Anybody not sold yet on the massive talent disparity at Notre Dame after the first three rounds of the 2025 draft?

[chaseball]

It highlights to what degree this past 2024 team lacking any real top end talent was coached up to still produce a top 5 F+ on the season. Watts and BenMo might fall as low as the 3rd round most of the other guys are mid-late round and udfa types after that.

Is it possible that ND with its massive position, brand, and economic power in college football can find a way to bridge the $20+ million NIL gap between ND and their competitors and start competing for the procurement of the elite prospects in the game?

We got the right coaching staff in place by a mile. Can we eliminate the institutional handicaps and barriers to bridge this gap and dominate the latter half of this decade going forward?

 

[Harpo Marxist]

It highlights to what degree this past 2024 team lacking any real top end talent was coached up to still produce a top 5 F+ on the season. Watts and BenMo might fall as low as the 3rd round most of the other guys are mid-late round and udfa types after that.

Is it possible that ND with its massive position, brand, and economic power in college football can find a way to bridge the $20+ million NIL gap between ND and their competitors, and start contending for the top talent out of HS and TP in the country going forward?

We got the right coaching staff in place by a mile. Can we eliminate the institutional handicaps and barriers to bridge this gap and dominate the latter half of this decade going forward?

Digital virus.

 

[Terry Jillery]

Seems to be changing. Next year we should have a first round pick in Love. If anything we should be stoked this staff did so well without a first round pick. Look at UofM. We could have their shitty coach. But we don’t. Recruiting has been improving the last month.

 

[scubastevefl]

Morrison was a top 15 pick until the hip injury. He might be the steal of the first couple days.

I’m not sold on Love as a first rounder simply because of the current state of the value of the RB position in the NFL.

The two QB’s taken neither was in the playoff. So there’s that.

 

[sjb75]

Morrison was a top 15 pick until the hip injury. He might be the steal of the first couple days.

I’m not sold on Love as a first rounder simply because of the current state of the value of the RB position in the NFL.

The two QB’s taken neither was in the playoff. So there’s that.

If the current state of “…the value of the RB position in the NFL” is a concern with Love going round 1, doesn’t Ashton Jeanty going #5 overall to the Raiders give Jeremiyah hope?

 

[Golson5]

Team is stacked with young talent

 

[chaseball]

Team is stacked with young talent

You don't have any evidence to make this claim.

This outgoing 2025 draft class was from recruiting classes that ranked HIGHER than this recently completed '25 incoming recruiting class.

Also, another interesting fact, 26 of the 32 first round picks were SEC & BIG10 teams. These conferences are REALLY starting to separate and its really unfortunate that ND is stuck in the shittastic ACC for the next 15+ years. This could REALLY put the brand behind. Think of it from a recruits standpoint: go to ND to play shit-tier ACC teams and get no respect or go to the big boy conferences (BIG10 & SEC) where everybody is getting drafted out of the first round from ?

 

[jerbach]

Notre Dame beat three of the best teams in the SEC and BIG during three games in a row and was more than respectable in the NCG. What's the point with "shittier" teams? Put the brand behind what?

 

[savvyandsassier]

Morrison was a top 15 pick until the hip injury. He might be the steal of the first couple days.

I’m not sold on Love as a first rounder simply because of the current state of the value of the RB position in the NFL.

The two QB’s taken neither was in the playoff. So there’s that.

Well we don't know that. That's what they all say until they slip in the draft, which happens every year. It certainly didn't help his prospects that's for sure. Will Johnson didn't go in the 1st round. He was a consensus mock 1st rounder all season I think higher than BenMo.

 

[jerbach]

How does a guy playing for North Dakota State get enough exposure to make the first round?

 

[scubastevefl]

If the current state of “…the value of the RB position in the NFL” is a concern with Love going round 1, doesn’t Ashton Jeanty going #5 overall to the Raiders give Jeremiyah hope?

Jeanty is a unicorn, they appear every decade or so, see Saquon Barkley…teams have been putting less value in the RB position the last 25 years.

 

[sjb75]

Jeanty is a unicorn, they appear every decade or so, see Saquon Barkley…teams have been putting less value in the RB position the last 25 years.

"...see Saquon Barkely?" Less value?

See the Philadelphia Eagles.

 

[sjb75]

How does a guy playing for North Dakota State get enough exposure to make the first round?

Ask Trey Lance.

 

[iLOVEtohurdle41]

You don't have any evidence to make this claim.

This outgoing 2025 draft class was from recruiting classes that ranked HIGHER than this recently completed '25 incoming recruiting class.

Also, another interesting fact, 26 of the 32 first round picks were SEC & BIG10 teams. These conferences are REALLY starting to separate and its really unfortunate that ND is stuck in the shittastic ACC for the next 15+ years. This could REALLY put the brand behind. Think of it from a recruits standpoint: go to ND to play shit-tier ACC teams and get no respect or go to the big boy conferences (BIG10 & SEC) where everybody is getting drafted out of the first round from ?

"These conferences are starting to seperate"

We literally just beat them. They are absolutely not separating. If anything the gap is closing under freeman.

At some point you must acknowledge what happens on the field.

 

[NIN Irish]

How does a guy playing for North Dakota State get enough exposure to make the first round?

It happens all the time. The NFL will find you, wherever you play.

 

[NIN Irish]

Jeanty is a unicorn, they appear every decade or so, see Saquon Barkley…teams have been putting less value in the RB position the last 25 years.

My opinion is it's coming back with the success of Barkley and the Eagles, and just in time for Love to benefit next year.

 

[TK24]

Jeanty going to the Raiders at #6 doesn't reflect a change in the perceived value of running backs in the draft. He was all Boise had and delivered a great year. Raiders have a run 1st head coach and they have no backs on their roster. Barkley did nothing to help the Giants win anything. He went off on a very good Eagles team with a top 3 oline. Love will share carries and not be the only weapon for the Irish. This will dilute his numbers. Plus next years draft should see a more normal group of 1st round quarterbacks taken which will push running backs further down teams boards. Is Love worthy of 1st round consideration? If healthy of course but NFL teams make some strange picks and there are people already questioning the Raiders pick of Jeanty because of their oline situation.

 

[NIN Irish]

Jeanty going to the Raiders at #6 doesn't reflect a change in the perceived value of running backs in the draft. He was all Boise had and delivered a great year. Raiders have a run 1st head coach and they have no backs on their roster. Barkley did nothing to help the Giants win anything. He went off on a very good Eagles team with a top 3 oline. Love will share carries and not be the only weapon for the Irish. This will dilute his numbers. Plus next years draft should see a more normal group of 1st round quarterbacks taken which will push running backs further down teams boards. Is Love worthy of 1st round consideration? If healthy of course but NFL teams make some strange picks and there are people already questioning the Raiders pick of Jeanty because of their oline situation.

The Charger's also selected RB in the first round from North Carolina. What's the reason for that pick?

 

[sjb75]

C

"These conferences are starting to seperate"

We literally just beat them. They are absolutely not separating. If anything the gap is closing under freeman.

At some point you must acknowledge what happens on the field.

This sounds like chaseball.

 

[sjb75]

Jeanty going to the Raiders at #6 doesn't reflect a change in the perceived value of running backs in the draft. He was all Boise had and delivered a great year. Raiders have a run 1st head coach and they have no backs on their roster. Barkley did nothing to help the Giants win anything. He went off on a very good Eagles team with a top 3 oline. Love will share carries and not be the only weapon for the Irish. This will dilute his numbers. Plus next years draft should see a more normal group of 1st round quarterbacks taken which will push running backs further down teams boards. Is Love worthy of 1st round consideration? If healthy of course but NFL teams make some strange picks and there are people already questioning the Raiders pick of Jeanty because of their oline situation.

Ask the Philadelphia Eagles their opinion of acquiring Saquon Barkley from the NY Giants.

 

[iLOVEtohurdle41]

C

This sounds like chaseball.

Dude, I am literally completely disagreeing with him and you are stating I sound like him. It's starting to get wierd. Only you and another poster that I blocked keep coming at me about this.

 

[NIN Irish]

Dude, I am literally completely disagreeing with him and you are stating I sound like him. It's starting to get wierd. Only you and another poster that I blocked keep coming at me about this.

Maybe the charade has been exposed?

 

[Golson5]

You don't have any evidence to make this claim.

This outgoing 2025 draft class was from recruiting classes that ranked HIGHER than this recently completed '25 incoming recruiting class.

Also, another interesting fact, 26 of the 32 first round picks were SEC & BIG10 teams. These conferences are REALLY starting to separate and its really unfortunate that ND is stuck in the shittastic ACC for the next 15+ years. This could REALLY put the brand behind. Think of it from a recruits standpoint: go to ND to play shit-tier ACC teams and get no respect or go to the big boy conferences (BIG10 & SEC) where everybody is getting drafted out of the first round from ?

The evidence is easy to see for anyone that isn't blind.

Another interesting fact is we went 2 and 0 against the mighty sec and 4 and 1 against the Big

I guess we're really starting to separate from those 2 conferences

 

[Golson5]

Jeanty is a unicorn, they appear every decade or so, see Saquon Barkley…teams have been putting less value in the RB position the last 25 years.

It's turning along again. Hampton went round 1 lay night. So 2 RBs

 

[sjb75]

Maybe the charade has been exposed?

Agree. I have thought this for weeks.

 

[chaseball]

It's turning along again. Hampton went round 1 lay night. So 2 RBs

its a copy cat league. once everybody starts copying the same strat (pass heavy), it creates an opportunity for smart teams to take advantage of the market inefficiencies that open up at other positions.

 

[buckey]

I love our roster and coaching staff. Could care less about draft picks parading like rock stars. Comfortable where we are

 

[chaseball]

Notre Dame beat three of the best teams in the SEC and BIG during three games in a row and was more than respectable in the NCG. What's the point with "shittier" teams? Put the brand behind what?

In the last 30+ years ND has a sugar bowl and orange bowl victory (total) in terms of their list of accomplishments while having one of the wealthiest programs and biggest brands in the entire country (no other program/institution has done less with more than ND has over that time period). Point being: they haven't accomplished anything programmatically that should make them immune to criticism.

I think PSU is a good proxy for where the ND football program stands right now: good, but still nowhere close to good enough. If this was merely a recent development over the last several years i would get it and enjoy a national title run for what it is .. but this has been an on going problem (being good but not good enough) dating back to the start of the Brian Kelly era ( 2010-present) with ND just letting the calendar flip another year like dirty underwear while doing business as usual with little to no off-season maneuvering/ deviation from their baseline as it relates to the quality of their 85 man roster.

 

[sjb75]

I love our roster and coaching staff. Could care less about draft picks parading like rock stars. Comfortable where we are

Could not care less...

 

[burmafrd1943]

You don't have any evidence to make this claim.

This outgoing 2025 draft class was from recruiting classes that ranked HIGHER than this recently completed '25 incoming recruiting class.

Also, another interesting fact, 26 of the 32 first round picks were SEC & BIG10 teams. These conferences are REALLY starting to separate and its really unfortunate that ND is stuck in the shittastic ACC for the next 15+ years. This could REALLY put the brand behind. Think of it from a recruits standpoint: go to ND to play shit-tier ACC teams and get no respect or go to the big boy conferences (BIG10 & SEC) where everybody is getting drafted out of the first round from ?

the only evidence you have is your bigotry

 

[burmafrd1943]

In the last 30+ years ND has a sugar bowl and orange bowl victory (total) in terms of their list of accomplishments while having one of the wealthiest programs and biggest brands in the entire country (no other program/institution has done less with more than ND has over that time period). Point being: they haven't accomplished anything programmatically that should make them immune to criticism.

I think PSU is a good proxy for where the ND football program stands right now: good, but still nowhere close to good enough. If this was merely a recent development over the last several years i would get it and enjoy a national title run for what it is .. but this has been an on going problem (being good but not good enough) dating back to the start of the Brian Kelly era ( 2010-present) with ND just letting the calendar flip another year like dirty underwear while doing business as usual with little to no off-season maneuvering/ deviation from their baseline.

more stupidity
talent is only shown on the field not in your moronic F+

 

[Patrish]

It highlights to what degree this past 2024 team lacking any real top end talent was coached up to still produce a top 5 F+ on the season. Watts and BenMo might fall as low as the 3rd round most of the other guys are mid-late round and udfa types after that.

Is it possible that ND with its massive position, brand, and economic power in college football can find a way to bridge the $20+ million NIL gap between ND and their competitors and start competing for the procurement of the elite prospects in the game?

We got the right coaching staff in place by a mile. Can we eliminate the institutional handicaps and barriers to bridge this gap and dominate the latter half of this decade going forward?

If there was such a talent disparity how did Notre Dame manage to beat USC, Indiana, Georgia and Penn State in succession

 

[chaseball]

I love our roster and coaching staff. Could care less about draft picks parading like rock stars. Comfortable where we are

This reminds me of those old arguments where people would try to diminish the credibility of the recruiting rankings because they used "stars" to tier the players with. its the old "its just stars" argument.

If there was such a talent disparity how did Notre Dame manage to beat USC, Indiana, Georgia and Penn State in succession

Read my posts my guy. A lot of the questions you ask me are questions already answered in the thread or answered ad nauseam in my post history. It feels like you skim or don't read or just read titles and then ask questions that I've already covered.

These teams im quoting in your post (including ND) were all good teams this year, but they were all well behind the national championship pace that OSU was on this year. The same pace all the other teams that have crushed ND in recent history were on in those respective playoff/postseason years as well. OSU is the most recent example of what your roster and production needs to look like in order to have any realistic shot of winning a national title.

To answer your question specifically: two reasons ND was able to go 4-1 vs the BIG10 and SEC in 2024 despite being on the wrong side of a massive talent disparity:

1. They were able to avoid the "real" 3 of 4 very best teams in those conferences in 2024 (Ole Miss, Oregon, Texas). Georgia was down in 2024 despite winning the SEC they finished in the back half of the top 10 in F+ (their lowest finish in the last 4 or 5 years).
2. as a result of being coached up by one of the best coaching staffs in the country Notre Dame was a good team that punched way above their weight class and played well above what their talent dictated they should this past season, yet they were still nowhere close to good enough to match the national championship pace that has been set on aggregate over the last 5 years.

These points im making aren't mere opinion, they are backed by credible objective metrics like the F+ and FPI system and the 247 database.

 

[stu4don]

OSU 6 guys picked in the first and early 2nd round, yet ND was a series away from tying that game. Marcus is building something special, Chase, not sure what else you want. We have about a dozen first and second rounders on our squad right now... We have moved past the kelly years and into the Freeman years.

Nice that Judkins and Henderson went nearly back to back, early second round.

Love and Price next year!!! Go Irish!

 

[Golson5]

This reminds me of those old arguments where people would try to diminish the credibility of the recruiting rankings because they used "stars" to tier the players with. its the old "its just stars" argument.

Read my posts my guy. A lot of the questions you ask me are questions already answered in the thread or answered ad nauseam in my post history. It feels like you skim or don't read or just read titles and then ask questions that I've already covered. These teams were all good teams this year, but they were all well behind the national championship pace that OSU was on this year. The same pace all the other teams that have crushed ND in recent history were on in those respective playoff/postseason years as well. OSU is the most recent example of what your roster and production needs to look like in order to have any realistic shot of winning a national title.

To answer your question specifically: two reasons ND was able to go 4-1 vs the BIG10 and SEC in 2024 despite being on the wrong side of a massive talent disparity:

1. They were able to avoid the "real" 3 of 4 very best teams in those conferences in 2024 (Ole Miss, Oregon, Texas). Georgia was down in 2024 despite winning the SEC they finished in the back half of the top 10 in F+ (their lowest finish in the last 4 or 5 years).
2. as a result of being coached up by one of the best coaching staffs in the country they were a good team that played well above what their talent dictated they should this past season, yet they were still nowhere close to good enough to match the national championship pace that has been set on aggregate over the last 5 years.

These points im making aren't mere opinion, they are backed by credible objective metrics like the F+ and FPI system.

Ole Miss 🤣🤣

Didnt Georgia beat Texas to win the SEC? Beating them twice for the year? Once by 15? Oh yeah that doesn't count

I used F+. They ranked us 4th. So they say we are tier 1

Based on recruiting, we were more talented than Michigan so you were wrong on that point too

Try again

 

[christophero]

Nice to know I can break for 3 months and we are still discussing this crap.

 

[chaseball]

OSU 6 guys picked in the first and early 2nd round, yet ND was a series away from tying that game. Marcus is building something special, Chase, not sure what else you want. We have about a dozen first and second rounders on our squad right now... We have moved past the kelly years and into the Freeman years.

Nice that Judkins and Henderson went nearly back to back, early second round.

Love and Price next year!!! Go Irish!

you want to turn the measuring stick into the result of the final score of a single game but the real measuring stick is far deeper and more complex than that.

the real measuring stick is in how these 85 man rosters compare (visa vie recruiting all off-season) and how much production is the coaching staff getting out of them (a team's F+ rating).

OSU has a far more talented 85 man roster as per 247 composite, and a far superior level of production when looking at overall F+ scores in 2024. THESE are the metrics with which to compare these programs by. These are the metrics that reveal who is winning and losing programmatically and by how much.

 

[Golson5]

you want to turn the measuring stick into the result of the final score of a single game but the real measuring stick is far deeper and more complex than that.

the real measuring stick is in how these 85 man rosters compare (visa vie recruiting all off-season) and how much production is the coaching staff getting out of them (a team's F+ rating).

OSU has a far more talented 85 man roster as per 247 composite, and a far superior level of production when looking at overall F+ scores in 2024. THESE are the metrics with which to compare these programs by. These are the metrics that reveal who is winning and losing programmatically and by how much.

Oh okay, F+.

Finished 4th and their 3rd was a joke. So 1st tier or top of tier 2

 

[sjb75]

Nice to know I can break for 3 months and we are still discussing this crap.

Same shit. Different day.

 

[tkirish]

ND has plenty of talent. Only a few teams , OSU being one , has elite talent throughout. But this year’s Irish were dam good. Ok , early on it wasn’t great. I am the first to admit I just about threw in the towel. I ended up with egg on my face. But the Irish turned out to be pretty good. So good n fact , they made it to the championship. It wasn’t luck. It was talent, hard work and great coaching. With that said, more talent and dare I say better talent is on the way. So yes, the talent disparity exists. But the irish aren’t decades behind. Maybe a year or two of great recruiting and they will be right there. A Coach that understands and actually loves ND for being ND. That is the key ingredient that has been missing since Lou Holtz. Go Irish! ☘️