A Bernie Sanders presidency could wreak havoc on college football

[HuddleBurger]

His proposal would make state schools tuition-free for all students. How would this affect the football scholarship model?

Would this bolster the argument that players should be paid at public schools? Schools could no longer argue that players are receiving a free education in return for their services.

Would ND be able to convince players that receiving a tuition scholarship to play at a private university is more valuable/attractive than getting paid to play at a public school?

And if players didn't get paid, wouldn't ND gain an advantage by being able to offer tuition scholarships to players when state schools effectively couldn't do so?

Would scholarships be done away with entirely?

 

[Bodizephax]

TRUMP !!

 

[scubastevefl]

TRUMP !!

Like!

 

[Islero]

His proposal would make state schools tuition-free for all students. How would this affect the football scholarship model?

Would this bolster the argument that players should be paid at public schools? Schools could no longer argue that players are receiving a free education in return for their services.

Would ND be able to convince players that receiving a tuition scholarship to play at a private university is more valuable/attractive than getting paid to play at a public school?

And if players didn't get paid, wouldn't ND gain an advantage by being able to offer tuition scholarships to players when state schools effectively couldn't do so?

Would scholarships be done away with entirely?

Why concern yourself with this? He's not going to be President. For that matter, neither is Trump.

 

[twalsh]

His proposal would make state schools tuition-free for all students. How would this affect the football scholarship model?

Would this bolster the argument that players should be paid at public schools? Schools could no longer argue that players are receiving a free education in return for their services.

Would ND be able to convince players that receiving a tuition scholarship to play at a private university is more valuable/attractive than getting paid to play at a public school?

And if players didn't get paid, wouldn't ND gain an advantage by being able to offer tuition scholarships to players when state schools effectively couldn't do so?

Would scholarships be done away with entirely?

First, he's unlikely to win a general election against any of the top Republicans. Second, he's not going to get any of this socialist silliness through Congress. Only the far left would go for it.

 

[mokpra37]

twalsh is right on. It would take a major makeover in Congress for his socialist agenda to get through. Then again, Obama care got through the previous congress.

 

[PHJIndy]

Please take the political BS elsewhere! There are many places where you can flex your political muscles!

 

[kellys heroes 35]

Please take the political BS elsewhere! There are many places where you can flex your political muscles!

Agreed

 

[Telx1]

One of the reasons I enjoy this board is to get away from the 24/7 crap that passes for political dialogue today. Pls don't ruin this.

 

[88ND]

His proposal would make state schools tuition-free for all students. How would this affect the football scholarship model?

Would this bolster the argument that players should be paid at public schools? Schools could no longer argue that players are receiving a free education in return for their services.

Would ND be able to convince players that receiving a tuition scholarship to play at a private university is more valuable/attractive than getting paid to play at a public school?

And if players didn't get paid, wouldn't ND gain an advantage by being able to offer tuition scholarships to players when state schools effectively couldn't do so?

Would scholarships be done away with entirely?

Who cares because if players got paid it won't be much more than the stipend they get now after Bernie puts his 90% tax in place.

 

[Islero]

Who cares because if players got paid it won't be much more than the stipend they get now after Bernie puts his 90% tax in place.

This speculation about a guy who doesn't have a chance is pretty inane. You might as well speculate about the fate of college football if Richard Simmons were elected President.

 

[BGI User 1596]

Hillary - "what difference does it make"!

 

[Nocalirish]

Yea, free educaton is a horrible idea for our society.

 

[Bodizephax]

Yea, free educaton is a horrible idea for our society.

There is no such thing as a free college education. Someone has to pay for it. I had to pay for my education. And now I have to pay for someone else's education by paying more taxes ?
Socialism is thievery. You steal from someone to give to someone else.

 

[stu4don]

But is perfectly fine when banks or corporations need the money, right?. An undereducated populace will be the end of this great country -- as the rest of the world pour money into education and we pour it into Iraq. College? with the price tag @ 65K -- families can't afford it. I applaud people like Bernie and Elizabeth Warren talking about this issue. But a lot of fools will just keep voting against their own interests and lining the pockets of the 1% who will soon own more than the bottom 99% combined. How's that gonna work? You think they're spending that money and putting the rest of us to work? Just ain't happening. So, yeah... go with what's working for you. Bodi -- you must be one of the lucky 1%, so lucky you. The rest of America is f-ed.

But this site is about football. So I'm out. No more politics -- vote your beliefs. And God bless our great country.

 

[BGI User 1596]

Yea, free educaton is a horrible idea for our society.

Yeah because everything is free right! Nobody pays!

 

[onlyonenow]

not everyone belongs in college. To be blunt there are a lot in college right NOW that don't belong there and are wasting everyones time and effort.

 

[atlirishfan2]

You want a free education join the US Military.

 

[Telx1]

agree with the sentiment that an undereducated population spells further decline for this country, but feel the greater threat to the country is the growing number of people who think government programs and benefits are free.

 

[Granite45]

You want a free education join the US Military.

Taxes still pay for the benefits for the soldiers so not a different argument.

 

[Granite45]

There is no such thing as a free college education. Someone has to pay for it. I had to pay for my education. And now I have to pay for someone else's education by paying more taxes ?
Socialism is thievery. You steal from someone to give to someone else.

I am not a socialist, but equating socialism with thievery is overly simplistic.

There can be benefits to society if all are vaccinated to help prevent or reduce epidemics so universal health care is not simply a socialistic ideal as much as a public health ideal. Similarly, better educated citizens whether through college or other training can be a benefit to all society. It is an arguable position how to best to perform or pay for services, but holding a particular does not equate to socialism.

 

[Granite45]

agree with the sentiment that an undereducated population spells further decline for this country, but feel the greater threat to the country is the growing number of people who think government programs and benefits are free.

True on both sides. Consider some conservatives who benefited from college loans, but now want to reduce or abolish some programs. They wanted the free help and to hell with others. These people feel no obligation to payback for the help they received.

 

[Telx1]

Granite, agree that both sides of the Aisle own a lot of hypocritical destructive baggage. That's why Trump and Sanders are resonating...not based on policy as much as candor about all the nonsense that Washington represents. I'm done here and off to more football related threads.

 

[IrishHerb]

Granite, agree that both sides of the Aisle own a lot of hypocritical destructive baggage. That's why Trump and Sanders are resonating...not based on policy as much as candor about all the nonsense that Washington represents. I'm done here and off to more football related threads.

Football doesn't start for a couple of months. How about BB or LAX?

 

[twalsh]

True on both sides. Consider some conservatives who benefited from college loans, but now want to reduce or abolish some programs. They wanted the free help and to hell with others. These people feel no obligation to payback for the help they received.

College loans are not free, by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Pennick4]

But is perfectly fine when banks or corporations need the money, right?. An undereducated populace will be the end of this great country -- as the rest of the world pour money into education and we pour it into Iraq. College? with the price tag @ 65K -- families can't afford it. I applaud people like Bernie and Elizabeth Warren talking about this issue. But a lot of fools will just keep voting against their own interests and lining the pockets of the 1% who will soon own more than the bottom 99% combined. How's that gonna work? You think they're spending that money and putting the rest of us to work? Just ain't happening. So, yeah... go with what's working for you. Bodi -- you must be one of the lucky 1%, so lucky you. The rest of America is f-ed.

But this site is about football. So I'm out. No more politics -- vote your beliefs. And God bless our great country.

Your brilliant. Bernie and Lizzie ( I am native American) Warren. Quite a duo.

 

[Granite45]

But a lot of fools will just keep voting against their own interests and lining the pockets of the 1% who will soon own more than the bottom 99% combined.

How certain are we that the top !% don't already own more than the other 99% already?

 

[artemis gordon]

I don't feel the " Berne".

 

[deadmanramsey]

While we are on the topic of socialism and sports: Why not enforce this principle on the scoreboard? Let's take points from the winner and give some to the loser so that there is a tie at the end of each game. Whoever is against that is against equality!

 

[BGI User 1596]

Socialism is great until you run out of other peoples money to spend.

 

[Irish Duck]

First, he's unlikely to win a general election against any of the top Republicans. Second, he's not going to get any of this socialist silliness through Congress. Only the far left would go for it.

Out of curiosity, what parts of his socialist silliness do you not like? Is is the universal healthcare? Is it the free higher education?

 

[BGI User 1596]

Out of curiosity, what parts of his socialist silliness do you not like? Is is the universal healthcare? Is it the free higher education?

Ok I'll play - the universal healthcare is crap - used it in both Canada and the UK - it becomes rationed health care very quickly. Oxford education wasn't free but much less costly than what I read about private US. Wait until you see the tax rates to support it. Free - yeah sure. Why not kill the oligarchy that is pushing up massive price increases in the US so its more affordable to everyone. You can purchase the exact same scorpion venom in Mexico for $50- that will cost you thousands in the USA - WHY? What socialist Utopia do you have experience living in?

 

[Granite45]

College loans are not free, by any stretch of the imagination.

Hence, the name "loans" that directly indicates payback. And the government does subsidize some part of the loan program along with reduced interest rates so the payback is not as expensive as a commercial loan.

My mention was about those politicians and commentators who benefited from them, but now see them as a bad part of government and do not believe future generations should have loans as an option. Apparently, it was appropriate for the government to assist them in going to college, but not for others.

 

[Irish Duck]

Ok I'll play - the universal healthcare is crap - used it in both Canada and the UK - it becomes rationed health care very quickly. Oxford education wasn't free but much less costly than what I read about private US. Wait until you see the tax rates to support it. Free - yeah sure. Why not kill the oligarchy that is pushing up massive price increases in the US so its more affordable to everyone. You can purchase the exact same scorpion venom in Mexico for $50- that will cost you thousands in the USA - WHY? What socialist Utopia do you have experience living in?

The whole tax rate argument is nothing but a tired trope. We, as a nation, have plenty of tax dollars. The problem is in allocation. For some reason we insist in maintaining a military budget based upon a presumed need to be able to fight two major land wars simultaneously, just as we did in WWII. We insist in playing the World's policeman. Why is that? You state that the universal healthcare, as used in Canada and the UK, quickly becomes "rationed healthcare" as if that is a bad thing. Why is rationed healthcare a bad thing? Should a 75 y.o. lifelong smoker and drinker be entitled to the same degree of care as a 75 y.o. who takes care of him or herself? These are issues that should be discussed, not dismissed outright. Why is it that almost every other First World country has some form of universal healthcare? Are we really that much smarter than everyone else?

 

[BGI User 1596]

The whole tax rate argument is nothing but a tired trope. We, as a nation, have plenty of tax dollars. The problem is in allocation. For some reason we insist in maintaining a military budget based upon a presumed need to be able to fight two major land wars simultaneously, just as we did in WWII. We insist in playing the World's policeman. Why is that? You state that the universal healthcare, as used in Canada and the UK, quickly becomes "rationed healthcare" as if that is a bad thing. Why is rationed healthcare a bad thing? Should a 75 y.o. lifelong smoker and drinker be entitled to the same degree of care as a 75 y.o. who takes care of him or herself? These are issues that should be discussed, not dismissed outright. Why is it that almost every other First World country has some form of universal healthcare? Are we really that much smarter than everyone else?

No smoker should get health care but that's a different issue. Talk to the people who are waiting 2 years plus for routine surgery in those countries. The military budget is a different thing also - look at the Military of Canada and U.K. - great soldiers but have to borrow equipment from the US when deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan -both countries have huge liabilities and deficits still with tiny military budgets. Nothing is free - if want to redistribute wealth go ahead but its not free - by the way - lots of 1% here in Bermuda who gave up there US passports so they won't be redistributing very much.

 

[Irish Duck]

No smoker should get health care but that's a different issue. Talk to the people who are waiting 2 years plus for routine surgery in those countries. The military budget is a different thing also - look at the Military of Canada and U.K. - great soldiers but have to borrow equipment from the US when deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan -both countries have huge liabilities and deficits still with tiny military budgets. Nothing is free - if want to redistribute wealth go ahead but its not free - by the way - lots of 1% here in Bermuda who gave up there US passports so they won't be redistributing very much.

I don't doubt that many 1%s will flee the country in order to avoid giving up any portions of their wealth. That, however, is not an excuse for trying to shrink the wealth gap. For decades I opposed the concept of redistribution of wealth. It has, however, gotten to the point where we need to start doing this.

 

[Telx1]

Would welcome an HONEST debate by our representatives of the pros and cons and costs of a single player healthcare system versus private insurance carrier driven, etc... What we have now is an expensive hybrid that has raised costs and reduced care. Had Canadian employees who routinely waited up to two years for things like knee and hip replacements, and one who passed from Prostate cancer while waiting eight months for treatment. Of course, these can be contrasted with folks who had similar or worse outcomes for lack of insurance here. Medicare is easy and efficient from the user side, but the current schedule of payments would destroy our healthcare system of providers if implemented for the entire population. We need an objective assessment of the extent to which the schedule of Medicare payments would need to be increased and the total costs of same to ensure the SAME level of care we enjoy now; what premium this would cost per individual and family; overlay our current structure for how and to what extent current premiums are paid via individuals and companies or paid and supplemented by government. We could then openly debate cost versus care, etc... Liberals are afraid of this discussion, and conservatives demagogue the government take over argument, and we never have an honest discussion of one of the most important domestic policy issues of our time.

 

[twalsh]

Out of curiosity, what parts of his socialist silliness do you not like? Is is the universal healthcare? Is it the free higher education?

Whether I like it or not is not a factor. The bottom line is that none of it is getting past congress. None of the republicans will go for it, and the moderate dems won't go for it. That leaves only the far left in favor, and there's not enough of them to get anything passed. That's just reality. Sanders as president would be an epic waste of four years. Nothing will get done at all.

 

[irishnumberone1]

Then You going to vote Mrs lies H. Clinton.

 

[HuddleBurger]

I thought we were all going to vote based on who would be best for college football...