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And the problem is...

Who deserves most of the blame for the problems with the team?

  • Jack Swarbrick

    Votes: 8 20.0%
  • Tommy Rees

    Votes: 13 32.5%
  • Marcus Freeman

    Votes: 10 25.0%
  • Harry Hiestand

    Votes: 2 5.0%
  • Brian Kelly

    Votes: 5 12.5%
  • NIL

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Admissions

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other.....

    Votes: 2 5.0%

  • Total voters
    40

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The sky hasn't fallen but a lot is broken....

Where do you place blame?
 
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How about all of them to one extent or another.

Swarbrick is the one that hired a coach who needs OJT.
So he has the most blame.
 
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How about all of them to one extent or another.

Swarbrick is the one that hired a coach who needs OJT.
So he has the most blame.
I’m not so sure it was Swarbrick who made the ultimate decision
 
How about all of them to one extent or another.

Swarbrick is the one that hired a coach who needs OJT.
So he has the most blame.
Agreed for the most part. I selected Swarbrick but the reality is with the way the transfer portal works now ND will need to adapt or we will have an almost zero chance of winning a national championship again.
 
It’s clearly jack because of hiring freeman (I think freeman can be really good HC) and pairing him with an inexperienced terrible OC. If we had an average OC right now we would be 2-0 and probably complaining about our dline the most and oline second. Oline would even look better with better play calling. Defense knows exactly where ND qb will be every play, makes it very easy.
 
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At what point did Kelly realize all the broken pieces last year and decide it was time to run vs rebuild. He always flirted with leaving but last year he was running. I think he knew the issues that existed specifically ol, wr, and tackling. He at some point realized the rebuild would only worsen his market value and he took the best offer he could get on the way out. The 1 loss reg season was. A mirage of basically the worst schedule ever.
 
At what point did Kelly realize all the broken pieces last year and decide it was time to run vs rebuild. He always flirted with leaving but last year he was running. I think he knew the issues that existed specifically ol, wr, and tackling. He at some point realized the rebuild would only worsen his market value and he took the best offer he could get on the way out. The 1 loss reg season was. A mirage of basically the worst schedule ever.
I think it likely started when he finally got to see Buchner in person and realized he swung and missed yet again at the games most important position
 
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At what point did Kelly realize all the broken pieces last year and decide it was time to run vs rebuild. He always flirted with leaving but last year he was running. I think he knew the issues that existed specifically ol, wr, and tackling. He at some point realized the rebuild would only worsen his market value and he took the best offer he could get on the way out. The 1 loss reg season was. A mirage of basically the worst schedule ever.
Yup, this is it right here, folks. This particular BK hater is not about to take this lying down. And if the program continues to collapse and crater into a truly wretched state, at least one of ND's toxic haters has every intention of laying the blame at BK's feet. He's not alone, there's a few others that are that desperate and equally willing to keep persecuting BK or anything connected to BK right up 'til the bitter end. But this guy in particular is setting out his stall on the issue, and making it very clear.....

Problem is as much as he may be personally willing to scream this narrative from the rooftops, it's not going to take. There are too many fans, and bloggers and journos that don't want to actually lose, and however happy they are to bash BK during the good times, when it's easy and there's no consequences, and we're going 11-1.... Now there actually are consequences, and you just can't keep living a fantasy world. And you gotta get real about the situation you're in.

But we could totally beat Cal today. And it's not impossible to envision this team regaining at least a modicum of respectability, even if making the playoff again is not something in ND's foreseeable future. Bowl eligibility is still very much something we can legitimately shoot for....
 
Oh, and as far as who should the axe fall upon.... well the big four, the Gang of Four we'll call it, are HH, Rees, MF, and Jack Swarbrick himself.

HH is the most obvious and easiest name on the block. The temptation to blame this unacceptable OL play on Jeff Quinn I'm sure is potent and even irresistible for many ND fans. But that doesn't go anywhere, and there's nothing tangible to it. And given that HH is a totally unexceptional coach in the grand scheme of things, and your OL is playing like complete shit.... that is certainly one area where you could easily make a change.

Tommy Rees would obviously be next on the chopping block, and it's hard to imagine a scenario where you wouldn't fire him. Unless the offense experiences a complete turnaround, from soup to nuts, in all respects. If you're MF, and at this point you should absolutely be panicking about your ultimate survival, replacing Rees as OC is the elephant In the room, it is the obvious thing to do, and to not do so, if the offense shows no better than marginal improvement, would probably be a death knell for MF. The offense can't just improve somewhat, and regain its footing, it has to radically improve for Rees to stay on IMO. It's a no-brainer....

Firing MF would be an utter disgrace for this program. A truly abject humiliation, almost beyond imagining, so even if we finished with a record as awful as 3-9, which I'm still assuming we won't, it wouldn't merely be a particularly bitter pill to swallow, it would be downright degradation for the ND football program, and for the ND 'brand' as a whole, to fire MF after just one season. So I would guess for that alone he will not be fired no matter what, even if that were the best course of action to take, painful and inconvenient as it may be, to attempt to right the program....

Obviously firing Jack Swarbrick is something ND could do, as a prelude to firing MF, and giving the entire football program a mulligan, and quickly wiping the slate clean before too much long term damage can be done. And since Swarbrick hired both MF, and it would appear also insisted on the inclusion of Rees as OC, and made these fateful decisions in fairly indefensible fashion, you'd have to get rid of him first, and not have him be in charge of cleaning up the mess that he not only personally orchestrated into being.... But it's almost as if he was high on his own supply, as the saying goes, in making these supremely questionable hires for all the wrong reasons. So if you're going to fire MF, and that is something ND very well might be staring in the face in the not-too-distant future, you'd have to have a new AD as well.....
 
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The defense gave up 21 and 19 points. The offense scored 10 and 21 and gave up a pick 6 for net 25 points in two games. If the offense averages 12.5 points/game not many teams will win games.
This is on Rees 100%
 
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The problem is ND needs an elite coach to win. There are probably 8 that exist in the world, maybe 2 that are available, and there are 25 teams competing for them.
 
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The problem is ND needs an elite coach to win. There are probably 8 that exist in the world, maybe 2 that are available, and there are 25 teams competing for them.
Which 8 and which 2 are available ?
 
The defense gave up 21 and 19 points. The offense scored 10 and 21 and gave up a pick 6 for net 25 points in two games. If the offense averages 12.5 points/game not many teams will win games.
This is on Rees 100%
Execution isn’t on the coach, it’s on the players.

A pick 6 has nothing to do with the coach
 
Oh, and as far as who should the axe fall upon.... well the big four, the Gang of Four we'll call it, are HH, Rees, MF, and Jack Swarbrick himself.

HH is the most obvious and easiest name on the block. The temptation to blame this unacceptable OL play on Jeff Quinn I'm sure is potent and even irresistible for many ND fans. But that doesn't go anywhere, and there's nothing tangible to it. And given that HH is a totally unexceptional coach in the grand scheme of things, and your OL is playing like complete shit.... that is certainly one area where you could easily make a change.

Tommy Rees would obviously be next on the chopping block, and it's hard to imagine a scenario where you wouldn't fire him. Unless the offense experiences a complete turnaround, from soup to nuts, in all respects. If you're MF, and at this point you should absolutely be panicking about your ultimate survival, replacing Rees as OC is the elephant In the room, it is the obvious thing to do, and to not do so, if the offense shows no better than marginal improvement, would probably be a death knell for MF. The offense can't just improve somewhat, and regain its footing, it has to radically improve for Rees to stay on IMO. It's a no-brainer....

Firing MF would be an utter disgrace for this program. A truly abject humiliation, almost beyond imagining, so even if we finished with a record as awful as 3-9, which I'm still assuming we won't, it wouldn't merely be a particularly bitter pill to swallow, it would be downright degradation for the ND football program, and for the ND 'brand' as a whole, to fire MF after just one season. So I would guess for that alone he will not be fired no matter what, even if that were the best course of action to take, painful and inconvenient as it may be, to attempt to right the program....

Obviously firing Jack Swarbrick is something ND could do, as a prelude to firing MF, and giving the entire football program a mulligan, and quickly wiping the slate clean before too much long term damage can be done. And since Swarbrick hired both MF, and it would appear also insisted on the inclusion of Rees as OC, and made these fateful decisions in fairly indefensible fashion, you'd have to get rid of him first, and not have him be in charge of cleaning up the mess that he not only personally orchestrated into being.... But it's almost as if he was high on his own supply, as the saying goes, in making these supremely questionable hires for all the wrong reasons. So if you're going to fire MF, and that is something ND very well might be staring in the face in the not-too-distant future, you'd have to have a new AD as well.....
How does your premise stand up if it was Father Jenkins who made the ultimate decisions ?
 
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