I don’t disagree. Fsu not strong. But that’s not the point. In 2012, 2018 n 2020 we could have been picked over as not appearing that strong. But we got a deserved opportunity Since when do we let opinion matter more than results?
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The only reason they have those stupid little bylaws in their criteria or whatever, is to give them the freedom, the legal freedom as it were, to handpick who they want, for whatever their reasons may be. Mainly it's to screw over someone like Boise St., or if Oregon St. or a team like that was undefeated, and they wanted to get rid of them, that just makes it a little easier.
FSU is no Oregon St., but they'd rather have Bama and Texas, and no way they want to leave out the SEC, and so FSU gets the gate. What luck for the committee their QB got injured.....
FSU is no Oregon St., but they'd rather have Bama and Texas, and no way they want to leave out the SEC, and so FSU gets the gate. What luck for the committee their QB got injured.....
Have you seen Florida State’s defense? I love how everyone assumes that since Rodemaker is starting they are just going to get demolished.
The worry about blowouts in the CFB due to teams not being worthy is not worthy. There have been blowouts between even the best teams (looking at you Alabama) and last year an 'unworthy" TCU even beat Michigan before getting slaughtered in the final. Its football.
Why play the games than? Just pick the 4 playoff teams by what you see on paper.
The Alabama is in decision was about $$$$$$$$$$$ as well. Michigan-Alabama will be a TV ratings bonanza, and the two fan bases will sell out the 95,000 seat Rose Bowl quickly. That game will be an expensive, tough ticket.
ESPN is in bed with the SEC, that’s what this came down to.
Someone posted it. FSU was 2-0 against the SEC. They were a power 5 and they played as good a schedule as TX. They throttled LSU.
I would argue FSU over TX.
Bottom line is ESPN was NEVER gonna let a championship happen without their flag ship conference. But, after 20 years Karma caught FSU from ND 1993. Bowden couldn’t cry his way to this one. Their coach should have got on TV after the conf title win and carried on like Kirby or Bobby and started crying in advance.
I would argue FSU over TX.
Bottom line is ESPN was NEVER gonna let a championship happen without their flag ship conference. But, after 20 years Karma caught FSU from ND 1993. Bowden couldn’t cry his way to this one. Their coach should have got on TV after the conf title win and carried on like Kirby or Bobby and started crying in advance.
They cheated ND twice: 93 and they Ryan offensive interference penalty! What goes round, comes round
This is simply what happens when you have a committee or group vote for who gets into the playoffs after the season is completed.
In the NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL the teams that make the playoffs are the teams with the best records during the season. They have clearly written out criteria for who gets in.
I have no sympathy for FSU, but I think the committee was wrong to leave them out. Their #1 QB is out with an injury ... so what ... they're 12-0. Can you imagine the KC Chiefs going 16-0 and Patrick Mahomes getting injured in the 14th game of the season, and for that reason the Chiefs aren't invited to the playoffs because they'll be playing a backup QB?
In the NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL the teams that make the playoffs are the teams with the best records during the season. They have clearly written out criteria for who gets in.
I have no sympathy for FSU, but I think the committee was wrong to leave them out. Their #1 QB is out with an injury ... so what ... they're 12-0. Can you imagine the KC Chiefs going 16-0 and Patrick Mahomes getting injured in the 14th game of the season, and for that reason the Chiefs aren't invited to the playoffs because they'll be playing a backup QB?
It's not even criteria, that would be too fancy a word for it, for the basic mathematical, quantitative reality that is the ONLY criteria. Wins and losses. And the primal, utterly fundamental competition that produces them. And not the 'beauty contest' label that cynics rightly invoke to dismiss this phony, illegitimate pseudo playoff tournament we have instead of a real one based purely and justly on competition and nothing else. And this contrived notion of who the 'best' teams are, as if such a thing has any meaningful existence at all.
Though of course to be fair to the committee, they only care about the money. The money and the matchups. It's not sentimental for them. But they don't care about competition.
You don't think the Noles would have sold all their ticket allotment and then some ?
Be serious
The BIG Deal is that FSU did everything they were supposed to do...undefeated, won conference. You cannot punish a team because their QB is injured, the Final is supposed to be based on your seasons body of work, not projected match-ups, not who they would be favored against!
SEC does not deserve to be in Final 4 if they didn't earn it.
You’re certainly entitled to your opinion but I’m of the opinion that I don’t want to watch a playoff game featuring a team that would struggle to get First Down much less score points. FSU simply wasn’t the same team in games 12 and 13 as they were in games 1-11. They ceased being a top 4 team, imo. If you disagree please let me know where I’m wrong.
By that logic Cincinnati shouldn't have gotten in at all with the schedule they played in 2021. Their signature win was ND on the road. Their remaining schedule was a glorified G5 schedule.
Idk man I just don’t see FSU as being one of the 4 best teams at the moment. Frankly I wouldn’t have excluded Georgia either. I know that that’s a wild position too.
Bingo!!!
Ever since the inception of the playoff Joey Galloway (he was the worst of the bunch) and Jesse Palmer to some degree, would ramble on and on about "the body of work" when defending rankings.
That statement was missing this selection show.
Hhmmm..now why would that be?
Because that means the SEC gets no teams invited this year.
The show immediately after the title games Galloway knew exactly what would happen. Not a word about body of work. Not one word.
It suddenly became IF the FSU QB hadn't gotten injured they'd be in. We can't include them without their starting QB.
Alrighty then.
While the game has gotten soft and has become a pass happy spectacle there are still 21 other players needed on both sides of the ball to win.
That's all FSU did...they won everything in front of them. 2-0 against the SEC...
The ACC overall had a winning record against the SEC....
Doesn't matter.
The SEC / ESPN love affair continues and no way they were having a playoff...in which ESPN has the rights to those games....and not have one of their own involved.
To add...
Where's Ohio State in all this?
Remember this...
The committee doesn't care about what once was....they used to bur not anymore.
OSU only got beat by the new #1, Michigan, @ Ann Arbor by 6 points.
Oregon? They killed everyone. Only lost twice to the same very team who could be the new #1
The two losses were by a combined 7 points.
Barnum and Bailey is alive and well...it's called the CFB Playoff Committee
Where's Ohio State in all this?
Remember this...
The committee doesn't care about what once was....they used to bur not anymore.
OSU only got beat by the new #1, Michigan, @ Ann Arbor by 6 points.
Oregon? They killed everyone. Only lost twice to the same very team who could be the new #1
The two losses were by a combined 7 points.
Barnum and Bailey is alive and well...it's called the CFB Playoff Committee
Rick Neuheisel was in the room when SEC commissioner Michael Slive said if the SEC is not in not inn the playoff they would leave. It's evidently not wanted to, but couldn't
Haven’t looked at it in a while but there is a case for fsu, having beaten lsu by 21. LSU then loses by 30 to a team Alabama beats by 4. Don’t tell me how great the sec is when one of your top teams, who you prop up to prove the league is so great, gets smoked by fsu.
This doesn’t even take into account Texas beating Bama at Bama by 10.
Next year you will see 2 SEC schools get byes when both have a loss.
As much as I dislike FSU (because of 1993 and other games against ND), I’m sort of hoping they smoke GA big. Then there will be a controversy over who is really #1
We only saw FSU play with its second string back up ONE game. I don't think they should have been dropped over how they looked vs Florida. The same week, Bama looked much, much worse vs Auburn and the committee did not see fit to drop the Tide. FSU would have an entire month to get their second string QB up and running. And their defense is arguably better than Alabama's D.
I understand the arguments on both sides, but FSU played a tougher OOC schedule than Bama and had better results. I think the Noles were screwed.
I understand the arguments on both sides, but FSU played a tougher OOC schedule than Bama and had better results. I think the Noles were screwed.
The total strength of schedules aren't close. 3 vs 50. Alabama had the 3 and FSU was the 50.
Yeah we got it, bro. You've made this banal effin' point many times now. Even though the committee does not give a shit about that shit. It's just an excuse to give them more flexibility, and bolster their originally phony claim that they want the four best teams in - WHICH THEY DON'T ACTUALLY WANT OR CARE ABOUT. They just want as much freedom to pick whoever they want to pick, for whatever their reasons which have nothing to do with their stated claims. And which would always center around financial or political interests. In this case making sure the SEC gets a team in...
You don't get credit for playing a tough team and LOSING.
Stanford played the toughest schedule this year. Should we be putting the Trees into the playoff?
If they were a 1 loss team and just beat the number 1 ranked team, yeah probably. They might very well be considered the better team. It isn't that difficult.
Plus, if we're going to nitpick about that shit, they barely beat lowly Auburn on a legit desperation Hail Mary pass. Great play, but still pretty fluky and lucky.
But none of that really matters, I would strongly surmise, as somebody from the SEC was getting in. And if it were Georgia, it very well might have been FSU that made it in and not Texas. Or indeed it's possible that even if old boy hadn't got hurt, and was still FSU's starting QB, Bama and Texas still would have been the picks, in spite of committee's unconvincing claims.
As long as the committee is empowered to duly select the 'four best teams' as they see them, they're free to pick virtually anyone they want....
Most of you get that this is an escalation of corruption in an already pretty corrupt NCAA.
What gets me is how many defend this farce. The simpletons bleat: FSU ain't good enough! However it's the smart ones I worry about, offering the same kind of doublespeak and doublethink the Committee gave...where predicting the future trumps actual wins.
Man, if they can bamboozle over something so simple, small wonder they can bamboozle about more pressing issues than a football game. Just saying.
What gets me is how many defend this farce. The simpletons bleat: FSU ain't good enough! However it's the smart ones I worry about, offering the same kind of doublespeak and doublethink the Committee gave...where predicting the future trumps actual wins.
Man, if they can bamboozle over something so simple, small wonder they can bamboozle about more pressing issues than a football game. Just saying.
Another thought: this kind of corruption makes me a bigger ND fan. At least ND is trying to do the right thing...a real rebel against the semipro market manipulators governing college football.
Man if only ND could win a NC...the biggest middle finger to the NCAA possible...and to, yeah I gotta say it...SEC, who are heavily responsible for the current state of affairs.
Man if only ND could win a NC...the biggest middle finger to the NCAA possible...and to, yeah I gotta say it...SEC, who are heavily responsible for the current state of affairs.
It’s going to be the 13th, 14th, and 15th teams who will be crying foul!!! Just like with the NCAA BB tournament. No matter how many teams are in the playoffs, there will always be a few who think they got screwed!!!
I think you're missing the CRITICAL point: it's ok if the last 4 are subjectively picked if close enough, using some elastic clause like predicting the future based on injuries...but the 1st 4-6 must be included, especially if conference champion and undefeated.
The Power 5 undefeated conference champions now cannot mathematically be eliminated in a 12 team playoff, unless:
* Strength of schedule becomes skewed like never before in history.
* the committee again decides to weigh a team based on some clause about injuries, personnel, coaches, and perceived strength...basically doing what it feels like.
DISCLAIMER: I didn't read any rules governing the 12 team playoff, assuming it would be a similar playoff committee.
Agreed. There has to be automatic bids, where teams can control their own destiny by way of winning their conference. Otherwise it is just like Roman emperors, giving the thumbs up or thumbs down at their discretion. Which is probably fitting given the society we live in, but is still totally shitty.
And F the injury thing, that's just an insult to competitive honor in any scenario. You can have your typical criteria for at-large bids, naturally. But they should never include a factor like that. That's just indefensible. FSU actually overcame that adversity and were still punished by it....
The 4 best teams and the 4 most deserving teams are rarely ever the same teams.
The TV people will use the flexibility in the criteria, to get the matchups they want. The one they feel will produce the highest ratings.
The TV people will use the flexibility in the criteria, to get the matchups they want. The one they feel will produce the highest ratings.
Seriously, though, seriously..... How would any decent, right-thinking person with good, everyday American values have it ever occur to them that, you know what we ought to do? You know what this situation calls for? If a team, an 85-man team no less, loses one of their best players, especially at the all-important QB position.... what we ought to do, is yank them from consideration and eliminate them, on the thesis that they're not good anymore, and they're of no use.... even if they're undefeated, and met all the criteria, and 100% earned their place. And moreover we need to enshrine this morbid criterion into the official rule book, so that when good people of conscience naturally cry foul, we can cover our ass....
It's sick. It's deeply unwholesome, and very palpably, obviously so. In a way that would make a child begin to cry, because he couldn't fathom why this was happening to him, as if his own parents were betraying him somehow, when he just got through doing everything they asked. And he even skinned his knee doing what was asked of him, and it's because he hurt himself that he's being deliberately deprived. Seriously, It's that perverse and unjust....
I don't want to go off on a major tangent...but the playoff committee indeed represents encroaching corruption across all parts of our national culture.
We're ratifying and encouraging lying, cheating, and stealing...in this case, marketers have a narrative and pushed it. It just had to have an SEC team.
Every time they do this, they can push the bar further. Fine, the 12 team playoff ensures this won't happen this way again...but they'll explore other ways. Bias can decisively change games when margins are so tight...a dubious call here and there, more likely with this preferred narrative stuff.
I'm disgusted by what happened...and my memories are long about what the NCAA has long done.
