSU coach then objected to Shaw re-directing his player and he came upon Shaw to let him know. Shaw seemed to feel he SDSU coach needed to get control of his players. There is video of the exchange. You are making way to much of this.
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You want the benefits of the national attention Notre Dame gets? You need to also accept the downsides of the national attention Notre Dame gets.
Fair enough. But the chorus of David Shaw fans on this board think he is the second coming of football coach. He is not
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Kelly is a God on this board. Why even bring this up? Praise Kelly. He's the greatest coach ever!
I do not think that is
We have who we have. If he wins that's all I care about. If he lose next man in
I would take Shaw over Kelly any day of the week and twice on Sunday. He does more with less than the great Brian Kelly. Look at the recruiting classes Kelly has hauled in compared to Shaw and look at the results on the field. I don't know what you have against the guy.
Big win over rice and 2 smack downs from USC and SDSt let's see if he can turn around. Shaw is overrated
One coach has a long history of this .... the other does not .... and apparently you dont even know the back story .... typical
I've never thought David Shaw was that great of a coach. (Hell, if he had tried a play-action at the goal line in 2012 instead of four straight plunges into the line, Stanford may have won that game.) But he certainly is a competent one. I think he is pretty good at recognizing what he has and working with it.
I've also seen him do his share of the whining on the sidelines, which he probably learned from his former boss. I don't think anyone around here thinks he's a god.
I've also seen him do his share of the whining on the sidelines, which he probably learned from his former boss. I don't think anyone around here thinks he's a god.
Shaw specializes is setting up mismatches using formations. So long as he has gifted lines and a QB who can move he will win.
Doesn't that fall on him? BK sure as hell wouldn't get a pass for having lesser talent. A few posts say he's doesn't have the players BK does, well that's kudos to BKs recruiting, right?
To Zona - w lesser recruiting rated talent - what is Shaw's overall record VS BK ?
Stanford does not have a QB this year - first time in awhile. I wonder how ND will do vs. SC and Stanford (who does not have a QB) ?
Stanford does not have a QB this year - first time in awhile. I wonder how ND will do vs. SC and Stanford (who does not have a QB) ?
I am not a big supporter of Kelly However, you are spot on. There is a love affair with shaw with a lot of folks on this board. talk about play calling Shaw and smash mouth football. The team has a 4 and 1 deep in SDSt territory very deep he kicks a FG. And they were in trouble the whole game. He is Ty 2.0 that had better talent
I do not care about Kelly. I want the team to win. If the team wins Kelly stays if they lose next man in as Kelly would say. I would say Kelly is a better recruiter. IF he had a defense he would beat shaw 7 out of 10 games. The problem with Kelly in the past he was too loyal to bad DC who would not recruit. This job lends itself to be a CEO. So you have to be agnostic on your staff and be involved but let your management do their jobs and recruit. The problem with the Irish facing Stanford was not the QB it was the lack of D.
Defensive players are recruited. That is part of recruiting. So, 'if he had a defense' is an odd statement.
not at all When Van Gorder was the coach did he recruit? So Kelly was doing his job on offense but the D was getting lower level players and wiffing on 4 and 5 stars.
Then since VG gets all the blame for not recruiting then Elko get all the credit for the defensive recruiting efforts, right?
Posters need to be honest. If Shaw was the coach and was doing the same thing he's done at Stanford you'll be calling for his head. Posters that call for Kelly's head bc they want to win a chip every year or be 12 and 1. You'll say he can't win the big game blah, blah blah. If Kelly was 9 and 3 every year the argument would be he's not good enough to get us over the top. Just be honest.
They whiffed on a lot of D recruits. That said VG system was very complicated and you need a higher caliber of player and a lot of them to handle it. Not that the D players are not awful recruits, for the most part, we were missing out on better ones. Elko right now appears to be a better motivator and relates to the players.
Also, recruiting the D seems to be getting better.
Does David Shaw coach a team that is very similar to Notre Dame scholastically? Yes
Has David Shaw won some big games in his current stay at Stanford? Yes
If David Shaw had just one big game win and or one BCS bowl game win would that alone be more than Brian Kelly's wins big game or BCS bowl game? YES!
See apparently Shaw shops from the same "different aisle" bullshit but he still somehow has been able to get some big wins.
One more thing...when Shaw loses a game he doesn't blame shopping from a different aisle.
Imagine that!
Except that he tried to get into a fight and apparently his antics are not getting publicized from the past. And we do not know who or if has blamed others. He is a slightly better coach than Ty and recruits the same way, if it falls in his lap my guess you thought Ty was a great coach when he got here.
WTF are you talking about with Ty?
I thought you were being pissy...because you quoted...people around here think Shaw's the second coming....
I don't think he's the second coming. I think he's a good coach who has won some big games. All mind you at a university that prides itself in that different aisle bullshit yet Shaw never uses an excuse of that different aisle.
The above alone I believe makes him a better coach than Brian Kelly.
As for the incident you have no idea the intricate details of that incident.
But...having said that... I'm NOT one of the people who blasts Kelly for getting fired up at an assistant or reporter. Matter of fact I'll be the first to have his Brian Kelly's back when he gets a little unhinged at something because I believe people have become too god damn thin skinned present day.
You're comparing Shaw to Tyrone? (Who, BTW, was always Tyrone at Stanford, never Ty). That is ridiculous. Shaw is closing in on Pop Warner for having the best won/loss record in Stanford history.
As for the "fight", no one is even discussing it on the Stanford boards. The Aztec kid was ignoring protocol and looking to cross in front of the Stanford players as they left the field. Shaw saw it and moved fast to avoid an incident. The SDSU assistant coach felt the need to stick up for his player and words were exchanged, but it was really nothing. Shaw and the Aztec assistant shook hands after the game.
No one discusses on your board because there are next to no members. That said my premise is the media rails on Kelly for be salty and crickets with Shaw. We called Ty Ty who cares about your conventions. And as fat as recruiting Stanford traditionally never goes after kids the generally want to go there. The Irish have that also but we recruit David Shaw was an ass and it could of been a dangerous situation. Also was a lazy recruit and this has nothing to do with you it’s our fans that put him on a pedastool
LOL. You think Rivals is the only website where fans can congregate? There are plenty of Stanford message boards with lots of posts, but no threads on what you call the "fight". Here is just an example:
http://thecardboard.org/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=2h5e9v13oshn0aafalo1vvbo50&board=1.0
"And as fat as recruiting Stanford traditionally never goes after kids the generally want to go there. The Irish have that also but we recruit David Shaw was an ass and it could of been a dangerous situation. Also was a lazy recruit and this has nothing to do with you it’s our fans that put him on a pedastool."
Is that supposed to be in English?
Although I kind of like the creative spelling of pedastal.
It’s hard type on a phone with no glasses so try not to be the smug asshole that you areLOL. You think Rivals is the only website where fans can congregate? There are plenty of Stanford message boards with lots of posts, but no threads on what you call the "fight". Here is just an example:
http://thecardboard.org/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=2h5e9v13oshn0aafalo1vvbo50&board=1.0
"And as fat as recruiting Stanford traditionally never goes after kids the generally want to go there. The Irish have that also but we recruit David Shaw was an ass and it could of been a dangerous situation. Also was a lazy recruit and this has nothing to do with you it’s our fans that put him on a pedastool."
Is that supposed to be in English?
Although I kind of like the creative spelling of pedastal.
Well, maybe you should wait next time until you can type properly. No one is interested in reading gibberish.
You sure do hate this guy—15 posts alone in this thread hating on the guy. Strange.
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You don't instruct the opposing players. Worry about your own guys. Good for the opposing team assistant.
