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Wide Receivers in 2017

IrishInOntario

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Very excited about ND's wide receiver group in 2017. It'seems evident that ND is going to run the ball behind their offensive line and with their three impressive backs, but when they do throw it, I'm really excited the passing threats ND brings to the table this year.

Let me first say that I don'the believe KJ Stepherson is going to play this year as of right now. Kelly is staying quiet on the issue, whether it be academic or disciplinary in nature, but the only reason a player with his talent would still be running with the 3rd and 4th units half way through spring is if he was in either the University's or Brian Kelly's doghouse. The kid is electric. Right now he's in trouble. Fingers crossed that he's eligible to play right now and that Kelly is simply sending a strong message to him this spring... Unfortunately, I think it'should likely a little more serious than that.

Without KJ, however, I still love the unit in general. EQ is going to take another step forward this year and be a 1000 yard receiver with a chance at double digit touchdowns. He'll likely earn the opportunity to go pro after this year should that interest him. He must continue to work his ass off in the weight room between the end of spring until August, and I'd love to see him add another 5-7lbs of muscle to his long frame between now and then. As he gets stronger he'll be impossible to defend on contested balls in the air.

Oppositems EQ you're going to have another 6'4-6'5 threat in eitherror Chase Claypool or Miles Boykin, both of whom are getting a ton of reps this spring and have both taken turns dominating in practice. Boykin, in particular, has had the start to his best year yet. Miles lost some weight and worked hard with Matt Balis and appears healed from the broken finger that added to his drop issues last year. Undoubtedly, concentration will always be key for Boykin, but his confidence is building and he continues to get better. Claypool is just a nightmare to defend. There is so much he still needs to learn, and he probably hasn't even hit 60% of his upside as a football player, but there isn't physically more impressive, more competitive or eager to learn player, relative to position, on the entire team. I think he'll split reps this year and make some big plays, but by 2018, he's going to be a force. You just can't defend a kid that runs 4.55 at 6'5, 225lbs and plays fiery and competitive. Chip Long loves Chase and is going to develop him properly.

The Chris Finke / CJ Sanders battle is interesting to me. As the offense moves more in the direction of 2 TE's in the base group, I expect to see a true slot receiver on the field this year maybe on maybe only 35-40% of ND's snaps, meaning the reps are going to be hard to come by. Scarcity creates value and those two kids are warring it out to see who plays. While Sanders is undoubtedly the twitchier, more explosive athlete, it'seems easy to see why Finke is holdingoing him off at this point. Coaches love kids they can trust. Finke is that poor man's Wes Welker or Julian Edelman, in that anytime he is on the field, he may be the least impressive athlete of the 11, but he's just clutch. You can trust him to be where he needs to be, catch everything thrown his way and battle for every inch. There is room for a kid like that on every offense and don'the be shocked if he is security blanket for Brandon Wimbush in key situations this year, especially when it comes to moving the sticks on third down. If Sanders beats Finke out, it's because he matches Chris' work ethic, and production. If that happens, look out. CJ is a touchdown waiting to happen, he simply needs to develop the consistency to make that happen.

Aliz'e Jones, if healthy and eligible, is going to be a living, breathing, nightmare. As his position coach and the guy running the offense, Chip Long must feel like he won the lottery coming to an offense with a kid like Jones manning themail TE spot. Whether he's lined up attached to the formation, as an H-Back, in the slot or inverted with a wide receiver and playing in the boundary or to the field, Chip Long is going to get Aliz'e some crazy matchup advantages. Do you cover a 6'4.5, 250lb tight end that can really run with a safety? Do you switch off and cover him with a 5'11, 190lb corner when he's split out wide. As an H-back, you're basically forced to cover him with a cover down SAM backer, and how many teams in the country have the Jaylon Smith type of athlete at that position it would take to cover him?... Expect to hear Aliz'e's name a lot this year, complimented by Durham Smythe and two uber talented freshman TE's.

While ND is likely going to run a ton this year to help Wimbush out and to take advantage of a quality offensive line and stable of backs, when ND throws the ball, they are not going to be short (both literally and figuratively) on players that can make you pay.
 
Solid analysis... Love the size of our receivers. Hope you are wrong about Stepherson! (Do we have another burner to step in case, a dark horse who steps up to stretch the field? McIntosh or McKinley?) Who is the fastest guy on the team these days?
 
Solid analysis... Love the size of our receivers. Hope you are wrong about Stepherson! (Do we have another burner to step in case, a dark horse who steps up to stretch the field? McIntosh or McKinley?) Who is the fastest guy on the team these days?

There are different types of speed on a football field and different ways to take the top of the defense. Sometimes you have a guy who is straight line fast and you can just run nine-routes all day and watch him stack corners and run right by them. Other times you have a guy like EQ St. Brown whose stride length makes him deceptively fast and corner who is in his hip pocket at 15 yards, is always a step behind by the 25 or 30 yard mark. Think of Usain Bolt, who is always trailing a guy like Tyson Gayle early, but simple physics tells you he needs to take less strides (because his are longer) to get to the finish line, so slowly, but surely, hetc always overcomes his adversary over distance. If you'really a corner, not only do you have hang with the stride length of EQ of Chase, but them when it comes time to bring down the ball, you're likely 5'10-6'0 and like most kids, have proportionate limbs for that length... The problem is, so do they and they are 5-7 inches taller than you. If all thingset were equal, it would truly be a "50/50" ball, but because those guys are incredibly tall, long and fast, things aren'the equal, and in reality it'seems more of a 70/30 ball because you have to be in the perfect position to play the ball, without committing PI and I'd it'seems placed high and in stride, good friggen luck. There is a reason corner is the toughest position in football.

Don'the obsess over speed would be my point here. A kid who runs 4.55 at 6'5 is every bit of a nightmare to defend as a kid who is 6'0, but runs 4.4.
 
Is EQ going to play the X? Right now, EQ, Miles, Chase and Javon have all been noted as possession receivers or Ws. Stepherson is the only one who is a flat out X. His legal problem is supposed to be resolved in April for last years problem that got Redfield expelled. Coney as well I believe. Neither one is running at first string right now. Maybe, after April with a positive result, they can be relied on more.

In the meantime, I would like EQ and Javon at X with Chase and Miles at W. I think EQ and Chase on the field at the same time have the combination of height speed and catch radius that would let Wimbush throw long successfully.
 
I don't agree with your take on Stepherson's eligibility at this point, though I can see why you'd draw that conclusion.

Stepherson has taken reps with both the 3rd and 2nd strings....there is no reason you'd do that, with how crowded the WR comp. is....unless you thought there was at least a solid shot that he'd be available for games come fall.

I could see it as either a "risk" of not being available, or a strong message to clean up his act, but the flat out "not available" just doesn't make sense to me, given the facts.

Additionally, it sounds like Sanders has started taking more reps with the 1st team than Finke, though they've both been taking 1st team reps. I would bet that Sanders continue to pass Finke as they both get more used to the offense (and ST), as Sanders is just far more talented.....though Finke is underrated.

I'm also interested to see how the grad transfer from Michigan (Canteen) plays into all of this. Seems like he could easily get lost in the shuffle, though he could play at either the field WR or Slot WR positions.
(The only reason you take Canteen, imo, is to hedge on Stepherson's availability)

My guess on the WR lineup for the Temple game:

WRx (field):
Stepherson OR
Claypool
Canteen

WRw (boundary):
St. Brown
Boykin
McKinley

WRz (slot):
Sanders
Finke
Canteen

TE (flex):
Jones
Weishar
Kmet

TE (attached):
Smythe
Wright OR
Luatua

That's an insanely talented and dangerous group....with just a boat-load of flexibility/versatility, not to mention depth

There is every reason to be excited about this offense
 
I don't agree with your take on Stepherson's eligibility at this point, though I can see why you'd draw that conclusion.

Stepherson has taken reps with both the 3rd and 2nd strings....there is no reason you'd do that, with how crowded the WR comp. is....unless you thought there was at least a solid shot that he'd be available for games come fall.

I could see it as either a "risk" of not being available, or a strong message to clean up his act, but the flat out "not available" just doesn't make sense to me, given the facts.

Additionally, it sounds like Sanders has started taking more reps with the 1st team than Finke, though they've both been taking 1st team reps. I would bet that Sanders continue to pass Finke as they both get more used to the offense (and ST), as Sanders is just far more talented.....though Finke is underrated.

I'm also interested to see how the grad transfer from Michigan (Canteen) plays into all of this. Seems like he could easily get lost in the shuffle, though he could play at either the field WR or Slot WR positions.
(The only reason you take Canteen, imo, is to hedge on Stepherson's availability)

My guess on the WR lineup for the Temple game:

WRx (field):
Stepherson OR
Claypool
Canteen

WRw (boundary):
St. Brown
Boykin
McKinley

WRz (slot):
Sanders
Finke
Canteen

TE (flex):
Jones
Weishar
Kmet

TE (attached):
Smythe
Wright OR
Luatua

That's an insanely talented and dangerous group....with just a boat-load of flexibility/versatility, not to mention depth

There is every reason to be excited about this offense
Like another poster said-it probably has to due with last year's problem.After that is cleared, Stepherson should be ok.I think he will be good to go this fall. Like iio said-this is a great wr corp to work with. Most coaches would drool to have this depth.
 
I think the offense has the potential to be very good.

EQ- I think he's very good.

KJ- I've never seen a better route runner as a freshman. I'm hoping he plays a lot.

Boykin- Originally, thought he was big and slow and would move to LB.
Seems to be impressing.

Claypool- I find myself rooting so hard for this kid not to drop anything.
Size and speed are unreal.
Don't want to see the talent wasted like Jonas Gray was. Has to be developed and used now.

CJ/ Finke- both are good.

Alize Jones- I'm sick of hearing about him.
Play some real football already.

Smythe- played like crap a lot last year than came on.
Maybe, being too hard on him. It's not easy at all coming back from surgeries.
Very concerned when I hear a podcast where Mike Frank questioned his compete level vs USC

Weishar- is better than people give him credit for.

Luatua- like McGlinchey played amazing vs LSU. If he plays- it can't dictate to the entire world it's a run only play. Would love to see him banging again.

Kmet/ Wright- Deion Sanders was ultra impressed with Wright. Both of these guys get rave reviews.

Adams/ Williams/Jones.
Adams- hoping to see the beast vs Stanford in 2015.
Williams needs to prove he can pound it between the tackles.
Jones- if he runs like Anthony Johnson/ Rodney Culver. He will play a lot.

At the end of the day- I won't let myself get hyped about the spring only to get disappointed by injuries or suspensions.
I can only hope that the defense lands Pagano and the full potential of the team is realized.
 
I think the offense has the potential to be very good.

EQ- I think he's very good.

KJ- I've never seen a better route runner as a freshman. I'm hoping he plays a lot.

Boykin- Originally, thought he was big and slow and would move to LB.
Seems to be impressing.

Claypool- I find myself rooting so hard for this kid not to drop anything.
Size and speed are unreal.
Don't want to see the talent wasted like Jonas Gray was. Has to be developed and used now.

CJ/ Finke- both are good.

Alize Jones- I'm sick of hearing about him.
Play some real football already.

Smythe- played like crap a lot last year than came on.
Maybe, being too hard on him. It's not easy at all coming back from surgeries.
Very concerned when I hear a podcast where Mike Frank questioned his compete level vs USC

Weishar- is better than people give him credit for.

Luatua- like McGlinchey played amazing vs LSU. If he plays- it can't dictate to the entire world it's a run only play. Would love to see him banging again.

Kmet/ Wright- Deion Sanders was ultra impressed with Wright. Both of these guys get rave reviews.

Adams/ Williams/Jones.
Adams- hoping to see the beast vs Stanford in 2015.
Williams needs to prove he can pound it between the tackles.
Jones- if he runs like Anthony Johnson/ Rodney Culver. He will play a lot.

At the end of the day- I won't let myself get hyped about the spring only to get disappointed by injuries or suspensions.
I can only hope that the defense lands Pagano and the full potential of the team is realized.

If you like the potential with Claypool, the you'll love Alize Jones. Very similar athletic/skill/size prospects imo, although A. Jones is a little thicker (thus he's a TE while Claypool a WR)
 
Does Javon McKinley make it on the field this year or too many upperclassmen?
 
Does Javon McKinley make it on the field this year or too many upperclassmen?

It's too early to tell. He's still not 100% from his broken leg and missed a lot of lower body work in the weight room this off season. This spring and into the summer will be huge for Javon. My thoughts are that he'll probably just be a bit behind, however. Especially when you consider that this offense is going to play a lot of two tight ends. The guys I think that will play major roles are

EQ St. Brown
Kevin Stepherson (if eligible)
Miles Boykin
Chase Claypool
CJ Sanders
Chris Finke
Freddy Canteen

Those 7 guys and Aliz'e Jones will take most of the wide receiver reps. Javon will likely have to wait another year.
 
It's too early to tell. He's still not 100% from his broken leg and missed a lot of lower body work in the weight room this off season. This spring and into the summer will be huge for Javon. My thoughts are that he'll probably just be a bit behind, however. Especially when you consider that this offense is going to play a lot of two tight ends. The guys I think that will play major roles are

EQ St. Brown
Kevin Stepherson (if eligible)
Miles Boykin
Chase Claypool
CJ Sanders
Chris Finke
Freddy Canteen

Those 7 guys and Aliz'e Jones will take most of the wide receiver reps. Javon will likely have to wait another year.

I totally forgot about Canteen. I don't expect much from him but it would be such a great story I do root for him. He does have over the top of the defense potential. It hurts him not being part of spring practice.

If Javon can not leap frog Canteen, Boykin or Stepherson, I wonder if we could redshirt him.

I am a little stunned on how Stepherson went from an early commit many of us questioned to our best X receiver as a sophomore. His 29 or so receptions last year as a freshman are the most that I remember. I really hope his issues resolve themselves. He is a real talent.
 
It's too early to tell. He's still not 100% from his broken leg and missed a lot of lower body work in the weight room this off season. This spring and into the summer will be huge for Javon. My thoughts are that he'll probably just be a bit behind, however. Especially when you consider that this offense is going to play a lot of two tight ends. The guys I think that will play major roles are

EQ St. Brown
Kevin Stepherson (if eligible)
Miles Boykin
Chase Claypool
CJ Sanders
Chris Finke
Freddy Canteen

Those 7 guys and Aliz'e Jones will take most of the wide receiver reps. Javon will likely have to wait another year.
I hate to say but ND really missed out on Demetrius Robertson. He really had a good first year for Cal and will only get better if he stays injury free.
 
I hate to say but ND really missed out on Demetrius Robertson. He really had a good first year for Cal and will only get better if he stays injury free.

We did not lose him for lack of trying. Demetrius just had a very strong desire to be an electrical engineer going to a school near silicon valley. He could not go into Stanford so he went to Cal Berkeley.
 
I hate to say but ND really missed out on Demetrius Robertson. He really had a good first year for Cal and will only get better if he stays injury free.

There is no doubt. Robertson is a phenomenal player and is going to have a great college career before going pro. He simply wanted to be in California and he followed his heart. Can't blame the kid, as big if a blow as it was to ND.
 
There is no doubt. Robertson is a phenomenal player and is going to have a great college career before going pro. He simply wanted to be in California and he followed his heart. Can't blame the kid, as big if a blow as it was to ND.

I don't think EQ St Brown gets enough love from Irish fans. I believe, if utilized, he might end up being one of the all time great receivers at ND. Everyone says his brother is better than him-- I don't really care that much about getting his brother (it would be nice) --I am more focused on EQ and what he will do !
 
I don't think EQ St Brown gets enough love from Irish fans. I believe, if utilized, he might end up being one of the all time great receivers at ND. Everyone says his brother is better than him-- I don't really care that much about getting his brother (it would be nice) --I am more focused on EQ and what he will do !

Depends if he stays all 4 years. You're right that he has the tools to go over 1000 yards and 10 TD's each of the next two seasons, but that depends on him coming back for his senior season. He is the type of prospect that the NFL drools over. Has that AJ Green type of body that NFL covets so much. When he's a full 220lbs playing on Sundays, he'll be a demon to defend.
 
Can't get over the number of big skilled receivers with better than decent speed we have in this group. Six ft corners are going to have their work cut out trying to cover these guys, especially if Wimbush is accurate and plays to their height advantages. Throw in a physical dominant running game that will force the back seven to play the run, and our receivers will present a nightmare to cover. Wish we could skip baseball and dive into football!
 
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Depends if he stays all 4 years. You're right that he has the tools to go over 1000 yards and 10 TD's each of the next two seasons, but that depends on him coming back for his senior season. He is the type of prospect that the NFL drools over. Has that AJ Green type of body that NFL covets so much. When he's a full 220lbs playing on Sundays, he'll be a demon to defend.

I don't care about him playing on Sundays. Selfishly, being a Irish fan, I only care what he does on Saturdays or Monday night (Championship game?)
I also think EQ can be an alltime Irish great even if he has just one great season that helps bring the Irish to the pinnacle.
Erik Pennick is an all time Irish great and that was based on only one play (the 88 yard run against USC IN 1973).
*** not trying to bust on you at all because you give a great opinion on what he is capable of. Just stating for the record my opinion on what it takes to be an alltime Irish great. I am sure many other fans have differing opinions on that. Thanks.
 
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I'm beginning to think Boykin might be this year's surprise at WR, biiiig, long strider who has that Bolt kinda speed IIO talks about!

EQ, Boykin and Chase on the field at the same time with Alize -- wowza, cover nightmare....
 
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