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2 most over covered sports franchises are the NY Knicks and ND Football per Colin today on the Herd

couldn't help but agree with his views

we havent won a title in 28 years
we are not even the most interesting team in the mid-west (OSU, MICH, PSU)
our average recruiting class is 14th
 
NDHHI said:
2 most over covered sports franchises are the NY Knicks and ND Football per Colin today on the Herd

couldn't help but agree with his views

we havent won a title in 28 years
we are not even the most interesting team in the mid-west (OSU, MICH, PSU)
our average recruiting class is 14th
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Penn state is certainly not in the Midwest and they haven't had a better recruiting class than Notre Dame in the Brian Kelly Era
 
Uh...I think it's because of the fan/alumni base, not necessarily because we win games.
UND has arguably one of the largest fan bases in the country. Lots of fans equals lots of coverage. Simple supply and demand.

Even the haters want to watch an ND game - to see them lose.
 
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So, what's it to Cowherd? Does this same standard apply to Tiger Woods, yet the media continues to fawn over him like he is still relevant as a player. This genius had interns look up the stats he then regurgitated and called it breaking news. Kornheiser still gloats about the BCS title game conveniently leaving out the part that there have been other play-off teams that were thumped since the Irish played Bama. Wilbon just likes to hear himself talk as the all knowing kingpin of life, politics, and sports. So, that's pretty much sports media now days.
 
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and...which part of that is inaccurate or overstatement?

it is kinda hard to 'spin' those kind of years; we do have a few posters here that try for nefarious reasons; yes, I said posters, not ND fans.
 
It's gives no talent ass clowns like Cowherd material in which to build a show around
 
I would put Michigan football in the discussion since they haven't competed for a national title in about 20 years or so
 
Phyllis knows more than Cowturd.
Cowturd loved Fat Weis.
He just loves to talk about ND for ratings.
Cowturd predicted Alabama was going down the tubes after AJ McCarron left.
He predicted that Malzohn and all the other SEC coaches would chip away at Saban.
He does the "Where Colin was right"- "where Colin was wrong segment"
The guy loves USC and Lane Kiffin.

Phyllis knows more than him.
 
perseverare said:
and...which part of that is inaccurate or overstatement?

it is kinda hard to 'spin' those kind of years; we do have a few posters here that try for nefarious reasons; yes, I said posters, not ND fans.
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We all know what the problems are at ND. You are not the lone wolf genius crying out to the world. We all know. Cowherd didn't say anything that we didn't know. You never say anything that we didn't already know. We all know for crying out loud. You're not the worldly wise man you like to role play. We all had it figured out without your help. Irish fans are not losing sleep over it. Don't live every waking moment dwelling on it. Understand that as much as we are unhappy with results, it is out of our control. The other side think letter writing campaigns will change everything.Will solve everything. Pretending to have friends in high places. Which one are you since you are so free to call out who's a fan and who's not.
 
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NDHHI said:
2 most over covered sports franchises are the NY Knicks and ND Football per Colin today on the Herd

couldn't help but agree with his views

we havent won a title in 28 years
we are not even the most interesting team in the mid-west (OSU, MICH, PSU)
our average recruiting class is 14th
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Cowboys? Lakers?
 
coolirish9 said:
I would put Michigan football in the discussion since they haven't competed for a national title in about 20 years or so
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Except they won one. And "competed" for one in the 2003-2004 area.

Better then not competing for one since the mid 90s at best. Since everyone virtually agrees nd shouldn't have played bama. And they haven't won one
 
Sleeping Storm said:
Except they won one. And "competed" for one in the 2003-2004 area.

Better then not competing for one since the mid 90s at best. Since everyone virtually agrees nd shouldn't have played bama. And they haven't won one
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Guess everyone should agree then that Oklahoma should have never played USC in 2005 and the Bucknuts should have stayed home instead of being mauled by Florida in 2006.

Though I'm betting that "virtually" everyone on this board is thinking just another typical stick up the heinie, blowhard Michigan fan.
 
Sleeping Storm said:
Except they won one. And "competed" for one in the 2003-2004 area.

Better then not competing for one since the mid 90s at best. Since everyone virtually agrees nd shouldn't have played bama. And they haven't won one
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We were 12-0 against a schedule rated around #20. So who do you suppose should have played Alabama instead of us?
 
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Sleeping Storm said:
Except they won one. And "competed" for one in the 2003-2004 area.
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Sleeping Storm said:
Except they won one. And "competed" for one in the 2003-2004 area.
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irishalice said:
Guess everyone should agree then that Oklahoma should have never played USC in 2005 and the Bucknuts should have stayed home instead of being mauled by Florida in 2006.

Though I'm betting that "virtually" everyone on this board is thinking just another typical stick up the heinie, blowhard Michigan fan.
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Auburn was a better team then Oklahoma.

There was really nobody else you could pick in 2006/7.

Oregon, Ohio state were better then Notre Dame. And Georgia would have put up a better match (2 teams in the sec in the champ game happened before)

I'm just trying to give you knowledge but you can shove it away and keep thinking wimbush is a heisman winner until next year where you want the backup to play
 
Sleeping Storm said:
Auburn was a better team then Oklahoma.

There was really nobody else you could pick in 2006/7.

Oregon, Ohio state were better then Notre Dame. And Georgia would have put up a better match (2 teams in the sec in the champ game happened before)

I'm just trying to give you knowledge but you can shove it away and keep thinking wimbush is a heisman winner until next year where you want the backup to play
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Maybe Georgia should have taken care of business against South Carolina and Bama? Oregon had a loss against Stanford and OSU was under a NCAA bowl ban for 2012, plus played a soft schedule. ND was undefeated (which included a win over Stanford) and number one in the BCS polls. According to Sagarin, ND finished the season with a schedule strength rating of 21, Bama was 19, and Oregon was 38 while Georgia was 27. Tell me again why ND didn't belong?


Wimbush smack? Like I said Michigan blowhard!
 
irishalice said:
Maybe Georgia should have taken care of business against South Carolina and Bama? Oregon had a loss against Stanford and OSU was under a NCAA bowl ban for 2012, plus played a soft schedule. ND was undefeated (which included a win over Stanford) and number one in the BCS polls. According to Sagarin, ND finished the season with a schedule strength rating of 21, Bama was 19, and Oregon was 38 while Georgia was 27. Tell me again why ND didn't belong?


Wimbush smack? Like I said Michigan blowhard!
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BAMMM!!!
 
Sleeping Storm said:
Auburn was a better team then Oklahoma.

There was really nobody else you could pick in 2006/7.

Oregon, Ohio state were better then Notre Dame. And Georgia would have put up a better match (2 teams in the sec in the champ game happened before)

I'm just trying to give you knowledge but you can shove it away and keep thinking wimbush is a heisman winner until next year where you want the backup to play
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So the regular season doesn't matter, just choose what teams should be in the NCG (or playoffs) at random, based on whatever criteria and evaluation seem best to you personally?

The 12-0 team against a Top25 (if not Top10) schedule shouldn't play in the NCG?

But the 2-loss team who literally just lost their last game to the other team in NCG consideration should play?

Why not just select the NCG/Playoffs based on a Pre-Season All-American list and skip the regular season altogether, since apparently it doesn't matter?

Stupid, stupid post
 
Sleeping Storm said:
Except they won one. And "competed" for one in the 2003-2004 area.

Better then not competing for one since the mid 90s at best. Since everyone virtually agrees nd shouldn't have played bama. And they haven't won one
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Not really.

Michigan "competed for" an MNC in 1997, which Nebraska also "competed for". Based on your logic, Michigan shouldn't have "competed for" that one either, since almost everyone agrees that Nebraska had more talent.

So by you logic it's been about 70 years since Michigan won an NC.......meaning ND has until 2050 to be where Michigan is right now, in terms of NC irrelevance

That's some real food for thought
 
irishalice said:
Maybe Georgia should have taken care of business against South Carolina and Bama? Oregon had a loss against Stanford and OSU was under a NCAA bowl ban for 2012, plus played a soft schedule. ND was undefeated (which included a win over Stanford) and number one in the BCS polls. According to Sagarin, ND finished the season with a schedule strength rating of 21, Bama was 19, and Oregon was 38 while Georgia was 27. Tell me again why ND didn't belong?


Wimbush smack? Like I said Michigan blowhard!
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Oregon had 1 loss to Stanford? Ok? Just because Stanford lost to nd means nd is better then Oregon? Is pitt better then bama this year?

Ohio states schedule wasn't much softer then Nds. Nd played 1 more good team. I'm not saying they should have picked georgia. Just would have been a better game.

And hey I'd rather have wimbush then speight. I'm not smacking wimbush. I'm smacking you guys for always wanting a different qb every season. (And don't try to say you don't)
 
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TheDecker said:
Not really.

Michigan "competed for" an MNC in 1997, which Nebraska also "competed for". Based on your logic, Michigan shouldn't have "competed for" that one either, since almost everyone agrees that Nebraska had more talent.

So by you logic it's been about 70 years since Michigan won an NC.......meaning ND has until 2050 to be where Michigan is right now, in terms of NC irrelevance

That's some real food for thought
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Everybody knows Michigan were national champions that year. Except Nebraska fans. They "competed in the 2004 season"

Thats two times in the last 20 years. Notre dame at best has 1 if your gonna try very hard to convince yourself about that. So actually. Nd doesn't have any time

If you want to say Michigan only competed for one and it's a tie. You have to go recent years for the tiebreaker. And Michigan beats nd for having better seasons and a better shot at competing

Let's remember what all started this. A guy said Michigan hasn't competed for a national title in 20 years. Which is just false

I'll give you nd competed for one if you really. Want. But they were the 4th/5th best team in the country that year. Just like they are on all of their best years at best
 
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Oregon had 1 loss to Stanford? Ok? Just because Stanford lost to nd means nd is better then Oregon? Is pitt better then bama this year?

Ohio states schedule wasn't much softer then Nds. Nd played 1 more good team. I'm not saying they should have picked georgia. Just would have been a better game.

And hey I'd rather have wimbush then speight. I'm not smacking wimbush. I'm smacking you guys for always wanting a different qb every season. (And don't try to say you don't)
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No, not talking any transitive property, just stating facts that ND beat Stanford (and also SC). ND didn't have a loss and was ranked (by Sagarin) as having a better schedule than Stanford, Georgia, and OSU. Now those are facts, not some rival fan giving an eyeball test of schedules and saying that this or that team would have given Bama a better game. or beaten ND. That is pure conjecture on your part.
Notre Dame was number one in BCS Poll and undefeated. Even though they got blown out by Bama, they deserved to be there. End of story!

Don't paint every fan with the same brush, I don't play the QB round robin wish game plus I'm not a guy!
 
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Sleeping Storm said:
Everybody knows Michigan were national champions that year. Except Nebraska fans. They "competed in the 2004 season"

Thats two times in the last 20 years. Notre dame at best has 1 if your gonna try very hard to convince yourself about that. So actually. Nd doesn't have any time

If you want to say Michigan only competed for one and it's a tie. You have to go recent years for the tiebreaker. And Michigan beats nd for having better seasons and a better shot at competing

Let's remember what all started this. A guy said Michigan hasn't competed for a national title in 20 years. Which is just false

I'll give you nd competed for one if you really. Want. But they were the 4th/5th best team in the country that year. Just like they are on all of their best years at best
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You just can't make stuff up and pass it off as a fact. No, not "everyone knows" that Michigan was NC that year. I personally think Nebraska was head and shoulders above Michigan. Your agenda here is obvious. Stop trying to palm off your obvious pot stirring for legitimate discourse.
 
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No, not talking any transitive property, just stating facts that ND beat Stanford (and also SC). ND didn't have a loss and was ranked (by Sagarin) as having a better schedule than Stanford, Georgia, and OSU. Now those are facts, not some rival fan giving an eyeball test of schedules and saying that this or that team would have given Bama a better game. or beaten ND. That is pure conjecture on your part.
Notre Dame was number one in BCS Poll and undefeated. Even though they got blown out by Bama, they deserved to be there. End of story!
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In reality, he's simply using the result of the game as justification for who did or didn't belong in the game. I thought anyone who had passed sophomore year in high school would see the fallacy in that logic, but maybe this guy is just a freshman.
 
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Sleeping Storm said:
Everybody knows Michigan were national champions that year. Except Nebraska fans. They "competed in the 2004".

Thats two times in the last 20 years. Notre dame at best has 1 if your gonna try very hard to convince yourself about that. So actually. Nd doesn't have any time
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Classic Irish said:
You answered this question: "We were 12-0 against a schedule rated around #20. So who do you suppose should have played Alabama instead of us?"? Can you please restate your answer since I'm unable to find it?
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I listed who should have played. I didn't answer the question directly. I quoted another post. But I would have said the same thing
 
twalsh said:
In reality, he's simply using the result of the game as justification for who did or didn't belong in the game. I thought anyone who had passed sophomore year in high school would see the fallacy in that logic, but maybe this guy is just a freshman.
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Actually 5th grade honor roll
 
NDSMC78 said:
You just can't make stuff up and pass it off as a fact. No, not "everyone knows" that Michigan was NC that year. I personally think Nebraska was head and shoulders above Michigan. Your agenda here is obvious. Stop trying to palm off your obvious pot stirring for legitimate discourse.
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Ok. You're trying to discredit me saying Notre dame shouldn't belong in the nc they weren't even a number 2 team. But then you do a spin and try to say Michigan wasn't even in the conversation/ they didn't win. Even though the ap poll was the real poll at that time. And through the entire 90s
 
irishalice said:
No, not talking any transitive property, just stating facts that ND beat Stanford (and also SC). ND didn't have a loss and was ranked (by Sagarin) as having a better schedule than Stanford, Georgia, and OSU. Now those are facts, not some rival fan giving an eyeball test of schedules and saying that this or that team would have given Bama a better game. or beaten ND. That is pure conjecture on your part.
Notre Dame was number one in BCS Poll and undefeated. Even though they got blown out by Bama, they deserved to be there. End of story!

Don't paint every fan with the same brush, I don't play the QB round robin wish game plus I'm not a guy!
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irishalice said:
No, not talking any transitive property, just stating facts that ND beat Stanford (and also SC). ND didn't have a loss and was ranked (by Sagarin) as having a better schedule than Stanford, Georgia, and OSU. Now those are facts, not some rival fan giving an eyeball test of schedules and saying that this or that team would have given Bama a better game. or beaten ND. That is pure conjecture on your part.
Notre Dame was number one in BCS Poll and undefeated. Even though they got blown out by Bama, they deserved to be there. End of story!

Don't paint every fan with the same brush, I don't play the QB round robin wish game plus I'm not a guy!
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Sc? If you're talking about Notre dame. USC wasn't a good team. They were mediocore. If you're talking about South Carolina I'm not saying Georgia should have been there. But they would have put up a better fight. They played bama better then nd did. I'm not saying the final score would be 21-20 or something

And ok sorry about that
 
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