BIG 10 looking to add 4 schools

[Telx1]

Man. Pac 12 going down hard

The Conference looks to be sitting on their ass while individual teams are cutting deals to bail. Looks like Oregon and Wash to the Big will happen In the footsteps of USC and UCLA. I don’t buy the Stanford and Berkeley narrative that will follow suit as well. Neither brings a meaningful TV audience to the table.

Personally, I think the Big 12 is likely to go after the two Arizona teams and Utah, and what remains of the PAC 12 will be forced to mostly merge with the mountain west conference...San Diego St and Fresno St and UNIVERSITY of Las Vegas and Boise St, etc…. I would have expected the PAC 12 to be the predator and expand in this environment, but they’re the damn prey! Amazing.

 

[tbonesays]

They also need to park their other sports somewhere. If the ACC loses FSU, Clemson and Miami, the 5 games ND football will have to continue to play would be atrocious.
ND would have two options:
Renegotiate with the ACC down to 2-3 games/ year
Park their other sports in another conference, but where?

I think that would end our ACC contract. The conference would not be the same one that ND agreed to join. One would assume that Savvy Jack made sure there are terms that address what happens if schools leave before the GOR is up.

Makes me wonder what Jack is doing about this?

 

[POTFHBTFU]

There’s another way to look at it.

That just might get ND out from under the five game commitment with the ACC and allow ND to go back to a more National schedule.

B1G is talking about a 13 game conference schedule and I expect SEC and maybe B12 follows suit. How would no access to the major conferences be a National Schedule? No more USC, Michigan, Georgia. It will be what is equivalent to G5 teams only…

 

[sjb75]

"...talking about..." "I expect..." and "maybe..."

Thanks.

 

[Patrirish]

B1G is talking about a 13 game conference schedule and I expect SEC and maybe B12 follows suit. How would no access to the major conferences be a National Schedule? No more USC, Michigan, Georgia. It will be what is equivalent to G5 teams only…

Please cite the source that is indicating that the B1G will go to a 13 game in conference schedule

 

[Patrirish]

I think that would end our ACC contract. The conference would not be the same one that ND agreed to join. One would assume that Savvy Jack made sure there are terms that address what happens if schools leave before the GOR is up.

Makes me wonder what Jack is doing about this?

Do you think that Jack is going to make the final decision ?

 

[tbonesays]

Do you think that Jack is going to make the final decision ?

Yes, our President is not knowledgeable in these matters.

 

[Patrirish]

Yes, our President is not knowledgeable in these matters.

Would you confirm that it’s your stated opinion that neither Pete Bevacqua, the Board of Trustees or Father Jenkins will make the final decision. Thanks

 

[Holycrossover3]

Is anyone else worried about how we will schedule in the future with the new super conferences? If the conferences go to 20 teams, a 10 game conference schedule seems likely. How would we schedule enough premium games? The big schools in BIG and SEC will have enough of their own big games, why would they also schedule us?

I’m all for independence if we can truly keep our scheduling autonomy. I’m just worried we’ll be left scheduling the left out schools.

 

[Golson5]

Is anyone else worried about how we will schedule in the future with the new super conferences? If the conferences go to 20 teams, a 10 game conference schedule seems likely. How would we schedule enough premium games? The big schools in BIG and SEC will have enough of their own big games, why would they also schedule us?

I’m all for independence if we can truly keep our scheduling autonomy. I’m just worried we’ll be left scheduling the left out schools.

You dont think we can get 10 games out of 60 p5 teams to schedule us?

I dont think getting 10 teams will be hard at all

 

[bluehair666]

You dont think we can get 10 games out of 60 p5 teams to schedule us?

I dont think getting 10 teams will be hard at all

the question is can you get quality p5 teams, and do rivalries such as usc get pushed to the side...not impossible, but the schedule aspect does get more difficult

 

[deadirishpoet]

Clemson
Florida State
Oregon
Washington

If true, this will put an extreme amount of pressure on Notre Dame, with the ACC unraveling.

https://athlonsports.com/college-football/big-ten-expansion-rumors-clemson-florida-state-oregon-washington

I've been listening to this in Nebraska though alot of locals think joining the big 10 was a big mistake

 

[Juniper_Run]

Looks like they're ready to move on Oregon and Washington: https://www.espn.com/college-sports...et-send-invites-oregon-washington-sources-say

 

[sjb75]

I've been listening to this in Nebraska though alot of locals think joining the big 10 was a big mistake

Except for money.

Nebraska has very little chance in the Big 10 to be successful.

 

[Holycrossover3]

You dont think we can get 10 games out of 60 p5 teams to schedule us?

I dont think getting 10 teams will be hard at all

Of course we can get 10 teams to schedule us. The question is, which teams?

Can we still get high quality Big 10 and SEC schools if they are relegated to only 2 non conference games a year? Will they want to schedule ND or will they want two easier games since their conference schedules will be tougher?

That’s all I’m asking. I just don’t want to be stuck playing leftover ACC BIG12 & PAC12 schools….

 

[deadirishpoet]

Except for money.

Nebraska has very little chance in the Big 10 to be successful.

They have a big time HC now who knows how to rebuild a program so we'll see

 

[Golson5]

Of course we can get 10 teams to schedule us. The question is, which teams?

Can we still get high quality Big 10 and SEC schools if they are relegated to only 2 non conference games a year? Will they want to schedule ND or will they want two easier games since their conference schedules will be tougher?

That’s all I’m asking. I just don’t want to be stuck playing leftover ACC BIG12 & PAC12 schools….

Of course we could.

We schedule 2 to 3 elite teams a year. 4 to 5 solid teams. And then a group of lower level teams

No reason we still couldn't do that

 

[bluehair666]

Of course we can get 10 teams to schedule us. The question is, which teams?

Can we still get high quality Big 10 and SEC schools if they are relegated to only 2 non conference games a year? Will they want to schedule ND or will they want two easier games since their conference schedules will be tougher?

That’s all I’m asking. I just don’t want to be stuck playing leftover ACC BIG12 & PAC12 schools….

they will likely refuse to schedule any home and home games for OOC if they only have 2 OOC games

 

[tbonesays]

Is anyone else worried about how we will schedule in the future with the new super conferences? If the conferences go to 20 teams, a 10 game conference schedule seems likely. How would we schedule enough premium games? The big schools in BIG and SEC will have enough of their own big games, why would they also schedule us?

I’m all for independence if we can truly keep our scheduling autonomy. I’m just worried we’ll be left scheduling the left out schools.

Like TN State?

 

[NDinNJ]

I've been listening to this in Nebraska though alot of locals think joining the big 10 was a big mistake

They could always go back to the B12. Didn't they leave because of Texas anyway? Now that UT is gone they join with Colorado.

 

[Zorich 88]

Two supper conference

Just like the NFL

NFC vs AFC with 3-5 divisions within each

ND will not be an independent within 5 years

 

[sjb75]

Of course we could.

We schedule 2 to 3 elite teams a year. 4 to 5 solid teams. And then a group of lower level teams

No reason we still couldn't do that

The bottom line is Notre Dame wants to remain Independent in Football, in the worst way, from Father Jenkins to Jack Swarbick to Pete Bevacqua to the Board Of Trustees. More power to them.

The thought of nine Big 10 games per season in football, or anywhere else for that matter, does not sit well in South Bend.

 

[TDIrish27]

I agree but don't think they'll have that long to make a decision.

IMO they'll have to take a step one way or the other within 2 years.

Frankly I don't know how you can avoid joining one.

The game is rapidly changing direction.

 

[BucksLAN]

they will likely refuse to schedule any home and home games for OOC if they only have 2 OOC games

I agree with this, I don't think the Big 10 can schedule home and homes anymore or else they'll be stuck playing 6 home and 6 away during the year they go on the road for an OOC matchup. Ohio State is doing it this year going to south bend + playing 5 road conference games, last year they had 8 home games

 

[tbonesays]

I agree with this, I don't think the Big 10 can schedule home and homes anymore or else they'll be stuck playing 6 home and 6 away during the year they go on the road for an OOC matchup. Ohio State is doing it this year going to south bend + playing 5 road conference games, last year they had 8 home games

Depends if you, I mean we, want to give up our FCS waste of time game.

 

[POTFHBTFU]

Please cite the source that is indicating that the B1G will go to a 13 game in conference schedule

It does appear this was a bad rumor going around. Several “sources” on Twitter. Regardless my point remains. I do think it will be tougher to put together a meaningful schedule. If you compare ND schedules to where they were 5-10 years ago it’s a huge drop in quality. And dropping the acc won’t make it any better.

 

[deadirishpoet]

They could always go back to the B12. Didn't they leave because of Texas anyway? Now that UT is gone they join with Colorado.

That is true but I think the B12 is being dismantled

 

[deadirishpoet]

Two supper conference

Just like the NFL

NFC vs AFC with 3-5 divisions within each

ND will not be an independent within 5 years

I have the same feeling

 

[bluehair666]

when, not if, the $EC and BigTen adopt revenue sharing, that could be a bridge too far for ND...

 

[Patrirish]

An interesting dynamic is in play.

Conferences are shrinking and the CFP is expanding.

If there were only two or four conferences left standing, why have a CFP with more than two or four teams ?

Wouldn‘t the obvious structure of the CFP be to let the two or four conference champs play for the NC ?

 

[NDinNJ]

An interesting dynamic is in play.

Conferences are shrinking and the CFP is expanding.

If there were only two or four conferences left standing, why have a CFP with more than two or four teams ?

Wouldn‘t the obvious structure of the CFP be to let the two or four conference champs play for the NC ?

Because there would be lawsuits. FBS teams suing that they don't have access to the cfp.

 

[Patrirish]

Because there would be lawsuits. FBS teams suing that they don't have access to the cfp.

In practice, did they have access when only 4 teams qualified ?

 

[NDinNJ]

In practice, did they have access when only 4 teams qualified ?

yes. ND made the playoffs twice, Cincinnati once. ND as an Independent and UC as a Group of 5 school.

 

[Patrirish]

yes. ND made the playoffs twice, Cincinnati once. ND as an Independent and UC as a Group of 5 school.

ND held unique status in the CFP, per prior agreement.

Cincinnati was the one exception

 

[topdecktiger]

ND held unique status in the CFP, per prior agreement.

Cincinnati was the one exception

Nobody had unique status under the prior agreement.

 

[topdecktiger]

They could always go back to the B12. Didn't they leave because of Texas anyway? Now that UT is gone they join with Colorado.

No. They left because half the Big 12 was considering leaving for the Pac 12, and Missouri was considering leaving gor the Big Ten. They didn't want to get left behind.

 

[tbonesays]

No. They left because half the Big 12 was considering leaving for the Pac 12, and Missouri was considering leaving gor the Big Ten. They didn't want to get left behind.

Both of those were 'because of Texas.'

 

[Patrirish]

Nobody had unique status under the prior agreement.

You may want to reconsider your position.

GOVERNANCE​

University presidents and chancellors from all 10 FBS conferences and Notre Dame serve as the board of managers and govern the administrative operations, with commissioners and Notre Dame athletics director (the Management Committee) managing the event. A small staff in the CFP office in Irving, Texas, carries out the day-to-day responsibilities.

 

[topdecktiger]

You may want to reconsider your position.

GOVERNANCE​

University presidents and chancellors from all 10 FBS conferences and Notre Dame serve as the board of managers and govern the administrative operations, with commissioners and Notre Dame athletics director (the Management Committee) managing the event. A small staff in the CFP office in Irving, Texas, carries out the day-to-day responsibilities.

No, I don't believe I need to do that. This article makes that very clear.

 

[topdecktiger]

Both of those were 'because of Texas.'

No they weren't. Oklahoma, A&M, Oklahoma St, and Colorado were all considering leaving, along with Texas.

If it was because of Texas, then those other schools would be trying to get away from Texas, not go with Texas.