Culture of negativity

[cgvr]

How's your hand doing? Can you re-enact your reaction to us going for 2?

The folks I was watching with were yelling, "WTF is he doing?" I'm used to it.....

Hey, if it hits we're kicking an extra point for the W. It didn't. Oooops.....

The way I look at it is had we kicked the extra point and we tied at the end no one would be saying afterwards that we should have gone for 2 earlier..... We needed that W huge....

 

[kellyirish35]

Like you Bodi I wanted to win that game as much as anyone -

I tire of the mentality that monsoon rains - injuries - turnovers are " excuses " for a coaches "failure " it's a shallow poorly thought out emotional reaction to the outcome of a game and one offered up by people who are obviously ignorant to the fundamental basics of the game

We went into the Clemson game w a first yr QB who in April was 3rd on the depth chart - so whats the problem ? Well the problem is to anyone who has eyes in his head and a modicum of gray matter is a game like Sat nite given the setting was going to come down to a few plays to determine the outcome -- that's with a seasoned QB
A few key plays did not go our way -- shit happens - blame kelly for turnovers - monsoon rain - injured QB's ? Go for it if that's what gets your rocks off .
Kizer would have had to play a mistake free game to pull off that win - given the setting - conditions and lack of experience - a flawless performance from him was not in the cards and yet we still almost pulled it off . Blame who for what ? God the blame game is so boorish and shallow --- characterless really.
I like Kizer a lot -- he is a solid player but I was told many years ago by a big time college basketball coach -- he use to often say " whatever IT is IT will show up " meaning if you have a couple cracks or holes in your team they will be exposed at some point in time during a contest there is no avoiding it . The IT on Sat nite was we needed that INT back and we needed a clean pass on the 2 pt conversion to pull off the W . Kelly matter of factly said Kizer had no business throwing that ball that got picked - Kelly wasn't saying that to hammer the kid - it is a teaching opportunity for an inexperienced QB .

Kelly has high expectation for his kids -- that's why he is one of the best in the business .

I look forward to the Irish doing some major ass kicking on Sat - Go Irish !! Beat Navy !!

 

[Bodizephax]

This is true .... I'm not a rah rah guy and I see nothing wrong with anyone who wants to "celebrate" wins on the message board ... I on the other hand am quietly content .... None the less I didn't run to the message board right after the game .... But when I see Kelly's garbage excuse I have no problem pointing out what should be obvious .... There was more than one contributing factor to the loss .... To's were huge ..... That stuff happens in a monsoon and sometime when it's not a monsoon .... And yet we still we're in ot if Kelly wasn't stupid ... Being stupid on occasion is a Kelly calling card unfortunately. It's hard to overcome player mistakes when the coach isn't helping

TO'S OR NOT ... WE ARE STILL IN OT IF WE KICK THE DAMN EXTRA POINT

I do agree with you about Kelly going for two so early.. STUPID !!!
I will continue being a RahRah guy until the orderlies at the nursing home put a pillow over my head and snuff the life out of me ! But I will not go down without a fight !
But then again if the Irish keep blowing games they should win I might accept my closing.

 

[Buguit]

I think Navy could prove tougher than Georgia Tech. They handled Air Force better than Mich St did . Hope I'm wrong. I hate playing that damn triple option

 

[Bodizephax]

I think Navy could prove tougher than Georgia Tech. They handled Air Force better than Mich St did . Hope I'm wrong. I hate playing that damn triple option

I watched the full Navy game. They are not that good. They have Keenan Reynolds but no killer Fullback. The Irish will win like 61 to 41. The Navy defense is too tiny for our Oline and big backs and receivers.

 

[cgvr]

Like you Bodi I wanted to win that game as much as anyone -

I tire of the mentality that monsoon rains - injuries - turnovers are " excuses " for a coaches "failure " it's a shallow poorly thought out emotional reaction to the outcome of a game and one offered up by people who are obviously ignorant to the fundamental basics of the game

We went into the Clemson game w a first yr QB who in April was 3rd on the depth chart - so whats the problem ? Well the problem is to anyone who has eyes in his head and a modicum of gray matter is a game like Sat nite given the setting was going to come down to a few plays to determine the outcome -- that's with a seasoned QB
A few key plays did not go our way -- shit happens - blame kelly for turnovers - monsoon rain - injured QB's ? Go for it if that's what gets your rocks off .
Kizer would have had to play a mistake free game to pull off that win - given the setting - conditions and lack of experience - a flawless performance from him was not in the cards and yet we still almost pulled it off . Blame who for what ? God the blame game is so boorish and shallow --- characterless really.
I like Kizer a lot -- he is a solid player but I was told many years ago by a big time college basketball coach -- he use to often say " whatever IT is IT will show up " meaning if you have a couple cracks or holes in your team they will be exposed at some point in time during a contest there is no avoiding it . The IT on Sat nite was we needed that INT back and we needed a clean pass on the 2 pt conversion to pull off the W . Kelly matter of factly said Kizer had no business throwing that ball that got picked - Kelly wasn't saying that to hammer the kid - it is a teaching opportunity for an inexperienced QB .

Kelly has high expectation for his kids -- that's why he is one of the best in the business .

I look forward to the Irish doing some major ass kicking on Sat - Go Irish !! Beat Navy !!

"We went into the Clemson game w a first yr QB". That's a crock. He has been in the program for 2 years.

What did Winston do as a RS Freshman? What did Cardale Jones do as a third string. I think he was a junior....

Turn off your kelly force field for a moment and stop putting down people as if you're some football sage. A lot went wrong in that game and the HC shoulders a big part of the responsibility. The play calls for the first 3 quarters contributed to Kizer's inaccuracy and our being bogged down whether you like it or not.

The fact is if kelly had gone to the high percentage routes earlier we may have won. Fuller, Brown, Hunter and others in space short were deadly..... Clemson had no answer. kelly didn't discover and exploit that soon enough. (now blame the assistant coaches)

That 4th quarter was a helluva a tear....sadly it was too late and we ran out of clock....

Also, some of kelly's sideline "teaching opportunities" continue to be an ongoing embarrassment. His tirades do not instill confidence. That's very evident.

 

[cgvr]

I do agree with you about Kelly going for two so early.. STUPID !!!
I will continue being a RahRah guy until the orderlies at the nursing home put a pillow over my head and snuff the life out of me ! But I will not go down without a fight !
But then again if the Irish keep blowing games they should win I might accept my closing.

This is your greatest post ever.

 

[88ND]

I disagree with respect to your thoughts on Folston. He is very good at getting the tough yards....like taking 2 or 3 vs caught behind the line of scrimmage. He will stick his foot in the ground and take what he gets. Procise tries to hit the home run too often. He is so inexperienced as a rb. He is doing a great job filling in but think that Folston would have been a big asset last week.

Any condition but Saturday I agree....but that is just it...the footing was soggy. The defense was fast. That is a recipe for someone more fleet of foot.
Regardless...folston does not prevent but one fumble potentially. Maybe.

 

[88ND]

Not true. What Malik brings to the table is legitimately defending all 11 players on the offense. The way Clemson was fitting the gaps they were not honoring the QB keep. Clemson sold out in between the tackles to the point it was madness watching ND trying to between them. Watch the play when they faked the Kizer draw and hit CJ on the wheel route. Every Clemson player bit on the QB draw.

But that is more Kelly being stubborn than anything.
Did you notice what brought Notre dame back? Passing. Even in the mess. You think Malik is a better more well rounded passed than Kizer? I don't.
I love the dual threat of Malik but again he and folston make no difference in the plethora of drops and turnovers. None. Which ultimately was the premise of defeat.

 

[Bumpdaddy]

Like you Bodi I wanted to win that game as much as anyone -

God the blame game is so boorish and shallow --- characterless really.
I like Kizer a lot -- he is a solid player but I was told many years ago by a big time college basketball coach -- he use to often say " whatever IT is IT will show up " meaning if you have a couple cracks or holes in your team they will be exposed at some point in time during a contest there is no avoiding it . The IT on Sat nite was we needed that INT back and we needed a clean pass on the 2 pt conversion to pull off the W . Kelly matter of factly said Kizer had no business throwing that ball that got picked - Kelly wasn't saying that to hammer the kid - it is a teaching opportunity for an inexperienced QB .

Kelly has high expectation for his kids -- that's why he is one of the best in the business .

I look forward to the Irish doing some major ass kicking on Sat - Go Irish !! Beat Navy !!

I don't mind people defending Kelly but your statement above is beyond the pale. You lament about people playing the blame game and challenge their character but in the very next paragraph you certainly seem to be laying the blame at Kizer's feet. Kizer didn't play mistake free football but he was actually one of the bright spots of the game. So, given your contradiction above which statement are you going to stand behind? The part about people who play the blame game are characterless, or that the INT and less than perfect pass on the 2pt conversion by the QB who put his team on his shoulders in the 4th QTR was what cost the team the W? Both statements can't be true... or actually they can be and you just confessed something about yourself.

 

[cgvr]

I don't mind people defending Kelly but your statement above is beyond the pale. You lament about people playing the blame game and challenge their character but in the very next paragraph you certainly seem to be laying the blame at Kizer's feet. Kizer didn't play mistake free football but he was actually one of the bright spots of the game. So, given your contradiction above which statement are you going to stand behind? The part about people who play the blame game are characterless, or that the INT and less than perfect pass on the 2pt conversion by the QB who put his team on his shoulders in the 4th QTR was what cost the team the W? Both statements can't be true... or actually they can be and you just confessed something about yourself.

Bingo.

 

[echowaker]

I support the coaches. But... I am not a mindless lemming. Kelly'S continual trust in the run up the gut was futile. Everyone but Kelly could see it.

I do not fault him for the first 2pt. Conversion attempt. But the second was idiotic. We had effectively moved the ball regularly to the final 2 pt. attempt, THEN He reverted to straight ahead.

I wore my game jersey. I agonized early and celebrated late. I do not think we played like a final four team, but wish we did.

Kelly is an arrogant play caller. If he draws it up on Tuesday, it must work... because he figured it out. Then on Saturday, if it doesn't work he keeps at it... because he "knows" it will work.

I do not think he will ever let anyone else call plays. Like I said, he's arrogant. And, he's our coach. GO IRISH!

here's the rub. Kelly is calling the plays but don't think for a minute Sanford and denbrock aren't fully involved. the final 2 point play is a head scratcher. was it truly a straight run or was it an option play ?

 

[echowaker]

Question...if we hadn't fumbled 4 times ...had 6 plus drops....would you say we were contenders? I'm not excusing but I can say that ND is right in the mix at the top talent wise. How about this.
If bama plays a navy last week....and not really a school for redemption, what say you? Well they must suck because they had 4 turnovers against ole miss, at home, in great conditions. But they came right back and obliterated Georgia. Ole miss just got smashed by Florida. So Florida must be the GOAT team right?
What ND does going forward is paramount. Not so much what but how. They have to make statement after statement!! If they do things are fine

yep. imagine if Georgia tech beats Clemson.

 

[ivan brunetti]

here's the rub. Kelly is calling the plays but don't think for a minute Sanford and denbrock aren't fully involved. the final 2 point play is a head scratcher. was it truly a straight run or was it an option play ?

IMO straight run that Clemson defended about as well as it could have been defended. The penetration by the defensive end disrupted everything.

 

[echowaker]

There are some who are frustrated jocks There are others who see things that never happened under our very good coaches. Kelly has done wonders. He is lacking in some decision making and game planning His game planning has improved a lot but is still suspect at least one game per year

Every year, there is one game - or more - that Kelly loses. Sure , their are other contributing factors but only Kelly can be directly pointed to for having lost about 7 games all on his own (meaning the team played good enough to win but Kelly made a stupid call lake the 2 pt on Saturday)
FSU Champs bowl, Clemson, Northeastern, Tulsa, USF, etc

Because of Kelly, we will always have a screw up

Also because of Kelly, the program is in the best shape since 1993 - so along with being competitive, we have to deal with at least one very bad game from our coach.

ANYONE who blames the Clemson loss on brian Kelly either didn't watch or is a damn fool.

 

[echowaker]

Good, honest post. Kelly giveth, Kelly taketh away. Not untrue, really.

agreed just not the Clemson game.

 

[echowaker]

I do not believe that for one second.

it's a group effort with denbrock and Sanford. if you don't think they are part of it you're just flat out wrong.

 

[echowaker]

Enjoy 8-4 bud.

I was actually smart enough to call it out immediately before even the TO was called. You go for 1 @21-9. Being down, at the time, by a TD, 2-ptr, and a FG is more manageable than having to get two TD's. Just look at how Northwestern beat ND last year. Stupid people like yourself are entertaining at least.

said the man in the mirror.

 

[echowaker]

The Irish losing is your thing Buguit. Of course you post more after a Ioss. I post more after an Irish win. I feel too sick after a loss to post much.

when they win it's crickets from that clown. same with hoops.

 

[echowaker]

Being a home run hitter does not mean he always goes for the home run .... He has put his head down on more than one occasion and shown plenty of toughness ... Once again a simpleton's view

finally ! some truth !

 

[echowaker]

"We went into the Clemson game w a first yr QB". That's a crock. He has been in the program for 2 years.

What did Winston do as a RS Freshman? What did Cardale Jones do as a third string. I think he was a junior....

Turn off your kelly force field for a moment and stop putting down people as if you're some football sage. A lot went wrong in that game and the HC shoulders a big part of the responsibility. The play calls for the first 3 quarters contributed to Kizer's inaccuracy and our being bogged down whether you like it or not.

The fact is if kelly had gone to the high percentage routes earlier we may have won. Fuller, Brown, Hunter and others in space short were deadly..... Clemson had no answer. kelly didn't discover and exploit that soon enough. (now blame the assistant coaches)

That 4th quarter was a helluva a tear....sadly it was too late and we ran out of clock....

Also, some of kelly's sideline "teaching opportunities" continue to be an ongoing embarrassment. His tirades do not instill confidence. That's very evident.

what tirades ?

 

[echowaker]

I don't mind people defending Kelly but your statement above is beyond the pale. You lament about people playing the blame game and challenge their character but in the very next paragraph you certainly seem to be laying the blame at Kizer's feet. Kizer didn't play mistake free football but he was actually one of the bright spots of the game. So, given your contradiction above which statement are you going to stand behind? The part about people who play the blame game are characterless, or that the INT and less than perfect pass on the 2pt conversion by the QB who put his team on his shoulders in the 4th QTR was what cost the team the W? Both statements can't be true... or actually they can be and you just confessed something about yourself.

for the record Clemson did have something to do with the outcome of the game. their d-line manhandled harrys boys.

 

[HRC08]

agreed just not the Clemson game.

No not at all and I've said as much all week. My one and only gripe was the play call on the last 2 pt attempt. I agreed with the first attempt. Clemson was controlling the game... Hard to imagine ND getting two more TD's, make it a 10 point game was the right choice given what had transpired up to that point. My previous comment was about previous games. Not Clemson.

 

[Buguit]

when they win it's crickets from that clown. same with hoops.

A self serving biased point of view via selective memory

 

[echowaker]

IMO straight run that Clemson defended about as well as it could have been defended. The penetration by the defensive end disrupted everything.

I'm fairly certain kizer was given at least one other option to check to when he saw the front. every team I've ever been associated with did it that way without a timeout to burn. kizer obviously liked the play. just didn't work out.

 

[echowaker]

No not at all and I've said as much all week. My one and only gripe was the play call on the last 2 pt attempt. I agreed with the first attempt. Clemson was controlling the game... Hard to imagine ND getting two more TD's, make it a 10 point game was the right choice given what had transpired up to that point. My previous comment was about previous games. Not Clemson.

my guess is kizer had another option if he didn't like the front he saw. without a timeout I guarantee there were other options. just didn't work.

A self serving biased point of view via selective memory

says the guy who disappears when the irish win but can't wait to rip the coaches when the teams lose. not a fan at all.

 

[twalsh]

I'm fairly certain kizer was given at least one other option to check to when he saw the front. every team I've ever been associated with did it that way without a timeout to burn. kizer obviously liked the play. just didn't work out.

In the post game press conference Kelly explained that Kizer had two options, the run play and a pass option. Based on how he saw Clemson lined up he chose the run option. And yes, it sure would have been nice to have a timeout there, but we needed every one of them to make sure we got the ball back with at least a little time on the clock at the end.

 

[Buguit]

my guess is kizer had another option if he didn't like the front he saw. without a timeout I guarantee there were other options. just didn't work.

says the guy who disappears when the irish win but can't wait to rip the coaches when the teams lose. not a fan at all.

Says the guy who makes stuff up because he has an ax to grind ..... let me guess ... The bar for being a fan (according to you) is set at stupid with blind faith

 

[HDK]

Like you Bodi I wanted to win that game as much as anyone -

I tire of the mentality that monsoon rains - injuries - turnovers are " excuses " for a coaches "failure " it's a shallow poorly thought out emotional reaction to the outcome of a game and one offered up by people who are obviously ignorant to the fundamental basics of the game

We went into the Clemson game w a first yr QB who in April was 3rd on the depth chart - so whats the problem ? Well the problem is to anyone who has eyes in his head and a modicum of gray matter is a game like Sat nite given the setting was going to come down to a few plays to determine the outcome -- that's with a seasoned QB
A few key plays did not go our way -- shit happens - blame kelly for turnovers - monsoon rain - injured QB's ? Go for it if that's what gets your rocks off .
Kizer would have had to play a mistake free game to pull off that win - given the setting - conditions and lack of experience - a flawless performance from him was not in the cards and yet we still almost pulled it off . Blame who for what ? God the blame game is so boorish and shallow --- characterless really.
I like Kizer a lot -- he is a solid player but I was told many years ago by a big time college basketball coach -- he use to often say " whatever IT is IT will show up " meaning if you have a couple cracks or holes in your team they will be exposed at some point in time during a contest there is no avoiding it . The IT on Sat nite was we needed that INT back and we needed a clean pass on the 2 pt conversion to pull off the W . Kelly matter of factly said Kizer had no business throwing that ball that got picked - Kelly wasn't saying that to hammer the kid - it is a teaching opportunity for an inexperienced QB .

Kelly has high expectation for his kids -- that's why he is one of the best in the business .

I look forward to the Irish doing some major ass kicking on Sat - Go Irish !! Beat Navy !!

Frankly, we get tired of you lecturing us. I'd wager there are plenty of people who know as much or more about football as you do who scratched their head over the 2-point try. Plenty of people who questioned the decision to run the same plays into an 8-man front the entire first half. Yeah, we know guys dropped passes and we know guys fumbled. We also know it was raining and Clemson played well.

It seems like every year one poster comes on her and plays "parent," or worse, know-it-all big brother. You seem to have chosen that role for yourself. Me, I'll keep complaining, thank you very much.

 

[cgvr]

Frankly, we get tired of you lecturing us. I'd wager there are plenty of people who know as much or more about football than you do who scratched their head over the 2-point try. Plenty of people who questioned the decision to run the same plays into an 8-man front the entire first half. Yeah, we know guys dropped passes and we know guys fumbled. We also know it was raining and Clemson played well.

It seems like every year one poster comes on her and plays "parent," or worse, know-it-all big brother. You seem to have chosen that role for yourself. Me, I'll keep complaining, thank you very much.

Well, the poster believes that Kizer is a first year QB at ND. So, he's got that going for him....

"We went into the Clemson game w a first yr QB".

 

[HDK]

Well, the poster believes that Kizer is a first year QB at ND. So, he's got that going for him....

"We went into the Clemson game w a first yr QB".

I would typically not quibble with him over that. I get what he's saying--that Kizer is new as a starter. I do know, if one of us had said that, he'd be lecturing us about our ignorance.

 

[Pennick4]

Well, the poster believes that Kizer is a first year QB at ND. So, he's got that going for him....

"We went into the Clemson game w a first yr QB".

Wow you told him.

 

[Buguit]

Wow you told him.

God forbid you'd ever post an intelligent rebuttal ....typical post

 

[cgvr]

Wow you told him.

Well, below is my earlier reply in its entirety. I hope you find it satisfactory. Imo this poster may actually be the purplefaced one..... He sure is shrill enough...

"We went into the Clemson game w a first yr QB". That's a crock. He has been in the program for 2 years.

What did Winston do as a RS Freshman? What did Cardale Jones do as a third string. I think he was a junior....

Turn off your kelly force field for a moment and stop putting down people as if you're some football sage. A lot went wrong in that game and the HC shoulders a big part of the responsibility. The play calls for the first 3 quarters contributed to Kizer's inaccuracy and our being bogged down whether you like it or not.

The fact is if kelly had gone to the high percentage routes earlier we may have won. Fuller, Brown, Hunter and others in space short were deadly..... Clemson had no answer. kelly didn't discover and exploit that soon enough. (now blame the assistant coaches)

That 4th quarter was a helluva a tear....sadly it was too late and we ran out of clock....

Also, some of kelly's sideline "teaching opportunities" continue to be an ongoing embarrassment. His tirades do not instill confidence. That's very evident.

46 cgvr, Tuesday at 9:24 PM

 

[Pennick4]

Well, below is my earlier reply in its entirety. I hope you find it satisfactory. Imo this poster may actually be the purplefaced one..... He sure is shrill enough...

"We went into the Clemson game w a first yr QB". That's a crock. He has been in the program for 2 years.

What did Winston do as a RS Freshman? What did Cardale Jones do as a third string. I think he was a junior....

Turn off your kelly force field for a moment and stop putting down people as if you're some football sage. A lot went wrong in that game and the HC shoulders a big part of the responsibility. The play calls for the first 3 quarters contributed to Kizer's inaccuracy and our being bogged down whether you like it or not.

The fact is if kelly had gone to the high percentage routes earlier we may have won. Fuller, Brown, Hunter and others in space short were deadly..... Clemson had no answer. kelly didn't discover and exploit that soon enough. (now blame the assistant coaches)

That 4th quarter was a helluva a tear....sadly it was too late and we ran out of clock....

Also, some of kelly's sideline "teaching opportunities" continue to be an ongoing embarrassment. His tirades do not instill confidence. That's very evident.

46 cgvr, Tuesday at 9:24 PM

He is a first year QB. Red shirt freshman. Lighten up Francis. Football coaches yell. He probably should be yelling more. Go play dominoes if you can't take it.
Turn the ball over 4 times and you don't deserve to win. End of story.

 

[floridairish]

I hear a lot of "we" an "us" in these low football IQ posts. Here's an update. You ladies are not on the roster and not on the staff. In fact your incompetence is only outdone by your irrelevance.

Try referring to ND Football as...ND Football. I'd hate to think walking sock puppets like Purse, 88IQ ND, CGVR aka, (Can't Get Very much Right) were actually part of the ND Program. That would be more disappointing than the drivel they post. If that's possible?

 

[cgvr]

I hear a lot of "we" an "us" in these low football IQ posts. Here's an update. You ladies are not on the roster and not on the staff. In fact your incompetence is only outdone by your irrelevance.

Try referring to ND Football as...ND Football. I'd hate to think walking sock puppets like Purse, 88IQ ND, CGVR aka, (Can't Get Very much Right) were actually part of the ND Program. That would be more disappointing than the drivel they post. If that's possible?

Make sure you make it to to the next home game. Go on the field. When the students, alum and fans start chanting "We are ND" put up your home made sign that says "Stop". That'll be fun! I'm sure you can meet argus there as he is due to be "hopnored" again. The good news is I showed you how to spell "stop".

As an alum I can say "we" about everything that relates to ND..... such is family.....

Thanks for the continued chuckles.

 

[Buguit]

He is a first year QB. Red shirt freshman. Lighten up Francis. Football coaches yell. He probably should be yelling more. Go play dominoes if you can't take it.
Turn the ball over 4 times and you don't deserve to win. End of story.

So the coach is off the hook and gets a free pass for being stupid any time the team turns the ball over 4 times ? That's a new one . It's funny that Kelly himself didn't say that when he gave his other garbage answer on why he went for 2.

Reporter: "Coach Kelly .... Can you explain why you decided to go for 2 with 14 minutes still left in the game? "
Coach Kelly: "Well ... Were you watching? .... We turned the ball over 4 times so it didn't matter what we did anymore."

I also find the lighten up Francis remark amusing when this is the same guy who types posts that are one line insults with exclamation points on the end ...

 

[floridairish]

Actually "we" for you (Cant Get Very much Right) CGVR is a sad attempt to link yourself to a sport you were never man enough to play and a ND Football Program that wouldn't allow you to mop out the bathroom stalls. And you know it.

"We" is for sad little boys like you that gave us things like the Participation Trophy.and the ITG (Internet Tough Guy). You're
A 21st century cliché and a coward hiding behind a keyboard in your mom basement.

If you ever attempted to spew your drivel in the direction of another man face to face...the only thing we'd see is the back of your head and a trail of urine as you ran away. You are the quintessential pussy.

 

[kellyirish35]

You see Fl lirish what your dealing with is a very real image of yourself grabbing Can' Get Very Much Right by the throat and jacking him against a wall and deciding which part of his face your going to pummel first -- I feel your frustration .

Last nite in one of the most pathetic attempts at trying to sound analytical he said C Weis put us on the national stage --

Let's look at some facts in evaluating CVGR's dysfunction

Weis was fired from ND after going 9-15 his last two seasons and then Kansas in what arguably was the worst personnel decision in the history of american sports hired him to implode in Lawrence .
Kelly while all this was going on was going 23-1 @ Ucinn garnering Coach of the Year honors and was a blown call inthe Neb Tx game from going to the national championship game -- fast forward

Kelly was hired to coach ND and midway through his first season out of total frustration threw his whole team under the bus stating that he had not recruited this rabble and they were not competing . After Manti Teo threw a fit on twitter something must have registered and ND mysteriously started winning football games . In Kelly's third yr he goes on a 12-0 run ending the season w ND ranked #1 in the country all of this with a freshmen three star QB , for his efforts Kelly wins his second Coach of the Year award in four yrs .

Last season in spite of losing his leading receiver , CB as well as their best pass rusher to an academic scandal Kelly took his 6-0 nationally ranked team into Tallahasse vs #1 team in the country and coached and managed his team to an apparent victory that would have catapulted ND into the #1 ranking AGAIN but of course as we all know we were cheated that nite by a red neck referee from our return to the the top of the polls . Unfortunately we were then bitten by the injury bug losing half our starting defense . With all that and Golson deciding to mail it in Kelly taps Malik Zaire and we get some of our guys back on D and finish the year with an upset win over LSU gaining 150 more yds and scoring 15 more points than Alabama did vs LSU

2015 - ND starts 4-0 in spite of the fact they lose their top 2 running backs to injury and an academic issue and losing their starting QB to injury as well as their starting DT and nickel back .

In spite of all this adversity ND goes into Clemson ranked #6 in the country and due to weather related ball security issues still manages to coach his team to be in a position to win the game late in the fourth qtr but Brown, Sanders , Kizer miscue's with the football would have the Irish fall a play short .

What is tragic is that there are anonymous eunuchs who have no clue none what it is like to compete in sports and even less of a clue as to the real workings of a major college football program.They come on here and take pot shots at one of the best coaches in college football,and what are they criticizing ? A blown execution of a perfectly designed 2 pt conversion - see Corey Robinson wide open and Kizer air mailing a CYO easy 5 yd pitch and catch

In closing anyone with this back drop of information re Kelly's resume who focuses on this decision and blames him for it I have no regard nor respect for and in fact consider those fools quintessential douche bags of the lowest order .

Hope all is well with you Fl Irish let's hope for an Irish W today . Enjoy the game -- I will be back after the W to get after the negative trolls .