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I have a healthy concern about this game as well, but has SC played anyone like ND?

savvyandsassier
Quest4Twelve said:
Absolutely did not! Count me as one of the people not impressed by PSU. They have #44 who is a dude, but they don't seem very athletic to me.
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I don't think that really applies at this point. PSU is ranked ahead of us, heading into the final week, and came very close to losing to USC in LA. That more than suffices, by any possible standard, as evidence that they are capable of beating a top team, or keeping it very close, indeed taking it to OT. I'm just glad it's not Miller Moss, I think he's better than the backup who has since taken over. Though the new guy is a decent running threat, Maiava. MM is not.
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Am I the only one completely exasperated with THIS result every recruiting cycle?

chaseball
echowaker said:
I'll take a staffs evaluation on who " fits " their program best than some subjective website.
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What other public available/objective resource do we have to go off other than the consolidated view of the industry experts?

What coaching staffs are sharing their boards with the public?

There's a correlation between the consolidated industry view of these prospects and the teams that are at the top of the sport in the results.

The information is good. Its not perfect but its good enough/best information available to the public.
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tkirish said:
Yes “ educated opinion”. It’s not science or math wherr 2+2 will always equal 4. That’s never going to change. But I can say plenty of recruits are deemed 5 stars and many don’t live up to that. My point is simple. Stars are not the end all when judging players.
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I'll take a staffs evaluation on who " fits " their program best than some subjective website.
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chaseball said:
He said it will in an irish illustrated insider podcast. The basketball team secured a 5-star prospect. Just waiting for it to come to the football program.

We GOT EVERYTHING SET IN PLACE IN THIS FOOTBALL PROGRAM AT ALL LEVELS -- ALL WE NEED IS THE ADMINISTRATIONS SUPPORT to invest in elite HS prospects ... why won't hey give it us? its mind blowing man.
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Who is " we" ?
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Am I the only one completely exasperated with THIS result every recruiting cycle?

chaseball
Patrish said:
You are DEAD wrong on this issue

Which players in Charlie Weis’s era were academically unqualified ?

Name them !
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Bro, you are making my point.

We were able to secure many 5-star #1 prospects at their position/top 5 prospects during the Charlie Weis era while having arguably even more archaic academic requirements and standards.

If we could do it then, why can't we do it now?

Point being: the issue today is not academic standards, its something else.
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I have a healthy concern about this game as well, but has SC played anyone like ND?

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savvyandsassier said:
They played Penn St., and had the game won, or at least had PSU on the ropes, and it went to OT before finally losing. Did you forget about that? PSU that's ranked ahead of us, like, 4th overall in the whole country?

So thank you for the sentiment, I guess. But your point is not well taken.
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Absolutely did not! Count me as one of the people not impressed by PSU. They have #44 who is a dude, but they don't seem very athletic to me.
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chaseball said:
It feels like im the only Notre Dame fan in existence tired of this result every year. It's SERIOUSLY capping the upside of the football program.

2025 | 0 5-stars

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You believe the sites when they tell you who is a 5 star and who isn't

They told you Jeramiyah Love wasn't at that level. He was. So was others like Bryce Young and KVA. There were others who underrated and should have been top 100 players

You just gotta watch the film and don't believe everything they tell you. Use it as a tool. Not the end all be all
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Will Black got a fifth star..

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chaseball said:
He's up to number 35 in the 247 composite in 2025. He's a composite 4.5 star at this point knocking on the door of being a composite five-star player.

I remember back when he committed he was in the 100s I believe overall. Notre Dame's done a good job identifying lower ranked players early that seem to grow in their prospect profile over the recruiting cycle. Bryant Young was one of those guys last season and there were a few others as well
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Lower than that. Another player we argued over. You believed the rankings. I said they were ridiculous and he's one of the best OL in the country

Gotta watch the film. It was an easy eval

He's going to ve a 5 star
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chaseball said:
"academic standards" is just self righteous rhetoric that excuses away incompetence/bad leadership at the university. Where were the academic standards during Charlie Weis' top 5 classes/5 star-laden classes?
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You are DEAD wrong on this issue

Which players in Charlie Weis’s era were academically unqualified ?

Name them !
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savvyandsassier
tkirish said:
Nobody is an expert. It’s an opinion nothing more. It’s sort of like weather forecasting.
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As much I don't care about recruiting stars, and sympathize with your characterization, it's obviously true that if you get annual top five classes, you're going to be better off talent wise, on average. But ND is a special case, I feel very confident saying. You need program fits at ND. Forget about just the grades. And if ND is getting top 15 classes, comprised almost entirely of good program fits I'll take that every time. That's why we have a team like we do right now. They have the esprit de corps, they have a good affinity for the whole milieu, and they thrive on playing at ND, and with each other, which is a thoroughly different atmosphere than a SEC program like LSU. And you need guys that will be comfortable with and thrive at ND. And we get plenty of blue chippers as well.
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Ref's with a 12 / 16 playoff

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ftnfan62 said:
Is it time to for conference affiliated ref's to become extinct? I dont know if anyone watched the GA Tech game, but the SEC refs which I respect the most of all the conferences did win that game for UGA. From the targetting on the QB, to the holding calls missed that were blatant to the PI's in the endzone with little contact and one was a tipped ball.

I just wonder with what, maybe 20-30M on the line for UGA to miss the playoffs which would have happened and GA Tech with no chance, did their bias for an SEC and a home game?

Usually you see one bad call, but that game was really bad and I think 21 points can be credited to the officials. Social media and headline news (SI, On3, etc.) are calling that game a ref win.

Just dont know if Ref's should be affiliated to a conference going forward. Seems like there is enough money to make it a National organization, with standards and ratings and even regardless of team.
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You raise a valid point

The Refs should be from a conference not affiliated with the two teams playing
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savvyandsassier
I would have definitely not called the 4th and goal PI, that just reeked of favoritism. UGA vs Bama does that get called? I don't know. It did not seem like egregious blatant PI at all. PI is so overcalled as it is. It's such a weapon for the refs and game-changing penalty. You could practically fix a game, with the refs in on it, with a handful of timely PI calls.

Apparently the buzz among pundits and within the cognoscenti is that the refs have been egregiously bad this year, speaking of 'egregious'. Not just the Texas game, but in general, all over the country.
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