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Where were you November 20, 1993 ?? !!

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The day the music died ??!!
I was in a small rental house outside MCAS New River in Jacksonville, North Carolina. My wife of five months put a blanket over me as I lay motionless on the floor after the field goal went through the uprights. I woke up in the middle of the night as a CH53 helicopter hovered above.
I have never really gotten over that loss.
Time for Payback this Saturday !! Kill the Eagles !!
 
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I've always laid the fall of ND football at the feet of the administration. Something major hit behind the scenes that took a Lou Holtz program to a grinding halt (9 losses in 6 years to 11 losses in 3 years). That loss was hard to take Bodi for sure.
 
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I was at that game. Most incredible game I have ever witnessed. Unbelievable comeback by the Irish. I remember the performances of Lee Becton carrying the ball and Derrick Mayes receptions.
 
Bodizephax said:
The day the music died ??!!
I was in a small rental house outside MCAS New River in Jacksonville, North Carolina. My wife of five months put a blanket over me as I lay motionless on the floor after the field goal went through the uprights. I woke up in the middle of the night as a CH53 helicopter hovered above.
I have never really gotten over that loss.
Time for Payback this Saturday !! Kill the Eagles !!
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Section 21, about 30 rows up. Very cold day, then blissfully warm for about five minutes, then very cold again. Not one of my fonder memories.
 
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Bodizephax said:
The day the music died ??!!
I was in a small rental house outside MCAS New River in Jacksonville, North Carolina. My wife of five months put a blanket over me as I lay motionless on the floor after the field goal went through the uprights. I woke up in the middle of the night as a CH53 helicopter hovered above.
I have never really gotten over that loss.
Time for Payback this Saturday !! Kill the Eagles !!
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Skiing in Aspen. Came down from the mountain and went to a bar where the game was on. The bar was well populated with members of The Seminole Club of the Rockies. When the ball went through the uprights the crowd erupted with cheers so loud it felt like the place shook. As the revelers began chanting the FSU fight song and cries of Orange Bowl, Orange Bowl two guys wearing Notre Dame gear got up and walked out!

Equally memorable as the Nebraska game itself!
 
Without looking it up, what happened on November 28, 1964 and why was it so critical to ND football?
 
XGoBearcatsX said:
The 1993 championship was the biggest fraud in the history of cfb.

Two teams with one loss and the better team trashed FSU the week before this classic loss to another ranked team.

It was cfb's gift to the Warden Bowden.
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Bearcats? :

It's funny that Bobby Bowden's life long friend and admirer Lou Holtz disagrees with you! ;)
 
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Bodizephax said:
The day the music died ??!!
I was in a small rental house outside MCAS New River in Jacksonville, North Carolina. My wife of five months put a blanket over me as I lay motionless on the floor after the field goal went through the uprights. I woke up in the middle of the night as a CH53 helicopter hovered above.
I have never really gotten over that loss.
Time for Payback this Saturday !! Kill the Eagles !!
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I was at the Jacksonville Landing not ever expecting that day to be BCs first win against the Irish.
 
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deadirishpoet said:
I was at the Jacksonville Landing not ever expecting that day to be BCs first win against the Irish.
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Interesting. I had bad feelings about that game even before it started. One, we were coming off a huge win the week before and due for a letdown and two, we embarrassed BC the year before, rubbed it in in fact with a fake punt and putting the first string defense back on the field to try to prevent them from getting on the board late in the fourth quarter.

We came out flat as can be, and BC was sky high. Coughlin was also the only coach to take advantage of our lack of speed at the linebacker position, which allowed Pete Mitchell to get open all game long.
 
XGoBearcatsX said:
The 1993 championship was the biggest fraud in the history of cfb.

Two teams with one loss and the better team trashed FSU the week before this classic loss to another ranked team.

It was cfb's gift to the Warden Bowden.
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I don't know. ND had a bye week before FSU and played at home. We did dominate most of the game, but most viewers saw a game that FSU had a chance to tie or win on the last play.

All we had to do was beat BC, and although we had an incredible fourth quarter comeback, they dominated 50 minutes of that game.

So, you are a voter. You have undefeated Nebraska as your number one. And you choose between a one-loss FSU team that lost on the road to #2, which had an extra week to prepare, or a one-loss ND team that laid an egg on its home field to a team that was ranked something like 16th.
 
Toby Smart said:
Yep. I just wanted a rough idea of how many of us hang around here from that era. Not many.
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Not from the era, but have seen the highlights (lowlights) more than enough. Anthony Davis, I believe did a lot of damage to the Irish in the 2nd half.
 
I think we all have "friends" who let us down and are not the people we would like them to be. I like Lou Holt's, but his "friend " Bowden is a bum; not a good man and is one guy in front of a camera and a miserable old fraud when the camera if off!
 
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Toby Smart said:
Yep. I just wanted a rough idea of how many of us hang around here from that era. Not many.
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Actually, I was too young to be paying attention. The first ND game I remember was against Purdue in '66.
 
HDK said:
I don't know. ND had a bye week before FSU and played at home. We did dominate most of the game, but most viewers saw a game that FSU had a chance to tie or win on the last play.

All we had to do was beat BC, and although we had an incredible fourth quarter comeback, they dominated 50 minutes of that game.

So, you are a voter. You have undefeated Nebraska as your number one. And you choose between a one-loss FSU team that lost on the road to #2, which had an extra week to prepare, or a one-loss ND team that laid an egg on its home field to a team that was ranked something like 16th.
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I have always believed that you don't have to give us 1993 and you don't have to give us 1989. But you have to give us one of the two. We were on the two different sides of the same argument, head to head game result versus overall body of work for the season, yet we managed to lose the argument both times. Now you didn't hear much about it in 1989, because it seemed generally accepted that head-to-head was the overriding factor. Holtz did some minor campaigning after we knocked off #1 and undefeated (sound familiar?) Colorado in the Orange Bowl, but most people just assumed head-to-head ruled the day. But since 1993 indicates that's not true, a re-evaluation of 1989 was in order. So I do not care which one you pick, but we are short one national championship, and you need to pick one of them.
 
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HDK said:
Interesting. I had bad feelings about that game even before it started. One, we were coming off a huge win the week before and due for a letdown and two, we embarrassed BC the year before, rubbed it in in fact with a fake punt and putting the first string defense back on the field to try to prevent them from getting on the board late in the fourth quarter.

We came out flat as can be, and BC was sky high. Coughlin was also the only coach to take advantage of our lack of speed at the linebacker position, which allowed Pete Mitchell to get open all game long.
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Pete Mitchell???????
You had to bring up Pete Mitchell?
 
Personal foul on ND on the final kickoff which brought the ball out to the 24 or 25 yard line. No replay shows any personal foul, and it was right in front of me. Of course they still should have held on for the win, since Pete (Bersich) dropped a sure interception right at him.
 
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twalsh said:
I have always believed that you don't have to give us 1993 and you don't have to give us 1989. But you have to give us one of the two. We were on the two different sides of the same argument, head to head game result versus overall body of work for the season, yet we managed to lose the argument both times. Now you didn't hear much about it in 1989, because it seemed generally accepted that head-to-head was the overriding factor. Holtz did some minor campaigning after we knocked off #1 and undefeated (sound familiar?) Colorado in the Orange Bowl, but most people just assumed head-to-head ruled the day. But since 1993 indicates that's not true, a re-evaluation of 1989 was in order. So I do not care which one you pick, but we are short one national championship, and you need to pick one of them.
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THIS!!!!!!!
 
twalsh said:
I have always believed that you don't have to give us 1993 and you don't have to give us 1989. But you have to give us one of the two. We were on the two different sides of the same argument, head to head game result versus overall body of work for the season, yet we managed to lose the argument both times. Now you didn't hear much about it in 1989, because it seemed generally accepted that head-to-head was the overriding factor. Holtz did some minor campaigning after we knocked off #1 and undefeated (sound familiar?) Colorado in the Orange Bowl, but most people just assumed head-to-head ruled the day. But since 1993 indicates that's not true, a re-evaluation of 1989 was in order. So I do not care which one you pick, but we are short one national championship, and you need to pick one of them.
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The only difference between the two years is in 1989, Miami smoked us. In 1993, FSU had a chance right down to the last play. There was certainly some favoritism involved. Plus, the book, Under the Tarnished Dome -- a nasty bit of character assassination -- painted a very unflattering picture of Holtz, which may have carried over to the voting..
 
DieHard_Irish said:
Personal foul on ND on the final kickoff which brought the ball out to the 24 or 25 yard line. No replay shows any personal foul, and it was right in front of me. Of course they still should have held on for the win, since Pete (Bersich) dropped a sure interception right at him.
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I remember an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for excessive celebration when we took the lead.
 
DieHard_Irish said:
Personal foul on ND on the final kickoff which brought the ball out to the 24 or 25 yard line. No replay shows any personal foul, and it was right in front of me. Of course they still should have held on for the win, since Pete (Bersich) dropped a sure interception right at him.
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The time out to ice the kicker helped BC more than hurt them
 
HDK said:
I remember an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty for excessive celebration when we took the lead.
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I was there and have no recollection of a excessive celevration call. It was a personal foul call on the ensuing kickoff after we took the lead 39-38
 
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HDK said:
The only difference between the two years is in 1989, Miami smoked us. In 1993, FSU had a chance right down to the last play. There was certainly some favoritism involved. Plus, the book, Under the Tarnished Dome -- a nasty bit of character assassination -- painted a very unflattering picture of Holtz, which may have carried over to the voting..
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In 1989 we played what was, up to that point, the toughest schedule in NCAA history. By the end of the year we had played the champions of the Big 10 (Michigan), Big 8 (Colorado), Pac 10 (USC) and ACC (Virginia), plus played three of the best independents (Miami (11-1), Penn State (8-3-1) & Pitt (8-3-1)). Throw in there that Air Force was ranked #17 when we played them in mid October. Seven of our 12 opponents were ranked #17 or better at the time we played them, and four were ranked #7 or better. IMHO, the best ND team in the past 40 to 50 years.
 
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DieHard_Irish said:
I was there and have no recollection of a excessive celevration call. It was a personal foul call on the ensuing kickoff after we took the lead 39-38
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Yeah, the penalty was on the kick off play, not celebrating the go ahead TD.
 
twalsh said:
In 1989 we played what was, up to that point, the toughest schedule in NCAA history. By the end of the year we had played the champions of the Big 10 (Michigan), Big 8 (Colorado), Pac 10 (USC) and ACC (Virginia), plus played three of the best independents (Miami (11-1), Penn State (8-3-1) & Pitt (8-3-1)). Throw in there that Air Force was ranked #17 when we played them in mid October. Seven of our 12 opponents were ranked #17 or better at the time we played them, and four were ranked #7 or better. IMHO, the best ND team in the past 40 to 50 years.
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Totally agree with this, we definitely got shafted in 89' or 93' ... as you say, pick one
 
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I stand corrected on the personal foul call; although just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

As to the schedule strength, I agree the '89 team played an incredible schedule. They also got bitch-slapped by a superior Miami team in the regular season finale. If we lost to Miami in a barn burner and didn't get the NC, I'd say we were shafted, but I think if we lost a close one to Miami we would have won the title.

As far as 93 goes, I think FSU played four top-10 teams: Miami, Florida, ND and Nebraska. I think the real argument is whether we should have dropped to #3 after losing to BC. But the week we lost that game, FSU handled Florida easily.
 
Duo said:
Bearcats? :

It's funny that Bobby Bowden's life long friend and admirer Lou Holtz disagrees with you! ;)
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Wait...a Bearcat is talking trash? Isn't that the 8th best university and 5th best football team in Ohio?
 
HDK said:
I stand corrected on the personal foul call; although just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

As to the schedule strength, I agree the '89 team played an incredible schedule. They also got bitch-slapped by a superior Miami team in the regular season finale. If we lost to Miami in a barn burner and didn't get the NC, I'd say we were shafted, but I think if we lost a close one to Miami we would have won the title.

As far as 93 goes, I think FSU played four top-10 teams: Miami, Florida, ND and Nebraska. I think the real argument is whether we should have dropped to #3 after losing to BC. But the week we lost that game, FSU handled Florida easily.
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Out of curiousity I looked it up and using the final polls (as you said four were top 10 at the time they were played) in 93 FSU played #2 ND, #3 Nebraska, #5 Florida, #15 Miami, #19 UNC, and #23 Clemson while Virginia was also ranked at the time they were played.

Notre Dame played #1 FSU, #9 Texas A&M, #13 Boston College and #21 Michigan.

Nebraska played #1 FSU, #16 Colorado, #17 Oklahoma, #18 Nebraska, and #20 Kansas State.

So at the end of the year ND had played 4 teams ranked in the final top 25, Nebraska 5 and FSU 6.
 
Still nursing my happy hangover from celebrating the FSU victory the week before when I was in the stadium with a bunch of ND buddies (and sleeping in a big Bounder, they used to let you park 'em right outside the stadium Fri/Sat on weekends, great times, great victory!). Now I was back home in LA for the heartbreaker to BC. I can still see that pick sailing through the hands of... who was the linebacker who had a chance to end the game?

Coughlin out coached Holtz that day.

Biggest shame of all was... those were the days when we were like Alabama -- we had the best talent in the land... but didn't get 'er done.

This weekend we will.
 
Bodizephax said:
The day the music died ??!!
I was in a small rental house outside MCAS New River in Jacksonville, North Carolina. My wife of five months put a blanket over me as I lay motionless on the floor after the field goal went through the uprights. I woke up in the middle of the night as a CH53 helicopter hovered above.
I have never really gotten over that loss.
Time for Payback this Saturday !! Kill the Eagles !!
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It truly does seem that things went downhill from this day. Sad for such a proud program.
 
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