Looking forward to a great game guys. Gameday hasn't announced yet, but 99% chance it will be there for the Clemson/ND game on October 3rd. No other games are even in comparison that weekend. AL/GA was the only other option, but Gameday has already had Alabama twice and they lost, so it is Clemson vs. ND. Look for either Kevin Spacey to Joe Montana/Dwight Clark to be the guest speakers.
8pm, ABC at Clemson
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Great - enjoy your 1/2 month to prepare for the game.
This game is a marquee matchup featuring two heavyweights with national championship repercussions. It doesn't get much better than Death Valley at night in October. It also doesn't hurt that Notre Dame is the opponent. For all of you domers that have found tickets, you guys are in for a real treat. This is a can't miss event for the fans.
Who the hell gets married during football season??
Thursday night game followed by a bye week. Then ND at home at night.
If Clemson doesn't win this. They should join the AAC.
If Clemson doesn't win this. They should join the AAC.
It's very hard to win on the road in college football. That being said.... Brian Kelly >>>>> Dabo Swinney
Notre Dame finds a way.
I think it is going to be a very close game either way. But should ND beat Clemson, it will be nothing for Clemson to be ashamed about.
I'm going to a wedding too and have no way of getting out of it, as my wife is the maid of honor. I absolutely hate it when people get married during football season.
Brian Kelly better than Dabo Swinney??? Not buying that. Kelly may be more experienced, but I wouldn't say he is a better coach by any measure. Kelly is 48-20 at Notre Dame .705 winning percentage. Swinney is 64-26 at Clemson .727 winning percentage. This is a pretty equal record with a slight advantage to Swinney. In the last few years Dabo has knocked off the following Elite Coaches: Steve Spurrier, Bob Stoops, Mark Richt, Les Miles, Urban Meyer, and Gus Mahlzahn. Kelly has knocked off Les Miles, Mark Dantonio, and David Shaw.
Notre Dame has a top 10 type of team, but Kelly is not a better coach than Swinney. Swinney is one of only just a handful of coaches who have won 10 or more games the last 4 years in a row. I do think that ND is better on both the OL and DL and that usually spells trouble. If ND wins, it will be because ND controls the line of scrimmage and wins the turnover battle. It won't be because Kelly is a better coach, but that is just my opinion.
Notre Dame has a top 10 type of team, but Kelly is not a better coach than Swinney. Swinney is one of only just a handful of coaches who have won 10 or more games the last 4 years in a row. I do think that ND is better on both the OL and DL and that usually spells trouble. If ND wins, it will be because ND controls the line of scrimmage and wins the turnover battle. It won't be because Kelly is a better coach, but that is just my opinion.
Dabo,
Thanks for the visit. I was fortunate enough to get a couple of tickets. My plan is to do some hiking early Friday, and try to take in the atmosphere Friday evening and Saturday. This will be my first trip to Death Valley. Any recommendations or thoughts?
Thanks for the visit. I was fortunate enough to get a couple of tickets. My plan is to do some hiking early Friday, and try to take in the atmosphere Friday evening and Saturday. This will be my first trip to Death Valley. Any recommendations or thoughts?
if our irish win it'll be because Clemson's oline had a hard time stopping Sheldon day and Jaylon smith from being in there backfield forcing there qb to rush his throws and them having a hard time covering and stopping the best wr in the country in fuller. if top five in the country rb cj has another 100 plus rushing night to go with another 100 plus receiving night from fuller then Clemson will have a very hard time winning. not a blowout but it'll be hard for them if again cj and fuller have there usual big games
Let's talk facts if you are going to talk them.
Clemson since 2008 is
Vs end of year top 10: 1-11
Vs end of year ranked: 9-18
Not to mention the 10 free rented wins vs FCS schools.
Opponents record of 681-520 for a % of .567
FULL STATS HERE
ND since 2010 is
Vs end of year top 10: 3-8
vs end of year ranked: 9-14
And has not played a FCS school
Opponents record of 478-341 for a % of .584
FULL STATS HERE
not really sure you can call one better than the other. As they haven't crossed one another. Dabo has had great success in a recently down ACC where only a team or two have been in the top 25 any given year (at the end of the year and not just after they beat up their cream puffs), and Kelly has had marginal success playing the average ND schedule.
And again with 15 days off to heal and only still doing reasonable on injuries. With the game at home, and at night. There almost isn't any other advantage Clemson could ask for. Unless you were to say that ND needs to lose their starting QB........... Oh wait, they have..... Okay, well if they lost their starting RB........ nevermind... That happened already also...... Include in that list, starting NT, starting TE, and 2 deep safety, 2 deep cornerback, 2 deep SS safety.
The only thing hurting Clemson (and it is a biggie) is not having Williams. And thank God that kid will be able to play again one day, that has to be the worst injury I have seen all season, and all smack aside seriously prays for him and his family. When I saw that happen I was honestly scared he might not walk again.
melstew, Lake Jocassee is north of Clemson. The foothills trail is great but
Clemson is a kind of dead town except for Game Time, it's electric ORANGE ! Hike and Camp.
https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&hl=en&tab=ew&gws_rd=ssl#hl=en&q=jocassee+gorges+hiking
Go Early Saturday and cruise the tailgate areas. The food will be fantastic and peeps will welcome you. Especially if you come out of the mountains looking Leprechaun
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My plan is to do some hiking early Friday, and try to take in the atmosphere Friday evening and Saturday. This will be my first trip to Death Valley. Any recommendations or thoughts?
Clemson is a kind of dead town except for Game Time, it's electric ORANGE ! Hike and Camp.
https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&hl=en&tab=ew&gws_rd=ssl#hl=en&q=jocassee+gorges+hiking
Go Early Saturday and cruise the tailgate areas. The food will be fantastic and peeps will welcome you. Especially if you come out of the mountains looking Leprechaun
RE:
My plan is to do some hiking early Friday, and try to take in the atmosphere Friday evening and Saturday. This will be my first trip to Death Valley. Any recommendations or thoughts?
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Appreciate the prayers for Williams.. I was at the game (and will be at all home games) and I thought he wouldn't ever walk again either. The initial hit didn't even look that bad but you could tell he was in some major pain. Can't wait to see this game play out on the 3rd! Love night games in the Valley. All ND fans attending will love it!
Mel,
Seahawks makes Clemson seem like a ghost town except for Saturday morning. Where will you be staying? Greenville is an awesome town.. Great bars and great restaurants. Clemson will be live starting Friday through the entire weekend. If you are tailgating on Saturday definitely hit up the Esso Club on Friday night. Plenty of other bars to hit in downtown CLemson. So many different things I would recommend to you but its all determined on what your plans are like I mentioned earlier. When are you getting into town? Are you staying "in" Clemson? Plans for the game? Barhopping tailgating, etc..
RT,,, just saying the mountains around are more interesting than Clemson
where The Esso Club is what's happening ^ this really is it ^
where The Esso Club is what's happening ^ this really is it ^
We can disagree, that's fine. Swinney inherited a great program and has done some nice things while there. Kelly is the better, more complete coach. Swinney's offensive philosophy is really Chad Morris' and his defense was better avg until Brent Venables came in. Dabo is an elite recruiter and an awesome all around face for the Clemson face base. Kelly is both of those as well but he also is his own man. I get the feeling Dabo gets out of the way of his assts while Kelly expects his assts to run things the way he wants them run. Two totally different ways of thinking but Kelly is more proven, has own at every stop (Dabo succeeding whike at Central Michigan and Cincinnati is laughable to me. No way he could do it) and hasn't had the benefit of 2-3 cup cakes every year to pad his record. Frankly, i assumed Dabo's winning % would be higher.
Clemson's home game atmosphere is amazing. This will be one of the marque games of the year.
I agree with that, and expect Game Day to be there as well.
I still don't know if ND has the secondary to stop Clemson, especially with that long to prepare. In my preseason I had ND at 10-2 with the toss ups being Clemson and USC. Until ND gets through at least the Clemson game I can't change that. However USC losing against Stanford made me feel better
I still don't know if ND has the secondary to stop Clemson, especially with that long to prepare. In my preseason I had ND at 10-2 with the toss ups being Clemson and USC. Until ND gets through at least the Clemson game I can't change that. However USC losing against Stanford made me feel better
Clemson will also be missing its starting center for the ND-Clemson game. But they didn't have him for the Louisville game either.
I think Clemson's secondary has more to worry about IrishBlooded with trying to stop fuller than our irish have in trying to stop there wrs but that is just my opinion
i always appreciate fans from other schools that can come on here and have a civil debate/discussion about the upcoming, and in this case high profile, match up. Thanks Dabo, make yourself at home for the next couple of weeks and then after hopefully the Irish win and you wont want to come back, haha. But seriously, after all the opposing fans that come on here as jerks i appreciate it.
Well you said you were going to talk facts and then said the ACC only has "one or two" teams in the final poll.
2014: #5 FSU, #8 Georgia Tech, #15 Clemson, (#25 Louisville *).
2013: #1 FSU, #8 Clemson, (#15 Louisville *), and #22 Duke.
2012: #10 FSU, #11 Clemson, and (#13 Louisville *)
2011: #21 Virginia Tech, #22 Clemson, and #23 Florida State.
2010: #16 Virginia Tech, #17 FSU, #23 Maryland and #25 NC State
2009: #10 Virginia Tech, #13 Georgia Tech, #19 Miami and #24 Clemson.
2008: #15 Virginia Tech, #21 FSU and #22 Georgia Tech.
2007: #9 Virginia Tech, #10 Boston College, and #21 Clemson.
2006: (#6 Louisville *), #18 Wake Forest, #19 Virginia Tech and #19 Boston College.
2005: #7 Virginia Tech, #17 Miami, #18 Boston College, (#19 Louisville *), #21 Clemson, and #23 Florida State.
2004: (#6 Louisville *), #10 Virginia Tech, #11 Miami, #15 FSU, #21 Boston College, #23 Virginia and (#25 Pitt *)
2003: (#5 Miami *), #11 FSU, #17 Maryland, and #22 Clemson.
2002: (#2 Miami *), #12 NC State, #13 Maryland, (#18 Virginia Tech *), (#19 Pitt *), #21 FSU, and #22 Virginia.
2001: (#1 Miami *), #11 Maryland, (#14 Syracuse *), #15 FSU, (#17 Louisville *), (#18 Virginia Tech), (#21 Boston College *), and #24 Georgia Tech.
2000: (#2 Miami *), #5 FSU, (#6 Virginia Tech *), #16 Clemson, and #17 Georgia Tech.
1999: #1 FSU, (#2 Virginia Tech *), (#15 Miami *), #20 Georgia Tech.
1998: #3 FSU, #9 Georgia Tech, #18 Virginia, (#20 Miami *), (#23 Virginia Tech *), and (#25 Syracuse *)
1997: #3 FSU, #6 North Carolina, (#21 Syracuse *), and #25 Georgia Tech.
1996: #3 FSU, #10 North Carolina, (#13 Miami *), (#14 Virginia Tech *), and (#21 Syracuse *).
1995: #4 FSU, (#10 Virginia Tech *), #16 Virginia, (#19 Miami *), (#20 Syracuse *).
1994: #4 FSU, (#6 Miami *), #15 Virginia, #17 NC State and (#23 Boston College *).
1993: #1 FSU, (#13 Boston College *), (#15 Miami *), #19 North Carolina, (#22 Virginia Tech *), #23 Clemson and (#24 Louisville *).
1992: #2 FSU, (#3 Miami *), (#6 Syracuse *), #17 NC State, #18 North Carolina, (#21 Boston College *), and #25 Wake Forest.
1991: (#1 Miami *), #4 FSU, (#11 Syracuse *), #18 Clemson, and #24 NC State.
1990: #1 Georgia Tech, (#3 Miami), #4 FSU, #9 Clemson, (#14 Louisville *), and #23 Virginia.
But hey you were on a roll, why let little things like facts get in the way.
Don't go bother on a S.Car website (Fighting Gamecock Forum is their rivals website).. If you don't think S.Car wins the national championship every year you're either: 1. A tater (what they call Clemson fans), 2. A delusional fan, 3. A Spurrier hater, 4. A tater, 5. Fake Gamecock fan, 6. Cuss you out, or 7. Ban you.. Did I mention they call you a tater? It's quite amusing actually. Most of them honestly thought they were going to stroll into UGA and beat them. Halfway through the game they had a very different opinion though.
All aside, I hope those making the trip down to the Valley have a safe one. I'd stay away from anywhere in downtown Clemson unless you have the money AND patience. The campus comes alive on football weekends! Lots of traffic all around and many restaurants will be packed as well. If you have the option, tailgate before the game.. It's a much better alternative in my opinion.
It's crazy to see how VT, BC, and Miami have all kind of fell of the map recently.. I personally think they are crawling their way back up but it's definitely gong to take a while before they get back up to where they used to be
Yep, but after October 3, Kelly will be 49 - 20 a .710 winning percentage and Dabo will be 64 - 26 a .703 winning percentage..
People forget that back in 2003 and 2004 when the best of the Big East came over to join the ACC that all of the media was trumpeting how "unfair" it was for the ACC to have that much talent. They had yet to go full force on their SEC love fest and most of the articles were how about the new ACC would dominate the rest of the conferences. But that was only a couple of years into FSU's "Lost Decade" where we were trapped in mediocrity under Bobby Bowden's loyalty to old coaches that weren't hungry and nitwit son plus we had years of subpar training as one player died due to an unseen heart condition and we overcompensated so the media assumed FSU would be right back to our rightful spot in the Top 5. Miami lost its Stadium next door in the old Orange Bowl and lost of all its mojo almost overnight. Clemson and the rest of the old guard ACC never picked up FSU's slack to really take advantage of the situation and Virginia Tech never found an offense outside of Michael Vick and now it's stuck in its own version of FSU's Lost Decade.
So by having FSU and Miami drop off simultaneously when both were supposed to be challenging every year for the national title not just ACC title, Virginia Tech never finding a valid offense other than one of the year's FSU won it all and the old guard ACC never living up to their potential and taking advantage of the absence of a dominant FSU and Miami, the ACC lost a ton of respect.
I think the ACC is slowly getting its way back there as the talent has always been there (if you look it up its always SEC and ACC #1 and #2 in NFL talent sometimes flip flopping), it's been a coaching deficit more than anything.
North Carolina comes from one of the most populous states with a lot of great HS talent and SHOULD be top 20 if not top 10 every year but hasn't found a coach since Mack Brown decades ago.
Virginia SHOULD be in the top 25 every year as well for the same reasons as UNC although Virginia Tech is a bigger obstacle to them than NC State and Duke is to UNC.
Pitt is a big state school in a powerful HS football state that SHOULD be taking advantage of Penn State's giant mess and cleaning house in state but that hasn't been the case because of poor coaching and recruiting.
Syracuse SHOULD be a perennial too 25 team as well as its the only school of substance in the NE besides BC and worthless Rutgers and UConn. They should be wrapping up the admittedly limited NE HS football prospects but that's probably good enough for 20-25 year in and year out with an occasional burst to top 15.
Georgia Tech is definitely second banana, but it's second banana in a relatively populous state that actually beats Florida in division 1 recruits per capita. Georgia produces twice the talent as Alabama so at a bare min Georgia Tech SHOULD be equivalent to an Auburn year in and year out ie usually top 25, half the time top 15 and every 5-10 years a run at a MNC.
Miami has been laughably bad for its talent level for almost a decade now. I just read an article noting the huge NFL talent its produced the past five years and how statistically that should equate to a 10+ win type of team ala FSU. But that hasn't happened because of two reasons. 1) Horrible fan support, their home games are basically away games when facing a decent team like FSU and nonexistent when there's a mediocre or worse team. That affects the teams psyche. And more importantly 2) Horrible Coaching. Even now, it's talent level is comparable to its old heyday where it wasn't quite always top 5 like FSU every year but was top 5 then top 20 then top 5 again then back to top 20. Until they dump Golden and find a quality coach and get a near campus stadium, they're going to be also rans severely underperforming their talent.
Clemson...is actually the only team right now in the ACC basically maximising its potential along with FSU. Speaking as an outsider, your team will never be Top 5 every year, year in and year out. South Carolina is just too small of a state to produce the talent necessary for it. You're probably acting at full potential which is top 25 every year with periodic forays into the top 10. Maybe even picking up a MNC every decade or two. So I have zero issues right now with Clemson.
Clemson, FSU and Duke are the only three schools (maybe GT and BC) that have coaches that are truly maximising the potential of each program. NC State and to a lesser extent Wake Forest and Virginia Tech are just slightly underperforming. But Miami, UNC, Virginia, Syracuse and Pitt are HORRIBLY underperforming due to horrific coaching. When more of the schools beyond FSU and Clemson are maximising or at least closing in on their potential, you will see the ACC get its due.
Notre Dame and Clemson are two of the really special places to play a football game ( Along with Louisville ). Notre Dame fans are in for a real treat because Clemson fans are about the nicest football fans in the country. I believe ND fans are gonna have a great time.
RT,,, just saying the mountains around are more interesting than Clemson
where The Esso Club is what's happening ^ this really is it ^
Believe it or not ESPN picked it #1 sports bar in America a few years ago,
I suggest you guys check out Greenville SC downtown area Friday night. There is an annual event taking place all weekend called Fall for Greenville. Great crowd, beer, restaurants in a small walkable area. It's only about 30 minutes from Clemson.
Saturday, get up early. Get to your spots early. Walk around and enjoy the small college town, shops, etc. When Brent Mussberger coined the hill the most exciting 15-25 seconds in college football he had fell in love with the atmosphere. He visited the Esso regularly which is the restaurant/bar near the stadium.
The last time you guys visited, we led the game until the 4th when Joe M led you back late. Pretty cool. We then won in 79' at your place.
Welcome and have fun.
Saturday, get up early. Get to your spots early. Walk around and enjoy the small college town, shops, etc. When Brent Mussberger coined the hill the most exciting 15-25 seconds in college football he had fell in love with the atmosphere. He visited the Esso regularly which is the restaurant/bar near the stadium.
The last time you guys visited, we led the game until the 4th when Joe M led you back late. Pretty cool. We then won in 79' at your place.
Welcome and have fun.
How anyone could even argue that Dabo Sweeney is in the same category of coaches as Brian Kelly is laughable. Simply comparing records as win/loss does not take into account that ND has played a far more difficult SOS over the same period of time. Brian Kelly is rated by most as a top 5 CFB coach along with Saban, Meyer, Snyder and Stoops while I don't see Dabo as anywhere near the top 10.
Let's be serious.
Let's be serious.
My bad I was terribly wrong. Since 2008 (When Dabo took over) the average is just under 4. Vs the 2 that I said. And in all of those finishes 1 team finished in the top 5, and 2 finished in the top 10.
Huge difference.
My bad I was terribly wrong. Since 2008 (When Dabo took over) the average is just under 4. Vs the 2 that I said. And in all of those finishes 1 team finished in the top 5, and 2 finished in the top 10.
Huge difference.
Again facts.....shakes head. 2 FSU teams finished in the top 5 and six not 2 in the top 10 since 2008. The ACC was definitely down when FSU was in its Lost Decade but there's no reason to be so well outside the land of facts. I'd almost accuse you of being an Argus persona but you haven't started referring to people as "it" in a creepy serial killer style and gone completely off into lalaland.
To the Clemson fans who have been frequenting this thread, can any of you recommend a parking lot for next Saturday's game? It would be great if you could direct me to a lot where there will be some tailgating and where we could meet some of the Clemson faithful. Thanks in advance.
Wait Florida state isn't always Florida state? Now your ego about them is so big that they count as a different school?
GTech and FSU are the only 2 I was talking about. Guess you were in a little too big of a hurry to be that guy.
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