Cowherd rips ND football again

[TheDecker]

Everybody knows Michigan were national champions that year. Except Nebraska fans. They "competed in the 2004 season"

Thats two times in the last 20 years. Notre dame at best has 1 if your gonna try very hard to convince yourself about that. So actually. Nd doesn't have any time

If you want to say Michigan only competed for one and it's a tie. You have to go recent years for the tiebreaker. And Michigan beats nd for having better seasons and a better shot at competing

Let's remember what all started this. A guy said Michigan hasn't competed for a national title in 20 years. Which is just false

I'll give you nd competed for one if you really. Want. But they were the 4th/5th best team in the country that year. Just like they are on all of their best years at best

Lol. Just the opposite.

Michigan fans are the only ones that think they had a real NC that year. Everyone else recognizes that it was a split-title garbage.

I said if ND being in the NC game isn't "competing" for an NC than neither is Michigan's 1997 split-title, meaning they haven't competed for an NC in over 70 years!!
(however, any reasonable person would say that both teams competed for NC's in 1997 and 2012 respectively)

As for your "tie-breaker" comment....tie-breaker for what?
What's more recent, 1997 or 2012?
Or actual wins (1989 vs. some time in the 40's)?



No part of your argument has any legs to stand on, at all

 

[TheDecker]

I listed who should have played. I didn't answer the question directly. I quoted another post. But I would have said the same thing

No, no you didn't.......since Georgia obviously shouldn't have played and you failed to mount any level of defense to the incredibly powerful counter-arguments.

You just trolled and hoped everyone would melt down about it

 

[Classic Irish]

I listed who should have played. I didn't answer the question directly. I quoted another post. But I would have said the same thing

I still don't see it. Can you please repeat your answer to which teams should have played in the NC game over ND?

 

[TheDecker]

Sc? If you're talking about Notre dame. USC wasn't a good team. They were mediocore. If you're talking about South Carolina I'm not saying Georgia should have been there. But they would have put up a better fight. They played bama better then nd did. I'm not saying the final score would be 21-20 or something
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So you want to use the results of a game to argue retro-actively about the game?

I'm excited to see how you would apply this.
We just assume the Vegas favorite wins every game?
Alabama is retroactively 3-0 in the playoffs??

 

[Sleeping Storm]

Lol. Just the opposite.

Michigan fans are the only ones that think they had a real NC that year. Everyone else recognizes that it was a split-title garbage.

I said if ND being in the NC game isn't "competing" for an NC than neither is Michigan's 1997 split-title, meaning they haven't competed for an NC in over 70 years!!
(however, any reasonable person would say that both teams competed for NC's in 1997 and 2012 respectively)

As for your "tie-breaker" comment....tie-breaker for what?
What's more recent, 1997 or 2012?
Or actual wins (1989 vs. some time in the 40's)?



No part of your argument has any legs to stand on, at all

You seem to keep forgetting about 2004

Also. Michigan beat Nebraska by 31 in the ap poll. And Nebraska beat Michigan by 2 points in the coaches poll.

 

[Sleeping Storm]

I still don't see it. Can you please repeat your answer to which teams should have played in the NC game over ND?

Oregon and Ohio state. I never said Georgia should have been in there. I just said they would have put up a better fight.

 

[irishalice]

Sc? If you're talking about Notre dame. USC wasn't a good team. They were mediocore. If you're talking about South Carolina I'm not saying Georgia should have been there. But they would have put up a better fight. They played bama better then nd did. I'm not saying the final score would be 21-20 or something

And ok sorry about that

No, I was talking about SC as in Trojans, the two common opponents ND and Oregon shared. Again the Irish being number one in the polls, BCS poll, and undefeated trumps Oregon. Just cause Georgia played Bama close doesn't mean they would of in a rematch. SC as in South Carolina blew out the Dawgs during the season (37-7).
Facts are that the Irish had the polls, SOS, and an undefeated season, your choices did not.
Facts always beat conjecture. Have a good evening.

OSU was banned from bowls, shouldn't even be part of the discussion.

 

[twalsh]

Oregon and Ohio state. I never said Georgia should have been in there. I just said they would have put up a better fight.

We were undefeated, Oregon had a loss to a team that we beat.

Ohio State went undefeated against the #60 schedule, we went undefeated against the #21 ranked schedule.

Sorry, your argument holds no water. Just because we got beaten badly doesn't imply one iota that we didn't deserve to be playing in the game. That's not the way it works.

 

[ohio1980]

Except they won one. And "competed" for one in the 2003-2004 area.

Better then not competing for one since the mid 90s at best. Since everyone virtually agrees nd shouldn't have played bama. And they haven't won one

What?
michigan has won 1/2(half) Nat'l Championship in the last 68 years!!!!
In 2003 & 2004 they lost 3 games each season.

 

[Sleeping Storm]

What?
michigan has won 1/2(half) Nat'l Championship in the last 68 years!!!!
In 2003 & 2004 they lost 3 games each season.

First let me say that I was wrong about 2004. Completely forgot about the bcs (I thought that was later. Like 2006). Sorry

They still won in 1997. Ap poll (the real poll) had them blow out Nebraska. And Nebraska beat out Michigan by 2 points in the coaches poll

This whole Michigan thing was a poster stating they haven't competed for a national title in 20 years. If we're gonna talk 68 years it's a whole different story

 

[TheDecker]

You seem to keep forgetting about 2004

Also. Michigan beat Nebraska by 31 in the ap poll. And Nebraska beat Michigan by 2 points in the coaches poll.

You mean that not even making the defacto championship game BECAUSE THEY LOST 3 GAMES is "competing" now, but teams that actually make the real NCG aren't competing?

Intersting....

But keep trying to ignore everything else I've called you out on. Not sure if you're more hysterical or pathetic at this point.

Lol

 

[TheDecker]

Oregon and Ohio state. I never said Georgia should have been in there. I just said they would have put up a better fight.

The Oregon team that lost games? Even lost to a team that we beat??

The Ohio State team that was barred from the post-season for cheating? Or the Ohio State team that played a below average SoS while ND played a Top25 SoS?

What are you basing this all on?
Anything beyond your own homerism??

 

[TheDecker]

First let me say that I was wrong about 2004. Completely forgot about the bcs (I thought that was later. Like 2006). Sorry

They still won in 1997. Ap poll (the real poll) had them blow out Nebraska. And Nebraska beat out Michigan by 2 points in the coaches poll

This whole Michigan thing was a poster stating they haven't competed for a national title in 20 years. If we're gonna talk 68 years it's a whole different story

I said they didn't compete by the same standard you're holding ND to for "competing".

Michigan didn't win the NC, and no one respects them as legitimately having done so (except Michigan fans)
They haven't actually won an NC in ~70 years





Also, none of this debate has anything to do with the fact that EVERYTHING you've said in this thread is 100% BULLSH*T!!

 

[NDSMC78]

Ok. You're trying to discredit me saying Notre dame shouldn't belong in the nc they weren't even a number 2 team. But then you do a spin and try to say Michigan wasn't even in the conversation/ they didn't win. Even though the ap poll was the real poll at that time. And through the entire 90s

You need to take a remedial reading course.

 

[Sleeping Storm]

I said they didn't compete by the same standard you're holding ND to for "competing".

Michigan didn't win the NC, and no one respects them as legitimately having done so (except Michigan fans)
They haven't actually won an NC in ~70 years





Also, none of this debate has anything to do with the fact that EVERYTHING you've said in this thread is 100% BULLSH*T!!

You can do a quick google search and see that Michigan blew out Nebraska in the ap poll and Nebraska beat out Michigan by 2 points in the coaches poll. It's not hard. As a matter of fact here's the link man https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_NCAA_Division_I-A_football_rankings

It's also thought of that Nebraska only beat Michigan in the coaches poll because the coach was retiring

So yeah. Not only Michigan fans thought they were the champs. Unless everyone who voted were Michigan fans

Michigan has been more successful in the last 20 years. Notre dame has had 2/3 top ten finishes in the last 20 years. Michigan has had 6. So 100 bullshit? Sorry pal

And you're not even the guy that originally said it.

 

[Sleeping Storm]

You need to take a remedial reading course.

I'll get on that. Wanna be my teacher?

 

[TheDecker]

You can do a quick google search and see that Michigan blew out Nebraska in the ap poll and Nebraska beat out Michigan by 2 points in the coaches poll. It's not hard. As a matter of fact here's the link man https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997_NCAA_Division_I-A_football_rankings

It's also thought of that Nebraska only beat Michigan in the coaches poll because the coach was retiring

So yeah. Not only Michigan fans thought they were the champs. Unless everyone who voted were Michigan fans

Michigan has been more successful in the last 20 years. Notre dame has had 2/3 top ten finishes in the last 20 years. Michigan has had 6. So 100 bullshit? Sorry pal

And you're not even the guy that originally said it.

God, laughing at you is fun.

Do you intentionally trot yourself out as an idiot, or is this all the result of a mental disability??
(Seriously, inquiring minds want to know)

But by your points all still 100% BS.

Remember everyone that voted for Nebraska over Michigan....so many coaches that Michigan actually LOST the MNC....yeah, it was just Michigan fans that thought they won.

And the rest of it is a conversation you're having with yourself, so I have no idea what your point even is there.

Like I've said little buddy.....keep it going, comedic gold!!

 

[TheDecker]

@Sleeping Storm are you serious with these pitiful arguments?

Not even trying to address your arguments about ND competing for the 2012 NC, now that you've been so completely eviscerated?

I've honestly started to feel bad for you in this thread.


It's worse than what happen to your other little Michigan buddies in that other thread

 

[Sleeping Storm]

@Sleeping Storm are you serious with these pitiful arguments?

Not even trying to address your arguments about ND competing for the 2012 NC, now that you've been so completely eviscerated?

I've honestly started to feel bad for you in this thread.


It's worse than what happen to your other little Michigan buddies in that other thread

Do you want me to keep posting the same thing over and over? There's nothing else to be said.

 

[TheDecker]

Do you want me to keep posting the same thing over and over? There's nothing else to be said.

That's what you've been trying already, and it hasn't helped you to address the facts.......at all

It's been fun watching you trying to rail against reality though

Feel free to keep the laughs coming!!

 

[Sleeping Storm]

That's what you've been trying already, and it hasn't helped you to address the facts.......at all

It's been fun watching you trying to rail against reality though

Feel free to keep the laughs coming!!

The only thing I've been posting over and over about is about 1997. Not about Notre dames national championship game in 2012.

 

[TheDecker]

The only thing I've been posting over and over about is about 1997. Not about Notre dames national championship game in 2012.

Lol.

Denying reality again.
Even when a quick reread of this thread proves how very run you are.

Run along little buddy, you've been officially DEBUNKED!

 

[Sleeping Storm]

Lol.

Denying reality again.
Even when a quick reread of this thread proves how very run you are.

Run along little buddy, you've been officially DEBUNKED!

I made about 3 posts discrediting the run. All the other times I've just repeated because someone asked/enter whatever here. I've made more posts about saying Michigan won the 1997 nc. Maybe you should do a quick read?

First post I didn't start listing the teams. I also talked about 97. Then I listed teams. Then pretty much this entire page was about 97.

 

[Classic Irish]

We were undefeated, Oregon had a loss to a team that we beat.

Ohio State went undefeated against the #60 schedule, we went undefeated against the #21 ranked schedule.

Sorry, your argument holds no water. Just because we got beaten badly doesn't imply one iota that we didn't deserve to be playing in the game. That's not the way it works.

Again notice that he didn't respond to this. Also, Ohio State was banned from post-season play in 2012 due to sanctions. So based on his assessment that leaves only Oregon who lost to Stanford, a team we beat (as you noted).