12 team playoff coming

[melstew]

We both spoke the same truth, only one of us, however, said it like a carpet bagging, classless, haughty, interloping, scheudenfraudel, condescending prick.
Oh ND is forced into a competitive disadvantage unless you give up the independence that is important to you-"decisions, decisions." Look, we are just not that in to the Big Ten. Sorry.

 

[Zorich 88]

what a joke. Show me where say the 12th best team in the nation belongs on the field with say the 4th or 5th.

Idiotic. But its all about the long green and nothing else.

Didn’t a lower rated A&M beat Bama? I can’t remember the full details.

Anyways, the same was said about March Madness but now people tune in just to watch the upsets.

 

[NDinNJ]

You already have that in the NFL. 9 win teams seeded 4th over 11-12 win wildcard teams seeded 5th. Now there is incentive for every team in a conference to win their conference.

While Notre Dame will likely make more playoffs than not, they will never be able to have a bye week and a top 4 seed as an independent. Decisions, decisions..

One extra game for a few years until they expand it to 16. Then everyone plays the same number of games. ND keeps its independence, Its $75 million/year in media money, 100% if it's playoff money, and can still play for a national championship!! Yep decisions decisions.... 😂😀

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[NDSMC78]

4. We're not necessarily playing an extra game overall compared to top 4 seeds. They played 13 before the last remaining rounds of the playoffs and so did we. Yes, you can argue that Alabama playing Mercer the week before Auburn hardly counts as a game, but here we are.

Bottom line: if you're good enough, you'll win. Seeding don't matter.

I was always opposed to expanding the playoffs and this is why--conference champs get automatic bids. It was a foregone conclusion that would happen. Teams that are 9-4 or 8-5 can win their conference and play for championships. If they were to take the top 8 or 12 or whatever, I could at least see it. Again, meh.

 

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

I was always opposed to expanding the playoffs and this is why--conference champs get automatic bids. It was a foregone conclusion that would happen. Teams that are 9-4 or 8-5 can win their conference and play for championships. If they were to take the top 8 or 12 or whatever, I could at least see it. Again, meh.

No argument there. I don't like the playoff expansion at all. And if they did expand. Make it 8 or 16. Not 12.

 

[BucksLAN]

We both spoke the same truth, only one of us, however, said it like a carpet bagging, classless, haughty, interloping, scheudenfraudel, condescending prick.
Oh ND is forced into a competitive disadvantage unless you give up the independence that is important to you-"decisions, decisions." Look, we are just not that in to the Big Ten. Sorry.

You are showing your character more than me, just saying. I mean Notre Dame is forcing themselves into a disadvantage by always having to play 4 playoff games just to win a title, meanwhile dozens upon dozens of schools can win it in 3 playoff games if they're good enough to win their conference.

 

[NDSMC78]

You are showing your character more than me, just saying. I mean Notre Dame is forcing themselves into a disadvantage by always having to play 4 playoff games just to win a title, meanwhile dozens upon dozens of schools can win it in 3 playoff games if they're good enough to win their conference.

And this post is Exhibit A of why the other poster referred to you as a condescending prick.

 

[NDinNJ]

You are showing your character more than me, just saying. I mean Notre Dame is forcing themselves into a disadvantage by always having to play 4 playoff games just to win a title, meanwhile dozens upon dozens of schools can win it in 3 playoff games if they're good enough to win their conference.

Who cares. It will eventually go to 16 and the byes will go away. You've been wrong about everything. ND is going to have its cake and eat it. Sorry your school can't compete with that. 😀😂

 

[BucksLAN]

And this post is Exhibit A of why the other poster referred to you as a condescending prick.

Does the truth hurt around here?? I'm literally telling you exactly what it will be like for Notre Dame to win any title from here on out. It's almost like if you post something against the grain, you get bashed for it and name called.

 

[NDSMC78]

Does the truth hurt around here?? I'm literally telling you exactly what it will be like for Notre Dame to win any title from here on out. It's almost like if you post something against the grain, you get bashed for it and name called.
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The truth is that you are a condescending prick. ND will be just fine. Despite your oft-expressed hope for ND to join the Big 10, ND will forge ahead on its own path.

 

[NDinNJ]

Does the truth hurt around here?? I'm literally telling you exactly what it will be like for Notre Dame to win any title from here on out. It's almost like if you post something against the grain, you get bashed for it and name called.

You are clueless. You've been wrong about everything. ND's upcoming media deal, getting locked out of the playoff. They'll expand to 16 within the next 10 years and it will do away with byes. ND will have its independence, access to a national championship, and it's media deal, and get to keep 100% of its playoff money. You're just bitter your school can't get that type of deal.

 

[melstew]

Buckslan not going to argue with someone who has enough of a vacuum in his life to go to another schools board and assert that 4 is not greater than 3. Good luck to you.

 

[beachcardinal]

So ND will have to play an extra game compared to the conference champions. But I guess that is fair since ND won't play in a championship game. A number one ranked ND would play the number 12 ranked team in the playoffs.

 

[ivan brunetti]

ND could be the sole undefeated team in the country and a unanimous AP #1, and only get the fifth seed. And an extra game increases the difficulty in winning the whole enchilada.

 

[beachcardinal]

ND could be the sole undefeated team in the country and a unanimous AP #1, and only get the fifth seed. And an extra game increases the difficulty in winning the whole enchilada.

Well, ND wouldn't play an extra game, it would play an extra playoff game. The four seeded teams would have to play in a conference championship game before the seeding for the playoffs.

 

[melstew]

Beach I think the difference will be when those games are played--i.e. there will be weeks between championship weekend and round 1. Ivan where can i get one of those enchiladas?

 

[ivan brunetti]

Well, ND wouldn't play an extra game, it would play an extra playoff game. The four seeded teams would have to play in a conference championship game before the seeding for the playoffs.

Yes, a conference championship is a 13th game. But many years, it could be something like Ohio State playing #24 Northwestern. Not the same size hurdle. And lots of minor injuries can heal with a bye week before a playoff game.

Excited that there will be home games. It is too bad there are not two rounds of higher seed home games. I know that fan travel etc would be a bit of a bitch; but so is arranging in a rush to go to New Orleans after winning a first round game.

 

[beachcardinal]

Beach I think the difference will be when those games are played--i.e. there will be weeks between championship weekend and round 1. Ivan where can i get one of those enchiladas?

Good point. Also, I want one of those too.

 

[beachcardinal]

Yes, a conference championship is a 13th game. But many years, it could be something like Ohio State playing #24 Northwestern. Not the same size hurdle. And lots of minor injuries can heal with a bye week before a playoff game.

Excited that there will be home games. It is too bad there are not two rounds of higher seed home games. I know that fan travel etc would be a bit of a bitch; but so is arranging in a rush to go to New Orleans after winning a first round game.

Good point. ND's second game will always be an away game. So four games to win verses three and the second games always away. Not the best format for ND. Anyone think this is an attempt to force ND into a conference?

 

[ivan brunetti]

Good point. ND's second game will always be an away game. So four games to win verses three and the second games always away. Not the best format for ND. Anyone think this is an attempt to force ND into a conference?

It may have been the best compromise that Swarbrick could get.

If ND values independence over everything, they will remain indie. If they want the same chance at an NC as the winner of major conference, they will join.

 

[mrwigglesby21]

Something tells me ND won't get squeezed out of a possible top 4 placement like that.

 

[beachcardinal]

It may have been the best compromise that Swarbrick could get.

If ND values independence over everything, they will remain indie. If they want the same chance at an NC as the winner of major conference, they will join.

Well, they will be in the playoffs nearly every year, but with a handicap.

 

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

If you now have 12 teams in a playoff. Why not just do away with the conference championship games?

 

[NDinNJ]

Good point. ND's second game will always be an away game. So four games to win verses three and the second games always away. Not the best format for ND. Anyone think this is an attempt to force ND into a conference?

I believe 12 was a starting point to get to 16.. So no.

 

[beachcardinal]

Something tells me ND won't get squeezed out of a possible top 4 placement like that.

Stewart Mandel confirmed that fact (ND never getting a bye as long as they're independent).

 

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

Good point. ND's second game will always be an away game. So four games to win verses three and the second games always away. Not the best format for ND. Anyone think this is an attempt to force ND into a conference?

It's my understanding after the byes and #5-#12 play each other, all games are played at a neutral site. So that isn't a disadvantage to ND.

 

[mrwigglesby21]

oops, didn't mean to post

 

[ivan brunetti]

Well, they will be in the playoffs nearly every year, but with a handicap.

Yes, sometimes a handicap. In some years, they might only be 10-2 and competing for double digit seeds.

The Committee will do everything possible to include teams with the largest potential ratings. Which is good for ND, USC, & Michigan; over programs such as Wake Forest, Stanford & Sparty.

 

[savvyandsassier]

We both spoke the same truth, only one of us, however, said it like a carpet bagging, classless, haughty, interloping, scheudenfraudel, condescending prick.

Whew, you just called him a carpetbagger, that is classic! I was commiserating with this dude on just how far the ND online football community has sunk in recent months, and right on cue you flip out and call him a carpetbagger, along with a string of other choice insults. And haughty, according to you this random tOSU fan is haughty!!!

As far as interloping goes, I think that's why they have these free boards, so that fans from different teams can mingle. Though most of them have been discontinued, sadly. As for you, I know you want to be isolated, so you can be all safe in the confines of your bubble, and maybe you'll interact with some tOSU fan if he's really nice about it.... But I enjoy a little banter and mindless football talk with an opposing fan on the eve of this big game.

I must admit, those were some pretty sweet fightin' words. There is a game after all, and us ND fans do have a duty to represent. So is 'scheudenfraudel' the adjective form of schadenfreude?

 

[ftnfan62]

what a joke. Show me where say the 12th best team in the nation belongs on the field with say the 4th or 5th.

Idiotic. But its all about the long green and nothing else.

It could stop the need for Bama vs Citadel. You can see teams drop the sub conference games.

 

[beachcardinal]

It's my understanding after the byes and #5-#12 play each other, all games are played at a neutral site. So that isn't a disadvantage to ND.

That makes sense

 

[melstew]

Whew, you just called him a carpetbagger, that is classic! I was commiserating with this dude on just how far the ND online football community has sunk in recent months, and right on cue you flip out and call him a carpetbagger, along with a string of other choice insults. And haughty, according to you this random tOSU fan is haughty!!!

As far as interloping goes, I think that's why they have these free boards, so that fans from different teams can mingle. Though most of them have been discontinued, sadly. As for you, I know you want to be isolated, so you can be all safe in the confines of your bubble, and maybe you'll interact with some tOSU fan if he's really nice about it.... But I enjoy a little banter and mindless football talk with an opposing fan on the eve of this big game.

I must admit, those were some pretty sweet fightin' words. There is a game after all, and us ND fans do have a duty to represent. So is 'scheudenfraudel' the adjective form of schadenfreude?

Thanks, I'll be here all week, don't forget to tip your waitress.

 

[savvyandsassier]

ND could be the sole undefeated team in the country and a unanimous AP #1, and only get the fifth seed. And an extra game increases the difficulty in winning the whole enchilada.

Did you literally attach a picture of an actual enchilada, just so I guess you could really drive home the point of how ND is getting screwed on the seeding?

And I think that's a burrito, and not an enchilada.... It could be a chimichanga! I truly love Mexican food, it is far and away my favorite kind of cuisine.

 

[ivan brunetti]

Did you literally attach a picture of an actual enchilada, just so I guess you could really drive home the point of how ND is getting screwed on the seeding?

And I think that's a burrito, and not an enchilada.... It could be a chimichanga! I truly love Mexican food, it is far and away my favorite kind of cuisine.

If ND feels it is getting screwed by not being in a conference, they can always fix that issue.

Google seems to think that is an enchilada. I don't know the official breakdown of what differentiates the top Mexican-American favorites.

 

[savvyandsassier]

If ND feels it is getting screwed by not being in a conference, they can always fix that issue.

Google seems to think that is an enchilada. I don't know the official breakdown of what differentiates the top Mexican-American favorites.

Well then you need to educate yourself! Treat yourself, tomorrow for the big game, and go get a standard combination plate from your local taqueria. Two enchiladas, and beans and rice! That actually sounds like a great idea. I could live the rest of my life on mission burritos from food trucks.....

And obviously this is a major competitive disadvantage for ND. As in, totally unacceptable for a team with championship aspirations to allow themselves to labor under. Just as simple as that. But this is the exact same playoff that was announced months ago, with Swarbrick leading the way, and then supposedly put on the shelf because some of the conferences balked.

So who knows what ND's plans are, or whether Swarbrick has been plotting all this time to undermine ND, and rob his own alma mater of their cherished independence. Or whether he did everything he could to prevent it, but there's just no stopping these inexorable changes, and now we have a totally badass 3-week long, 4-round genuine playoff to look forward to which will totally transform the sport for the better....

So I figure we'll probably join a conference. At least USC is already in the Big Ten, so that makes it easier....

 

[HarlemIrish]

Yup. And if ND goes 12-0 and is ranked #1, we still end up with a 5 seed. Meh.

That’s horrible.

 

[mirer03]

So ND will have to play an extra game compared to the conference champions. But I guess that is fair since ND won't play in a championship game. A number one ranked ND would play the number 12 ranked team in the playoffs.

The question becomes do they reset the bracket in that 2nd round. Notre Dame if ranked #1 and after winning a playoff game vs #12 should then be the #1 seed playing the lowest ranked remaining team not necessarily the #4 ranked conference champ. Not sure how that will work if you don't there is a chance of ND second round playing the #4 seed while the #2 seed plays the 11th seed....

 

[ivan brunetti]

The question becomes do they reset the bracket in that 2nd round. Notre Dame if ranked #1 and after winning a playoff game vs #12 should then be the #1 seed playing the lowest ranked remaining team not necessarily the #4 ranked conference champ. Not sure how that will work if you don't there is a chance of ND second round playing the #4 seed while the #2 seed plays the 11th seed....

I don't think so. Winning the first round, ND would most likely play number six or seven. Number one seed would play the lowest remaining seed.

 

[savvyandsassier]

The question becomes do they reset the bracket in that 2nd round. Notre Dame if ranked #1 and after winning a playoff game vs #12 should then be the #1 seed playing the lowest ranked remaining team not necessarily the #4 ranked conference champ. Not sure how that will work if you don't there is a chance of ND second round playing the #4 seed while the #2 seed plays the 11th seed....

They're not going to reset the bracket, dude. Good grief.....

They're not even going to have home games in the 2nd round, which totally sucks, but that's a horse of a different color. So ND is going to have play the #4 seed in your little scenario. And if ND really is some totally dominant #1 ranked team in the polls, we'll presumably easily beat the 4th-best conference champion on a neutral field. So just relax, you don't need to start corrupting this playoff before it even starts by insisting that ND have the rules bent on their behalf.....

 

[Shakin' Down the Thunder]

The question becomes do they reset the bracket in that 2nd round. Notre Dame if ranked #1 and after winning a playoff game vs #12 should then be the #1 seed playing the lowest ranked remaining team not necessarily the #4 ranked conference champ. Not sure how that will work if you don't there is a chance of ND second round playing the #4 seed while the #2 seed plays the 11th seed....

Wondered about that too. The remaining games are natural sites. And if ND is ranked #5. With 8 teams left, they would play the #4 seed. Yeah you can argue being #1 seed and playing #8 is an advantage. But in my opinion, if you're competing to be the best. You play and beat whoever is in your way. I don't think we'd see a drastic difference in outcome.