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OT: What Is Happening At The White House?

We were all on a roll talking about the Notre Dame recruiting and you had to take a big dump on the board.

Oh come on Bodi, have a laugh. I got a chuckle out of your post about the Queen and Canadian Parliament. This board has gotten too uptight.

We are fans of a 4-8 football team that is somehow recruiting like Nicco's dad is writing cheques to recruits. Thought y'all would be in a better mood and able to handle a little banter and needling!
 
Oh come on Bodi, have a laugh. I got a chuckle out of your post about the Queen and Canadian Parliament. This board has gotten too uptight.

We are fans of a 4-8 football team that is somehow recruiting like Nicco's dad is writing cheques to recruits. Thought y'all would be in a better mood and able to handle a little banter and needling!

I posted that in response to your post about Trump. One dump deserves another. No big deal. I just hope this board doesn't go back to a few weeks ago when all the posts were political.
 
I just hope Trump realizes he's President now and not a candidate and starts acting like one, his way is not always the best way for the country.

I wish he, and his staff such as Stephen Miller, would stop thinking of himself as a King: "the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned.” His is not a God-mandated authority; we fought a Revolution to get away from this thinking. All actions of anyone in government are reviewable.

Marbury vs. Madison (1803) established the authority of courts to judge constitutionality of actions and was accepted by other branches of federal government. Stopped FDR's attempt to "pack" the courts and convinced Eisenhower to enforce Brown vs, Board of Education (1954). This is one of the basic tenets of the different responsibilities of our branches of government. If Trump did not/does not believe this separation of power, then he should never have run.
 
I think Trump's doing a good job so far, overall. He needs to plug the leaks though. Too many leaks. It may be Obama holdovers at Dept of State, etc. who are doing most of the leaking.
 
I posted that in response to your post about Trump. One dump deserves another. No big deal. I just hope this board doesn't go back to a few weeks ago when all the posts were political.

I know you did. I was being sincere when I said I had a chuckle. I thought it was a clever retort. Adults can needle each other without it getting out of hand if they just don't get so darn serious all the time.
 
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It wont be long before comrade Trumpsky will be impeached or tried for treason. Maybe both.
 
University scientists claim left-wing violence is caused by global warming… “the planet made them do it” Hail to libtards!
 
Ontario, you've lectured before on Americas issues. How about the next time you have a mass killing at a mosque in your country come have a laugh haha on this board.
 
Ontario, you've lectured before on Americas issues. How about the next time you have a mass killing at a mosque in your country come have a laugh haha on this board.

Bad things happen in this world my man. Nobody is immune to it and I certainly don't pretend the country that I live in is. That said, an isolated incident is not something to build a narrative about. Among Canada's plethora of issues, a shooting at a mosque, a senseless crime against people, is not at the top of the list. We have a crisis with our Native People, growing drug issues in rural communities, etc, etc that are becoming alarming. Hell, last year in Ottawa the homicide rate basically doubled from the year before. It was routinely under 10 (almost all drug and gang related) which is incredible for a city of a million people. For it to double was alarming to all of us.

For the record, there is a huge difference between joking about a highly insecure, toupee wearing, politician and his press secretary... And making the stretch to joking people dying. Nobody that I know of is laughing about people dying, in any country.

Context, my man. Context.
 
There is not one thing unusual. What you are seeing is total propaganda from 90 per cent of the media who are exaggerating, falsifying and propagating an anti Trump agenda with help from Obama holdovers in the White House who are leaking and fabricating stories

So -- Flynn not being upfront with the VP about his dealing with Russia was a fabrication of the truth? Even as Spicer announced it on national TV?
 
NYTimes Reports Trump Aides' "Repeated Contact" With Russian Intel Officials, Admits No Collusion Discovered
 
I think Trump's doing a good job so far, overall. He needs to plug the leaks though. Too many leaks. It may be Obama holdovers at Dept of State, etc. who are doing most of the leaking.

I don't think Obama "holdovers" at State are privy to the things that are being leaked.
 
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Thr similarities from the first two years of the Clinton WH is uncanny. Bunch of people stabbing each other in the back being led by a guy (Trump) that's severely over his head. Time to reboot and moderate things. Too bad too because he had a (still does really) chance to run right down the middle and rip members from both parties to create an unstoppable coalition. Instead he's acting like some far right mad man just to appease the people that got him elected. He's not that person. He'd be wise to return to the Liberal Republican that's in his DNA.
 
Toupee' ??? If that's a Toupee I would have thought he could afford a better one.

Maple, It's a joke!! I'm playing on the media discourse that people are complaining about. Trump has been accused of wearing a toupee for years. He's went to great lengths to prove otherwise.

I'm just trying to stop the conversation from getting too serious.
 
National Security Advisor resigns within three weeks.

-FBI, CIA, and NSA recording / monitoring the phone calls of campaign aides / all pertinent actors in Trump campaign for contact with Russian intelligence agents.

-Former MI6 agent publishes dossier corroborating Trump in collusion with the Russians to influence the U.S. elections. 19% of Russian oil company Rosneft allegedly promised to President Trump.

-19.5% of Rosneft recently sold to unknown parties. Reported by Reuters / AP.

9th Circuit Ruling>Conducting National Security Meeting in Public>Flynn fiasco>Conway ethics violation confirmed> Campaign Contacting Russian Intelligence Revelations... All within 5 days. Cards beginning to fall fast and critical mass is building.
 
You need borders for gun control laws to work (see: England, Japan, Germany, Canada, etc). Chicago has no borders.

The United States does not have a gun problem, nor a regulation issue.

What it has is an obsession with guns. They are firmly imbeded in your consitution (or at least that's how many Americans read). It's a cultural phenomenon , not much different than when extremist Muslims read "Jihad" in the Koran and abuse it to the extreme limits of what it was intended to mean.

The difference between the U.S. and the other countries you listed is that the people in those countries aren't obssessed with guns and they aren't easy to obtain and aren't readily available outside of models available to be purchased for the purpose of hunting.

The firearms that Americans have the ability to fairly easily get their hands on are designed for one use... To kill. And because many of them are illegal to hunt with, essentially they are designed to kill people.

Regulation will change nothing in America as it relates to gun, nor will secure boarders... It's woven into your cultural and legally supported by your constitution.

It would be no different than a country in which a huge segment of the populatiob smoked cigarrettes and the unfiltered type, especially... You would see a massive rise in Lung Cancer and Emphysema.... And the rest of us would look at it objectively and say "duh".

America has so much gun violence whether it be related to mass shootings, inner city violence, etc, etc, because you're obssessed with guns... That's it. Period... You can't have it both ways. If you want to read your Constitution literally (your right entirely) and flood your country with guns, you'd be utterly stupid to think that it won't result in a huge number of gun related deaths...

I watch the debate back-and-forth about regulation and I "face palm" every time.

Lose the obssession, greatly reduce the numbers availble yo the public abd down goes the violence... Or don't and that's your right (I'm certainly not trying to infringe on it) and live with the consequences... You can't have it both ways.

Europeans routinely laugh when us North Americans go over there to visit and remark at the lack of obesity and amount of fit people in their culture... They quickly point out that thry aren't obssessed with fast food and high caloric meals. They drink of all things, water, in place of soda.... Novel idea huh?
 
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We have always had guns in the US, they are part of our culture. The problem is not the guns, it is the psychotropic drugs that big pharma is currently peddling. All of these recent school shootings have been kids on SSRI drugs that are known to have these violent side effects.

Another side effect of anti depressants? Weight gain.
 
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I don't think Obama "holdovers" at State are privy to the things that are being leaked.

It may also be NSA people, etc - rogue people like Snowden was. Some of them have access to the secure communications. Whomever it is, they should be rooted out and fired. Because the details of private conversations between the president and other world leaders should not be getting leaked.
 
National Security Advisor resigns within three weeks.

-FBI, CIA, and NSA recording / monitoring the phone calls of campaign aides / all pertinent actors in Trump campaign for contact with Russian intelligence agents.

-Former MI6 agent publishes dossier corroborating Trump in collusion with the Russians to influence the U.S. elections. 19% of Russian oil company Rosneft allegedly promised to President Trump.

-19.5% of Rosneft recently sold to unknown parties. Reported by Reuters / AP.

9th Circuit Ruling>Conducting National Security Meeting in Public>Flynn fiasco>Conway ethics violation confirmed> Campaign Contacting Russian Intelligence Revelations... All within 5 days. Cards beginning to fall fast and critical mass is building.

The left-wing conspiracy theorists are working overtime.
 
Draining the swamp!

Of his appointees!

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We have always had guns in the US, they are part of our culture. The problem is not the guns, it is the psychotropic drugs that big pharma is currently peddling. All of these recent school shootings have been kids on SSRI drugs that are known to have these violent side effects.

Another side effect of anti depressants? Weight gain.

Those drugs are the issue in inner cities as well where there is extreme gun violence as well?...

No. Those drugs are a contributing factor, but the cultural obssession with guns is the issue.

If your culture is obssessed with smoking you'll have high rates of lung cancer...

If your culture is obssessed fast food and soda you'll have a high rate of heart problems and diabetes...

If your culture is obssessed with drinking and driving, you'll have a high rate of deaths involving drunk drivers...

If your culture has an obssession with I don't know, planking, you'll have a high number of planking deaths...

This is the furthest thing from rocket science. Americans love guns. They have tons of them. Cool. That's their right, again, I have no desire to infringe on it. But don't be shocked when gun violence is a huge part of your culture, the same way you shouldn't be shocked when you are diagnosed as a diabetic after eating McDonalds multiple times each week and crushing multiple cans of soda each day for years...

We need to stop skirting the issue. If someone was an addicted gambler and lost everything gambling, we wouldn't be shocked. If somebody was a drug addict and overdosed, we wouldn't be surprised. If an alcholic dies of liver failure, we don't launch a queery into his or her death (beyond the autopsy of course)....

When a nation obssessed with guns has gun related deaths outnumbering those of nations who don't share that obssession, that isn't a mystery, it's a certainty.
 
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Cigs have been virtually regulated out of US society and guns can be too. The NRA will be beaten just like the tobacco loby was.
 
Cigs have been virtually regulated out of US society and guns can be too. The NRA will be beaten just like the tobacco loby was.

Regulation works only when the people in your country (the vast majority) want to be regulated. People in North America realized that there was indisputable evidence that smoking was killing people in a plethora of ways. The people didn't fight regulation and in time, the numbers of smokers have been reduced significantly and the price of cigarettes has soared....

Guns are a different issue. A large number of Americans fundamentally believe they need guns in case they need to overthrow the government. It's sewn into your culture and legally supported and one can argue even mandated by your founding document. There is also a large segment of your population that feel they need weapons more destructive than those you'd hunt animals with.

I disagree that US culture is going to become the victim of regulation. How many people were saying that you could only regulate their cigarettes "over their dead bodies"?

I think many Americans that point to other first world nations that have a strong stance against guns and low gun violence because of it, don't truly understand the depths of regulation and legality in those countries to keep that the case. My family are avid hunters. My brother, my dad and myself own a combined 9 rifles and shotguns. There are no open carry permits here. Your hunting rifle must be stored with a gun lock, in a gun cabinet, which has to be locked and the ammunition for said rifle or shotgun has to be stored in a different place. There are enormous fines if you're caught not abiding by a plethora of laws that govern gun ownership. In order to get anything more than a standard caliber shotgun or rifle, you have to jump through hoops and there is a substantial vetting out process... And Canada is not even one of the more stringent countries compared to some of the European and Asian countries.

Do you think Americans are going to stand for any of that? No. Will they participate in it for the likely full generation it would take to get the guns out of the system? No.

They love their guns and there isn't anything wrong with that. It's who they are. I'm not judging them. The people that I think are delusional are those that believe that regulation is the the answer to U.S. "gun problems"... This is like when I cringed at Obama's attempted implementation of Universal Healthcare, pointing at countries like Canada and Sweden as examples of how it would work... What he didn't talk about was the implementation of socialist Healthcare system, has to be supported by people who have some socialist values. The United States has a history of supporting the right, liberties and freedoms of the individual. "I'll worry about me, you worry about you..." You can't have a socialist health care system without those who are going inevitably pay for it (the middle class) on board with sacrificing some of their hard earned money to support people at the bottom of the system (who won't pay). It's not a right or wrong thing. It's a cultural thing. It's woven into the culture in Sweden. The Unites States does not share that culture. Capitalism and the quest for riches supersedes the health of your fellow countrymen and women in the U.S... I'm not judging that, it's just who you are. Culture aside, there were enormous factors that were ignored such as the massive number of pre-existing conditions and the relatively unhealthy nature of the country in general... I love universal halthcare. It works in some places. Canadians, for example, live longer than Americans and live healthy lives on average.... That said, what works for one country doesn't work for others. And universal health care does not work in the U.S. because Americans don't want it to. And good for you guys in fighting for which you believe!
 
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Regulation works only when the people in your country (the vast majority) want to be regulated. People in North America realized that there was indisputable evidence that smoking was killing people in a plethora of ways. The people didn't fight regulation and in time, the numbers of smokers have been reduced significantly and the price of cigarettes has soared....

Guns are a different issue. A large number of Americans fundamentally believe they need guns in case they need to overthrow the government. It's sewn into your culture and legally supported and one can argue even mandated by your founding document. There is also a large segment of your population that feel they need weapons more destructive than those you'd hunt animals with.

I disagree that US culture is going to become the victim of regulation. How many people were saying that you could only regulate their cigarettes "over their dead bodies"?

I think many Americans that point to other first world nations that have a strong stance against guns and low gun violence because of it, don't truly understand the depths of regulation and legality in those countries to keep that the case. My family are avid hunters. My brother, my dad and myself own a combined 9 rifles and shotguns. There are no open carry permits here. Your hunting rifle must be stored with a gun lock, in a gun cabinet, which has to be locked and the ammunition for said rifle or shotgun has to be stored in a different place. There are enormous fines if you're caught not abiding by a plethora of laws that govern gun ownership. In order to get anything more than a standard caliber shotgun or rifle, you have to jump through hoops and there is a substantial vetting out process... And Canada is not even one of the more stringent countries compared to some of the European and Asian countries.

Do you think Americans are going to stand for any of that? No. Will they participate in it for the likely full generation it would take to get the guns out of the system? No.

They love their guns and there isn't anything wrong with that. It's who they are. I'm not judging them. The people that I think are delusional are those that believe that regulation is the the answer to U.S. "gun problems"... This is like when I cringed at Obama's attempted implementation of Universal Healthcare, pointing at countries like Canada and Sweden as examples of how it would work... What he didn't talk about was the implementation of socialist Healthcare system, has to be supported by people who have some socialist values. The United States has a history of supporting the right, liberties and freedoms of the individual. "I'll worry about me, you worry about you..." You can't have a socialist health care system without those who are going inevitably pay for it (the middle class) on board with sacrificing some of their hard earned money to support people at the bottom of the system (who won't pay). It's not a right or wrong thing. It's a cultural thing. It's woven into the culture in Sweden. The Unites States does not share that culture. Capitalism and the quest for riches supersedes the health of your fellow countrymen and women in the U.S... I'm not judging that, it's just who you are. Culture aside, there were enormous factors that were ignored such as the massive number of pre-existing conditions and the relatively unhealthy nature of the country in general... I love universal halthcare. It works in some places. Canadians, for example, live longer than Americans and live healthy lives on average.... That said, what works for one country doesn't work for others. And universal health care does not work in the U.S. because Americans don't want it to. And good for you guys in fighting for which you believe!
You are wrong. You dont understand Americans and you never will. Americans want universal health care and gun control and will eventually overcome the 1% who are currently pulling the strings.
 
You are wrong. You dont understand Americans and you never will. Americans want universal health care and gun control and will eventually overcome the 1% who are currently pulling the strings.

No context at all? Just "you're wrong"?... That's fine. I'm more-than-happy with my knowledge regarding Americans, but I'm always happy to learn more, so feel free to enlighten me. Sincerely.

1% of Americans are standing the way of Universal Healthcare that is affordable for a country whose population is obese to a tune of 35%?! That's nonsense. Do you know how much money we pay in taxes to make our system work here? A lot of Americans would just about fall over dead if they paid even a percentage of the income tax Canadians do to keep the system affordable. Hell, in states where the minimum wage is what it is, some people would literally be flat broke. So obviously a single tier system is not affordable, which leaves you the option of a two-tier system. So who is going to pay for the people that can't pay for themselves? There are roughly 14-15% of Americans, some estimated 45 million that live below the poverty line... If you're not willing to accept a major tax hike to pay for the system, the only option you're left with is a two-tier, race-to-the-bottom type system, which will inevitably lead back to what you had before Obamacare... Two completely different tiers of healthcare. The poor will get the very, very basics, while those who can afford more, will get substantially more.
 
No context at all? Just "you're wrong"?... That's fine. I'm more-than-happy with my knowledge regarding Americans, but I'm always happy to learn more, so feel free to enlighten me. Sincerely.

1% of Americans are standing the way of Universal Healthcare that is affordable for a country whose population is obese to a tune of 35%?! That's nonsense. Do you know how much money we pay in taxes to make our system work here? A lot of Americans would just about fall over dead if they paid even a percentage of the income tax Canadians do to keep the system affordable. Hell, in states where the minimum wage is what it is, some people would literally be flat broke. So obviously a single tier system is not affordable, which leaves you the option of a two-tier system. So who is going to pay for the people that can't pay for themselves? There are roughly 14-15% of Americans, some estimated 45 million that live below the poverty line... If you're not willing to accept a major tax hike to pay for the system, the only option you're left with is a two-tier, race-to-the-bottom type system, which will inevitably lead back to what you had before Obamacare... Two completely different tiers of healthcare. The poor will get the very, very basics, while those who can afford more, will get substantially more.

Canadians are fat too.
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You are wrong. You dont understand Americans and you never will. Americans want universal health care and gun control and will eventually overcome the 1% who are currently pulling the strings.

As for gun control... America wants to point to finger at every potential factor, except for the guns themselves. The problem is crazy people. The problem is poverty. The problem is mentally ill people with access. The problem is drugs that warp people's minds. The problem is racism. The problem is government participation in your lives.

No, the problem is guns and allowing an abundance of them to be in the hands of people and expecting them not to kill people with them....

How do I know? Because anytime people look in depth into the countries that have low gun related deaths, the answer is always the same. People in those countries don't have have an obsession with guns. There is no paranoia in the country that they need to defend themselves. They don't have access to guns. The guns they have access to have to be stored in a strict manner and cannot be carried with them in public... All the background checks in the world, all of the mental health help for people who need it, and all of the boarders you can build are not going to stop people from getting shot... Taking the guns away from Americans will. And do you actually believe that Constitutional right is going to be infringed on anytime soon? And whose is going to us to take the guns away from those not willing to give them up? Who is walking into the neighborhoods in Oakland, Detroit, St. Louis, Baltimore, Atlanta, Miami etc, etc and saying "give us your guns, for the safety of the people who live around you"?
 
Canadians are fat too.
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Hahaha friggen Randy!

Yes, Canadians are fat too. You're 100% right. Studies indicate that roughly 18-20% of Canadians are obese. About 15-17% less than Americans, but still way too high. An important thing to consider is that 100% of those Canadians were born into a healthcare system that has been treating them since birth, despite their obesity, which means that in a lot of cases, the system has a financial grasp on many of their health issues.

The implementation of a universal system is extraordinarily costly when all-of-a-sudden, a massive chunk of the population that has been surviving on the most basic of healthcare, and who have (in many cases) a series of pre-existing conditions or developing conditions, become covered, at the expenditure of tax payers. When you factor in how many obese people are already being supported financially by "the system", it costs you a damn fortune and the middle class winds up with the bill.
 
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