Brandon Wimbush is....

[88ND]

A tail back who happens to throw.

Most QB's are described as a QB who can also run.

BW is the exact opposite. He's a tailback who can also throw.

Let's extend BK respect in that he would be working on this accuracy thing from moment one.

I can honestly say his accuracy is no different from day 1.

He's an incredible athlete and he will make a great throw then come right back and not only miss but miss badly.

He can get better at reading a defense and a pocket presence but his accuracy is where it is.

He will make a bad throw with atrocious mechanics but then have perfect mechanics and make an equally inaccurate throw.

I think it's wonderful being so athletic at the QB spot again but the coaches need to understand his limitations and help him be successful.

 

[zonairish]

A tail back who happens to throw.

Most QB's are described as a QB who can also run.

BW is the exact opposite. He's a tailback who can also throw.

Let's extend BK respect in that he would be working on this accuracy thing from moment one.

I can honestly say his accuracy is no different from day 1.

He's an incredible athlete and he will make a great throw then come right back and not only miss but miss badly.

He can get better at reading a defense and a pocket presence but his accuracy is where it is.

He will make a bad throw with atrocious mechanics but then have perfect mechanics and make an equally inaccurate throw.

I think it's wonderful being so athletic at the QB spot again but the coaches need to understand his limitations and help him be successful.

88, cannot disagree with a lot of what you said above. Where is the coaching, QB Coach etc with wimbush?

 

[Irish Grandeur]

BW is ND's quarterback. Criticize him, if you will, but he will be the starter the next two years. I like ND's chances going forward - especially if ND pulls out a Top-10 finish this year after an abysmal 2016.

This year's team is young - very young! And, there is some fantastic talent in their depth. Keep getting up big and bring in the reserves - that's something ND has not done in a very long time and it's paying off this year.

 

[88ND]

88, cannot disagree with a lot of what you said above. Where is the coaching, QB Coach etc with wimbush?

Exactly. Let's assume that BK obviously recognizes the accuracy issues. I would be willing to bet he's getting coached more on throwing than anything else. I can't say it's helping him.

In the rare event he's not getting extra coaching then shame on them for 6 weeks.

 

[NDskins]

He is a better passer than Vince Young and VY took texas to the promise land.

 

[john0gaunt]

Game is finally online so I was able to rewatch it. BW is not responsible for all those points scored against us. To Kelly's credit, he accepts it was him and the staff that failed. When BW misses, he misses where nobody else can catch the ball. And as has been pointed out here, he made a couple of bad throws also.

Here's hoping he puts it behind him, learns, and wins a few more games this year.

 

[impossibilityofreason1]

With all his passing struggles, I love this kid. He never hangs his head. I am fine with him as our starting quarterback. All of the blame for Saturday night isn't on him. No one on the team made a play. Book threw a pick 6 six. I saw a thread about Wimbush not starting next year. Real wise to go with a true freshman in Jurkovec or RS freshman Davis.

 

[zonairish]

Game is finally online so I was able to rewatch it. BW is not responsible for all those points scored against us. To Kelly's credit, he accepts it was him and the staff that failed. When BW misses, he misses where nobody else can catch the ball. And as has been pointed out here, he made a couple of bad throws also.

Here's hoping he puts it behind him, learns, and wins a few more games this year.

I looked at the game film and BW throws a lot of piss poor passes. Yes, the coaches had a horrid game plan. However, BW should have more interceptions thrown. He was lucky that on the first drive alone there should have been an interception.

 

[john0gaunt]

He definitely didn't have his best game. UM was all over the field and played a heck of a defensive game. Like they knew every play in advance. Hat's off to their coach. What's important now is how BW comes back from it.

 

[88ND]

He is a better passer than Vince Young and VY took texas to the promise land.

VY was a man amongst boys out there. Cam was the same way.

I literally mean those two players were gigantic. They were linebackers playing QB and made hay with the legs.

See their coaching knew their limitations.

Our coaches think apparently he can make all the throws. Not even close.
The golden rule with Wimbush is...
You do NOT call high risk passing plays with Brandon Wimbush!!! Period. !!!


That's the difference between BW and Young and Newton. Those players were massive and literally ran over the opponent...then threw the ball.

BW is a total quagmire.

Golson got caught up in that horseshit too.
Making it a point to have to complete all the different passes and refused to take off running. That was his undoing right there. Golson was much more effective earlier in career when he was much more of a dual threat.

 

[actionfx]

It's his first season as a starter so I'll cut him some slack. Maybe he needs to throw darts like Lou had Tony Rice do. As a runner BW is very effective. He's shown spurts of good passes like the SC game. Hopefully with the off season he'll be much sharper next season and if he does, look out. BUT, we've also had dropped passes by our WRs so it's not all on him.

 

[88ND]

It's his first season as a starter so I'll cut him some slack. Maybe he needs to throw darts like Lou had Tony Rice do. As a runner BW is very effective. He's shown spurts of good passes like the SC game. Hopefully with the off season he'll be much sharper next season and if he does, look out. BUT, we've also had dropped passes by our WRs so it's not all on him.

Maybe...there is a big difference though.

The passing plays Rice ran were very very simplified. Traditional play action deep outs. A long bomb.

I don't think the coaches today at least on this staff can help themselves and simplify the passing.

First of all you got a completely different offense. Not just a little different but massive like...as in a power I with two flankers wuth Tony Rice vs. a total three, four or five wide spread offense present day.

Most passing plays under Kelly and Long too we have not just one guy going out but usually three recievers at a minimum and sometimes five.

They just can't help themselves.

Tony Rice couldn't play QB in the offense of today.

It requires a lot of precise passing. The windows are there but very small.

Wimbush would have been great in a Lou Holtz offense.

The offense today we see the struggle.

 

[TOMMY_23]

88, cannot disagree with a lot of what you said above. Where is the coaching, QB Coach etc with wimbush?

The current QB coach demonstrated he could not play the position from 2010-2013. I don’t know what he could teach any QB on the roster?

 

[88ND]

The current QB coach demonstrated he could not play the position from 2010-2013. I don’t know what he could teach any QB on the roster?

I agree with nearly all of your points Tommy but remember just because you were a great player does not translate to coaching and vice versa. Often times it's a negative effect because the player doesn't share your ability.

Rees may not be any good at coaching but it definitely isn't because of his lack of skill.

 

[IRISHJD98]

It's his first season as a starter so I'll cut him some slack. Maybe he needs to throw darts like Lou had Tony Rice do. As a runner BW is very effective. He's shown spurts of good passes like the SC game. Hopefully with the off season he'll be much sharper next season and if he does, look out. BUT, we've also had dropped passes by our WRs so it's not all on him.

Even on that first drive Saturday, he made a couple third down plays that kept the drive alive. Its a consistency issue. There's certain routes he's routinely high on, and IMO it looks like Miami game-planned in part to capitalize specifically on that in their coverage calls - counting on the (scouted) hope that he wouldn't work through his progressions and recognize his other options. Rather than throwing darts, I'd love to hear that he and his receivers get together throw as much as possible during the first part of summer school when their load is a little lighter. He needs to keep studying film too.

 

[IRISHJD98]

Maybe...there is a big difference though.

The passing plays Rice ran were very very simplified. Traditional play action deep outs. A long bomb.

I don't think the coaches today at least on this staff can help themselves and simplify the passing.

First of all you got a completely different offense. Not just a little different but massive like...as in a power I with two flankers wuth Tony Rice vs. a total three, four or five wide spread offense present day.

Most passing plays under Kelly and Long too we have not just one guy going out but usually three recievers at a minimum and sometimes five.

They just can't help themselves.

Tony Rice couldn't play QB in the offense of today.

It requires a lot of precise passing. The windows are there but very small.

Wimbush would have been great in a Lou Holtz offense.

The offense today we see the struggle.

Good observations. Not really disagreeing, but I think Long is more than willing to give Wimbush deep play action shots. If Wimbush can start hitting those consistently, and the execute the screen pass that absolutely eludes him, I think those two things alone could make a huge impact.

 

[zonairish]

I agree with nearly all of your points Tommy but remember just because you were a great player does not translate to coaching and vice versa. Often times it's a negative effect because the player doesn't share your ability.

Rees may not be any good at coaching but it definitely isn't because of his lack of skill.

Rees may not be ready for the job