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Well ,everybody tauting how good this kid is ?

Watching the Iowa State beat Oklahoma with a 3 rd string Qb, Kempt, , who hardly played , can't believe them beating the # 3 team .

Definitely not impressed with Book .
 
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Izo said:
Well ,everybody tauting how good this kid is ?

Watching the Iowa State beat Oklahoma with a 3 rd string Qb, Kempt, , who hardly played , can't believe them beating the # 3 team .

Definitely not impressed with Book .
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Book will be ok over time, but he is not even close to Wimbush as a running treat !
 
I think he is doing fine....Other than the one INT, he is playing fairly clean football and is doing an ok job moving the ball.

He's clearly not the runner Wimbush is, but is smoother in the pass game.
 
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Looks like I jinxed him....Not sure where the hell he was throwing that....There was not a ND player anywhere near the pass.
 
Izo said:
Well ,everybody tauting how good this kid is ?

Watching the Iowa State beat Oklahoma with a 3 rd string Qb, Kempt, , who hardly played , can't believe them beating the # 3 team .

Definitely not impressed with Book .
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Kempt is a senior who played a bit at Oregon (State I think) and then had community college experience, so not quite apples to apples. I did expect a bit more from Book though.
 
Not in the same world as Wimbush. Really solid, but even with Wimbush struggling as a passer, his dynamic running ability all is enough to stress a defense. As he progresses as a passer, he'll be outstanding.

Book is, exactly who he is and there is nothing wrong with that. A solid backup who can be a safety blanket for Wimbush and help the transition for Jurkovec.
 
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Book has done an adequate job, couple of bad throws turned into INT's, the throw from the one yardline, he didn't look off the safety. The int in the red zone was a mystery, but he is a red shirt freshman. he's getting valuable game experience, his first start is one the road, not to easy for anyone. He's always one play away.
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It is good that Book has this game experience, and , again, he will get better over time. He is also playing under adverse weather conditions.
This season wil hinge on our defense ! As long as our defense does not have a letdown, this can still
Be Kelly’s best season at ND !
 
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Book needs work but it was his first start on and on the road. He needs experience and is only a redshirt freshmen. When will the receivers become more consistent for the QB? Book at this stage is a decent backup and not a liability when we need him again if Wimbush gets banged up. He needs the experience.
 
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I think Ian played well. BK said in his post game that he was very pleased with his QBs performance. He will learn from today's experience and get better. If Brock Huard said it once in the telecast, he said it a couple of times, practice can't replicate the speed of a real game. I can't imagine what was going through the youngster's head during pre-game. Job well done.
 
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rgc7 said:
Book will be ok over time, but he is not even close to Wimbush as a running treat !
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Rgc7, you are right about Book in the sense that he isn't the runner Winbush is. But.......... ( you knew that was coming), he is clearly a better passer at this point. Also I think he runs just enough where defenses have to respect his running ability. Not spectacular but you can't ignore that part of his game. It's only a one game sample and against bad team, but Book handled himself quite well. The second half of the schedule is challenging to say the least. The defense is going to be key if they want to win out. Clearly, running the ball and playing tough defense is their winning formula. Hopefully BW is 100 percent ready for SC. He needs to become efficient at passing. If he does, I think they have a pretty good chance at winning out. Anyway, good win today. There are no bad wins, ever. Go Irish!!
 
I give Book a solid B for his performance. He didn't look overwhelmed and made many good throws.
 
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Izo said:
Well ,everybody tauting how good this kid is ?

Watching the Iowa State beat Oklahoma with a 3 rd string Qb, Kempt, , who hardly played , can't believe them beating the # 3 team .

Definitely not impressed with Book .
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Geez, you do realize he is the backup QB, making his first start, on the road, in bad weather, don't you???
 
I thought Book did fine in his first start, even if it was against a decimated team.

I still think Wimbush's arm is going to cost us big. He has been lucky he hasn't thrown about five or six pick sixes this season. And then you get those bizarre sidearm laterals be bounces out of bounds. One of these days a DB will scoop one up for a TD.

Until Wimbush learns to throw, I just don't see how anyone can call him a great quarterback.
 
BW starts against UOJ if he is healthy but if he comes out cold in the first half and ND needs to throw it dont be surprised to see Book off the bench like Tommy did once.
 
Book seems like a more mobile Tommy Rees. A solid backup, but not necessarily who you want starting. He will improve though.
 
Nocalirish said:
BW starts against UOJ if he is healthy but if he comes out cold in the first half and ND needs to throw it dont be surprised to see Book off the bench like Tommy did once.
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BK really touts BW even during his struggles so don't know if that will happen. I'm thinking he learned a lesson after last years QB situation and won't create that type of controversy. Unless BW is say, 1-12 and the team is down by a few scores, BW is the guy. I really think this game off to "see" the field as an observer along with these next few weeks will make a difference for him. Now if only the WR crew can make some things happen on their end...
 
Izo said:
Well ,everybody tauting how good this kid is ?

Watching the Iowa State beat Oklahoma with a 3 rd string Qb, Kempt, , who hardly played , can't believe them beating the # 3 team .

Definitely not impressed with Book .
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Don't connect those dots.

Also please don't try and claim to know what Wimbush would have done yesyerday. I hate that shit.
Barkley for Penn State was held under 100 yes total from scrimmage yesterday by an unranked northwestern team in good weather.

I thought book did a fine job considering it was a monsoon at times, his first start etc.

BW can't throw the ****ing ball in the dry let alone in that mess yesterday.

Book was an effective enough runner yesterday.
 
You mean to tell me that our back-up, redshirt Freshman QB starting for the first time on the road in a 33-10 win didn't meet your standards?
 
Book reminds me a little bit of Joe Montana. Watch that first touchdown pass yesterday. It looked Montana-esque, the way he rolled out and threw a strike on the run. He has good mobility, like Montana. I'm not saying he's as good as Montana, just that his style of play is similar.
 
Book was fine. He did his job. We got a road win and Wimbush gets to recover. That was the meat and potatoes. More than that is just garnish.
 
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Here is something to consider. For the first time in a long time the Irish are a legit power run offense. I love that. This is why they are sitting at 5 and 1. A strong run game and solid defense always has been the foundation for winning at ND. They could have and maybe should have beaten Georgia. They had every chance but came up short. Georgia looks like the real deal. It puts that loss into perspective. Also in all 5 wins , the Irish won rather handily. No nail biting or squirming. Especially in the second half you saw the opponent wear down. Now are there concerns? Yes. Are the correctable? Yes. This team is coming together game by game. You can see it. The second half is going to be challenging. It also has opportunity. Every game will be tough. But if they can continue to play the way they are and get a passing game to compliment the run, they have a good chance to win out. It won't be easy. But they can do it. I feel pretty good knowing that if BW can't go, Book can do the job. That's a big plus. The running backs are running hard every play. Fighting for each yard and punishing would be tacklers. The offensive line is getting better and better. Really taking a physical approach and it's been paying dividends in the 2nd halves of each game. The defense is so much better. They are fun to watch. Special teams needs work. Not bad but not good. I think Kelly's philosophy is to not make mistakes on special teams. It's a conservative approach. I like it when special teams can turn momentum in a game. Anyway, 5 and 1 is really good. I'm looking forward to the next half of the season. Hopefully it will be enjoyable. Go Irish!!
 
Book wasn't terrible ... but if we would've had to rely on him throwing it to win ... we would've lost .... Book is a decent backup ... that's all he is
 
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Rgc7, you are right about Book in the sense that he isn't the runner Winbush is. But.......... ( you knew that was coming), he is clearly a better passer at this point. Also I think he runs just enough where defenses have to respect his running ability. Not spectacular but you can't ignore that part of his game. It's only a one game sample and against bad team, but Book handled himself quite well. The second half of the schedule is challenging to say the least. The defense is going to be key if they want to win out. Clearly, running the ball and playing tough defense is their winning formula. Hopefully BW is 100 percent ready for SC. He needs to become efficient at passing. If he does, I think they have a pretty good chance at winning out. Anyway, good win today. There are no bad wins, ever. Go Irish!!
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tKIrish,
Agree with you on all points. I think that Book handled himself very well in his first start and will only get better. He is a very good backup, and eventually with be a good starting QB. He seems to have all the tools,
And , at this point, Book seems to be a better passer than Winbush, but I think Winbush will improve his passing as the season progresses ,
Nice to have two very Solid QB’s who can both be very productive.
 
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I am a fan of Wimbush. He is a kid who can be a great college QB in the manner that T Rice was.
But he is in his 2nd year so we would know if he was a great natural passer by now. No.
However, he does not need to be a great passer, just proficient. ND can certainly win games with him.
He is a true enough duel threat to require teams to defense him.
 
The move was brilliant in retrospect for Kelly. Keep Wimbush out to heal and not get hurt in the bad weather. Balls of steel to stick with his decision even with the bad weather and ND was a little slow at first moving and scoring. Kelly stayed with his decision. Book got much needed game experience.

Now a healthy team practicing for the team from socal that is assuming our QB has a sore foot and no arm. Wimbush doesn't have an arm. He has a cannon. 2 weeks to prepare. Kelly has this team in a perfect spot.

For anyone saying this team is not gonna go 11-1, right now there is no reason to believe they won't. Kelly has proven he can coach a team to 12-0. 11-1 isn't impossible for him. Especially when he and the team all know this team could easily be 12-0 right now.

Go Irish!
 
justified1 said:
I am a fan of Wimbush. He is a kid who can be a great college QB in the manner that T Rice was.
But he is in his 2nd year so we would know if he was a great natural passer by now. No.
However, he does not need to be a great passer, just proficient. ND can certainly win games with him.
He is a true enough duel threat to require teams to defense him.
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He’s in his first year as a starter - he saw a handful of reps last year. But I agree that he is plenty capable of leading the team and winning as long as he can bring his accuracy up a bit. Has to be able to punish the teams putting 7 and 8 in the box against him.
 
iwish said:
He’s in his first year as a starter - he saw a handful of reps last year. But I agree that he is plenty capable of leading the team and winning as long as he can bring his accuracy up a bit. Has to be able to punish the teams putting 7 and 8 in the box against him.
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Wimbush did not play at all last year. Did see some time in 2015.
 
Disagree w/ the OP. I thought he played really well for a redshirt frosh in his first start. The INT from our goal line was a bad decision but wasn't the worst thing in the world considering where the ball was and the other INT looked as though he thought smythe would break the other way. All in all, he put the ball on the money and was pretty elusive and showed good feet. I'm not saying to bench wimbush but saying book didn't play well is wrong, imho.
 
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I think Book played well enough to win, and that's all we needed him to do.

First time starter, on the road, in the rain and you get the win?? I'll take it.
He's not polished, but I surely didn't expect him to be. UNC was a bad team and that's why he started. Had this been USC week, Wimbush would have been in there.

He did what we needed him to do - nothing more, nothing less.
 
BW first game stats 17 for 30, 1 int, 2 td, 184 yds with a long of 34 yds, sacked twice.
IB first game stats 13 for 31, 2 int, 1 td, 146 yds with a long of 23 yds, sacked once.
Both ran the ball 12 times, BW for 106 and a td, and IB for 45 no td.
 
tkirish said:
Rgc7, you are right about Book in the sense that he isn't the runner Winbush is. But.......... ( you knew that was coming), he is clearly a better passer at this point. Also I think he runs just enough where defenses have to respect his running ability. Not spectacular but you can't ignore that part of his game. It's only a one game sample and against bad team, but Book handled himself quite well. The second half of the schedule is challenging to say the least. The defense is going to be key if they want to win out. Clearly, running the ball and playing tough defense is their winning formula. Hopefully BW is 100 percent ready for SC. He needs to become efficient at passing. If he does, I think they have a pretty good chance at winning out. Anyway, good win today. There are no bad wins, ever. Go Irish!!
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TK

That used to be the thought-- that Ian was a better passer. Not after this game. 2 nits and missed reads and some bad throws. Now I see him as a capable back up who throws a nice ball. Not always to the location
BW has more upside and has n
Made some decent throws. I do not see a big difference between them anymore
 
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