Good post. I do not believe Notre Dame will ever have more roster talent than someone like Ohio State.
That said, better than the vast majority.
Anybody not sold yet on the massive talent disparity at Notre Dame after the first three rounds of the 2025 draft?
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That said, better than the vast majority.
Its OSU Oregon Texas now, 3 years ago it was Alabama LSU and Georgia, 5 years before that it was Florida and FSU. Before that it was Texas, Miami, and USC with other modern powers and blue bloods sprinkled throughout the last 25 years.
the team that ND fans say ND will "never be like" from a talent standpoint is not OSU/Alabama/Georgia in isolation...its a revolving door of the biggest and baddest brands in the sport over the last 25 years.
And if you acknowledge/concede that ND will never have rosters as good as the best programs in the country, then you also have to concede the point that they will never realistically compete with the best teams in the country. And that is where im at as a fan right now. That is the energy behind these posts. Lots of frustration.
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I just dont think one has anything to do with the other and ND uses "academic standards" rhetoric as a crutch to excuse away their incompetence and lack of vision and leadership on the recruiting trail
Can you imagine being some coach at ND making millions in salary crying about academic standards as to why you didn't close on a top target on the recruiting trail in 2025? 🤣
My point here is that there are so many other levers a program can pull on if they want a guy bad enough in modern recruiting. The fact that the kid might have to take some tougher classes shouldn't be some insurmountable negotiation ending irrevocable dealbreaker.
My point here is that there are so many other levers a program can pull on if they want a guy bad enough in modern recruiting. The fact that the kid might have to take some tougher classes shouldn't be some insurmountable negotiation ending irrevocable dealbreaker.
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Yet F+ had them ranked 4th in the country. Either F+ isn't reliable anymore or we have a ton of talent. Or you have to agree with the team composite rankings of 9 overall and 5th per player avg. Either way far from incompetent with either number you choose to use
You're really stuck between a rock and a hard place on this one.
The best thing about MF is that he doesn't cry about it. He uses it as a tool to get intelligent kids while also being high level football players. He has never onc3 complained about it and that's probably why he is one of the best recruiters in the country
When you consider last year we had three Juniors go...
ALT (1)
Fisher (2)
Estime (5)
Morrison (2)
Watt (3)
Kiser (4)
Mills (5)
Evans (5)
So, when you add those three to the rest it ain't so bad. And when you consider, of the 5 drafted this year, 6 with Leonard, it means we have a really young and deep team (esp. since our best draftee really didn't play this year!)
ALT (1)
Fisher (2)
Estime (5)
Morrison (2)
Watt (3)
Kiser (4)
Mills (5)
Evans (5)
So, when you add those three to the rest it ain't so bad. And when you consider, of the 5 drafted this year, 6 with Leonard, it means we have a really young and deep team (esp. since our best draftee really didn't play this year!)
"not so bad" doesn't win national titles....only being THE BEST or ONE OF THE BEST does.
But we were a series away from winning a title last year! (We beat the SEC Champ and the Big Ten Runner Up! and nearly beat one of the most talented CF teams of the last ten years!) And this, when we had a 'transitional' year -- read: rebuilding -- along the offensive line, which doesn't happen often at ND! We are typically among the top 3-5 in OL...but after losing two Juniors (in rounds one and two) in the previous draft (not many teams could say that!) we had a down year. And still, we nearly won it all!
I don't see how we could do much more... we are ND which means we aren't a semi pro program like the ones you so treasure. Our kids go to REAL CLASSES and get a REAL DEGREE.
I'm proud of that fact.
Your second to last paragraph is why I never compare Notre Dame FB recruiting to Ohio St. FB recruiting. It's not fair to the coaching staff.
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You can't win this debate. No matter what you say, and no matter what facts you put on the table, the poster always moves the goalposts.
It's not even about the academics. The real issue is if a 5 star kid is making a decision between school A where they don't have to go to class or Notre Dame where they must take a full curriculum, most are going to choose the easier route.
Chase is either ignorant or too stupid to see it.
Chase is either ignorant or too stupid to see it.
It's based off his own assessment. Remember, he also stated Riley Leonard has 1st round talent.
Is that you Mrs Angeli? Oh my fault, that's Mrs Fickell.
So you agree with Chase that the team is less talented than before. So you wanna wager on future drafts and the talent on this team ?
Another piece of eveidence....the 21 class had a per player avg of 89.94. While the 25 class had a player avg of 91.02
Just more eveidence destroying your false narratives
I didn't say that. It's funny how you put words in my mouth. Cite where I stated this team is less talented than before.
So it's not based off my own assessment. It's based off multiple things. Nice try though. So you agree with me. Just like usual, you are obsessed so you had to comment on something you agree with me on and still tried talking shit 🤣🤣. Pathetic
Not only is that not true, but it’s one of the most ignorant remarks that you’ve made on this site.
Father Hesburgh made sure that academic standards would remain at a high level for all students, including student athletes and Father Malloy perpetuated those standards
Here’s MY QUESTION.
As UNLIKELY AS IT IS, if ND should ever comply with your WISH LIST, what’s your PROJECTED RESULT? Specifically, how many more playoff appearances per decade and how many NC’S would that amount to?
PER DECADE.
In other words, what is the ACTUAL MATERIAL IMPACT if you should succeed in your CRUSADE?
Holtz had arguably the BEST TALENT in CFB between 88 and 93, and he won EXACTLY ONE NC. And that was before playoffs and at a time when ND ALWAYS got the benefit of the doubt if it went UNDEFEATED.
But, again, even with the BEST TALENT, it only went undefeated during that period ONCE.
On the other hand, should ND continue to recruit at the current level – and I would venture that it may, without changing its philosophy, even improve on that a bit – it should continue to remain a playoff contender.
And if that’s the case, SOONER OR LATER – assuming it’s been making it to the later rounds – IT WILL ACTUALLY WIN AN NC by virtue of probabilities, luck, the law of large numbers, whatever.
You seem to think that this line that divides ND from being a perennial NC contender and actual WINNER is IMPERMEABLE without completely overhauling how ND operates. But in fact, lines that THIN are regularly BREACHED. At least, over time.
At the same time, you seem to be implying that if ND DOES EXACTLY WHAT YOU WISH, that something FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT will occur? PLEASE. TELL ME WHAT THAT THING IS. Another Saban like run? A more modest Leahy run? One NC a decade, two, three?
Please, WHAT DOES YOUR ND AS FOOTBALL-FACTORY-HOLY-LAND LOOK LIKE?
One thing to remember. NIL and the portal have transformed the game completely. Case in point. Does anyone think ND goes to the NC without RL as the QB ? It is doubtful they get that far if Angeli started. Not impossible, just not probable.
That’s a valid point, but it also applies to the opposition, they wouldn’t be allowed to import talent either
