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I put this on the ACC thread but it was buried on page three... Interesting point of diThis NY Times Writer seems to agree with the general thinking (I think it is BS but...) Imagine we win our next three beat a one loss Stanford team and then go on to crush in the ACC championship game.

That would convince them! (But this guy seems to think a one-loss Big Ten team (OSU, MSt, even Iowa) would get in over a one-loss ND team... Same with SEC, Big 12 and Pac 10! (So you see, unless we go undefeated we really have no chance of making the final four.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...n-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
 
stu4don said:
I put this on the ACC thread but it was buried on page three... Interesting point of diThis NY Times Writer seems to agree with the general thinking (I think it is BS but...) Imagine we win our next three beat a one loss Stanford team and then go on to crush in the ACC championship game.

That would convince them! (But this guy seems to think a one-loss Big Ten team (OSU, MSt, even Iowa) would get in over a one-loss ND team... Same with SEC, Big 12 and Pac 10! (So you see, unless we go undefeated we really have no chance of making the final four.http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...n-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
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You do know that we don't play in the ACC Championship game, right?
 
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Read what he says under the one loss big ten, and acc section. the graphic needs to oversimplify it but he alludes that a one loss msu or iowa, would need other things to happen, same with one loss unc and maybe even clemson.
 
stu4don said:
I put this on the ACC thread but it was buried on page three... Interesting point of diThis NY Times Writer seems to agree with the general thinking (I think it is BS but...) Imagine we win our next three beat a one loss Stanford team and then go on to crush in the ACC championship game.

That would convince them! (But this guy seems to think a one-loss Big Ten team (OSU, MSt, even Iowa) would get in over a one-loss ND team... Same with SEC, Big 12 and Pac 10! (So you see, unless we go undefeated we really have no chance of making the final four.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...n-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
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All I needed to see was NYT. Says it all.
 
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Nd always has a chance. The problem is playing one less game. It makes it much harder, but still possible. If you beat Stanford the Pac-12 is probably our of contention (slight chance if Utah runs our) If you don't Nd is of course out. Win out and I'd say you have about a 50% chance.
 
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stu4don said:
I put this on the ACC thread but it was buried on page three... Interesting point of diThis NY Times Writer seems to agree with the general thinking (I think it is BS but...) Imagine we win our next three beat a one loss Stanford team and then go on to crush in the ACC championship game.

That would convince them! (But this guy seems to think a one-loss Big Ten team (OSU, MSt, even Iowa) would get in over a one-loss ND team... Same with SEC, Big 12 and Pac 10! (So you see, unless we go undefeated we really have no chance of making the final four.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...n-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
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That writer never said we had "no chance".
 
stu4don said:
I put this on the ACC thread but it was buried on page three... Interesting point of diThis NY Times Writer seems to agree with the general thinking (I think it is BS but...) Imagine we win our next three beat a one loss Stanford team and then go on to crush in the ACC championship game.

That would convince them! (But this guy seems to think a one-loss Big Ten team (OSU, MSt, even Iowa) would get in over a one-loss ND team... Same with SEC, Big 12 and Pac 10! (So you see, unless we go undefeated we really have no chance of making the final four.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...n-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0
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Re: "Imagine we win our next three beat a one loss Stanford team and then go on to crush in the ACC championship game."

Right................just imagine.
 
Ugh the New York Times is such a liberal rag and completely wrong in this regard as it is in most.
 
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I don't see what the article has to do with politics at all. You may disagree with the placement of 5-8, but I'm not sure anyone can say it's "completely" wrong.
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It's a conservative thing. They are angry about everything.
 
NDEwing18 said:
I don't see what the article has to do with politics at all. You may disagree with the placement of 5-8, but I'm not sure anyone can say it's "completely" wrong.
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It doesn't have anything to do with politics, I was describing what the paper is. Do you have reading comprehension issues? And I may have been a tad dramatic about saying completely wrong, however I do disagree with much of it.
 
ThunderStorm21 said:
It doesn't have anything to do with politics, I was describing what the paper is. Do you have reading comprehension issues? And I may have been a tad dramatic about saying completely wrong, however I do disagree with much of it.
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I don't disagree that the newspaper has a liberal bent to it, but I'm not sure what that has to do with the article. Would a Wall Street Journal or Fox News article on the college football playoff somehow be different?
 
ThunderStorm21 said:
It doesn't have anything to do with politics, I was describing what the paper is. Do you have reading comprehension issues? And I may have been a tad dramatic about saying completely wrong, however I do disagree with much of it.
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Total nonsense. You're tossing the "liberal" tag around pretty good today, like its some sort of weapon. You're trying to make things political. Frankly, its weird.
 
IRISHJD98 said:
Total nonsense. You're tossing the "liberal" tag around pretty good today, like its some sort of weapon. You're trying to make things political. Frankly, its weird.
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Not really coward, keep pretending though. What's weird is you stalking my posts and trying to find something to get all pissy about. Go change your tampon.
 
NDEwing18 said:
I don't disagree that the newspaper has a liberal bent to it, but I'm not sure what that has to do with the article. Would a Wall Street Journal or Fox News article on the college football playoff somehow be different?
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I was just describing the paper? You know the paper that wrote the article? And to answer your question no.
 
I thought the article was pretty accurate. I especially liked the part where they used the invisible type that you can only read with your liberal decoder glasses that said Ty Willingham was unfairly fired because he was black
 
ThunderStorm21 said:
Listen son if you don't like my comment I don't give a shit, so stop quoting my posts and ignore it.
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I didn't say I didn't like it. I said that it was difficult to determine the relevance of your quote as it pertained to the article. You then admitted that your statement had no relevance at all and you didn't know what you were talking about. You also didn't indicate what was "completely wrong" about the article.

If you're going to start swearing at and getting angry with multiple people on a message board, then maybe you need to re-evaluate the priorities in your life.
 
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NDEwing18 said:
I didn't say I didn't like it. I said that it was difficult to determine the relevance of your quote as it pertained to the article. You then admitted that your statement had no relevance at all and you didn't know what you were talking about. You also didn't indicate what was "completely wrong" about the article.

If you're going to start swearing at and getting angry with multiple people on a message board, then maybe you need to re-evaluate the priorities in your life.
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I never said that. You're an idiot.
 
ThunderStorm21 said:
I never said that. You're an idiot.
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I asked you what the paper's liberal bent had to do with the validity of the article. You admitted it had nothing to do with the article; thus, you admitted that your comment had no relevance. Instead of attacking the paper, if you think the article is wrong, perhaps, like most people, you should point out what's wrong with the article.
 
Who cares what some writer from the NYT's says about ND's chance this year. Saying ND has no chance is the perfect thing to say if you want headline clicks. All of the haters (yourself included) will click and all of the homers will click. He knows nothing more than anyone else about ND's chance but knows one thing for sure - write an article and put down ND and everyone clicks on it.

And, FWIW, I will not lower myself to 'click' on the article he wrote.
 
Irish Grandeur said:
Who cares what some writer from the NYT's says about ND's chance this year. Saying ND has no chance is the perfect thing to say if you want headline clicks. All of the haters (yourself included) will click and all of the homers will click. He knows nothing more than anyone else about ND's chance but knows one thing for sure - write an article and put down ND and everyone clicks on it.

And, FWIW, I will not lower myself to 'click' on the article he wrote.
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The article actually doesn't say that ND has "no chance". If you only read the original post on this thread, you would think that the article is about Notre Dame; if you read the actual article, you would see that Notre Dame isn't referenced any more or less than any other contender, and the original post misquotes what the article actually says. I would encourage people to read an article before dismissing it as wrong based on what someone else says.
 
"I don't do it for the haters I do it for the players."

NDEwing18 -- don't waste your time, man, it is just not worth it...

I thought the article gave an accurate opinion of what the committee will consider next month. I don't agree with that consideration but I think we're gonna have to deal with it...
 
stu4don said:
"I don't do it for the haters I do it for the players."

NDEwing18 -- don't waste your time, man, it is just not worth it...

I thought the article gave an accurate opinion of what the committee will consider next month. I don't agree with that consideration but I think we're gonna have to deal with it...
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I agree with you. The article puts Notre Dame behind (1) an undefeated Big Ten champ, (2) an undefeated or one-loss SEC champ, (3) an undefeated ACC champ, (4) an undefeated Big 12 champ, (5) a one-loss Big Ten champ, (6) a one-loss Pac-12 champ, and (7) a one-loss ACC champ.

I don't think anyone here can rationally disagree with (1) through (4) being ahead of us. For (5), I think that a one-loss Ohio State or Michigan State could have a better argument, though I would personally rate our chances as better than a one-loss Iowa (which would mean that Iowa would have a great victory over whoever comes out of the other division, but would have a terrible loss on its schedule, too). For (6), the only relevant team would be Utah, who would also have a victory over the best team we would have beaten (Stanford) and would also have a victory over what appears to be a highly regarded Michigan team. They also didn't play any FCS teams (unlike other contenders). We would have the claim that we beat the team that beat them (and also thus have a better loss), but I got the sense last year that the committee cares more about who you beat, rather than who you lost to.

For (7), assuming it was down to us and a one-loss Clemson, Clemson may get the nod based on the fact that they beat us (though Clemson's out-of-conference slate was pitiful, and you could make the argument that losing in a rainstorm on a failed two-point conversion didn't necessarily indicate that Clemson was much, much better than Notre Dame). Florida State would be an interesting study and arguments could be made on both sides.
 
Agreed. And when a team crushes in their conference championship (see OSU last year) it really helps their chances. Meanwhile we sit in SBend with our one loss... What kills me is we don't really play the kind of weak teams OSU plays early in their schedule. They have not played a top 20 team yet. We have played GTech (was #13 when we played them), USC, Temple and Clemson. Something ain't right. The Clemson one loss argument harkens back to '93 when we had the best team in college football, yet the powers that be decided to give Fla State (the team we beat) the nod due to our last minute upset at the hands of Coughlin's BC team late in the season! Don't think the committee will see that as a precedent. Shame.

Now, lets put all this away and beat Pitt. One game at a time!
 
NDEwing18 said:
The article actually doesn't say that ND has "no chance". If you only read the original post on this thread, you would think that the article is about Notre Dame; if you read the actual article, you would see that Notre Dame isn't referenced any more or less than any other contender, and the original post misquotes what the article actually says. I would encourage people to read an article before dismissing it as wrong based on what someone else says.
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I read a lot of ND articles every day. I did not care to read that one based on what the OP stated.There's already enough 'ND cannot make the playoffs" for me from people who speculate. No one...I mean, no one knows how the next three or four games play out and how that will affect the playoff committee. I'm just holding out...hoping ND gets a shot.
 
Irish Grandeur said:
I read a lot of ND articles every day. I did not care to read that one based on what the OP stated.There's already enough 'ND cannot make the playoffs" for me from people who speculate. No one...I mean, no one knows how the next three or four games play out and how that will affect the playoff committee. I'm just holding out...hoping ND gets a shot.
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For now, I'm just hoping to beat Pitt this Saturday. At this point, ND just needs to beat the rest of the teams on the schedule and let the chips fall where they may.
 
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For now, I'm just hoping to beat Pitt this Saturday. At this point, ND just needs to beat the rest of the teams on the schedule and let the chips fall where they may.
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Irish Grandeur said:
I read a lot of ND articles every day. I did not care to read that one based on what the OP stated.
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The issue is that I don't think it accurately captured what was in the article. Nowhere did the article state that ND had no chance. It simply handicapped the chances of each team/conference in the playoff race in a way that, in my opinion, is unbiased.
 
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