What a disgrace
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What are you doing about it other than complaining on a football message board of all places. Stand up and make change happen or consider yourself a hypocrite. I am going to guess this is as far as your "outrage" goes.
Bodizephax
I've posted how many times?
^ well, letting people know is a voice, no matter where that voice is heard. I was not aware of that bit of information.
The question I ask, is if it is federally mandated, could ND violate that mandate, at what consequences?
The question I ask, is if it is federally mandated, could ND violate that mandate, at what consequences?
This is what we have been speaking out against and praying for the last year - this is not ND doing, it's the Obama administration using private organizations $$$ to fund its agenda
Please consider to pray the rosary every day to end abortion. The rosary is magical and if every catholic prayed it once per day we could move a mountain
Love thy enemy too.
For those not in the know. ND has had a lawsuit against the Federal Government since 2012 / 2013 over the birth control mandate. And the story above, does not in any way, give the full story as to what is going on.
One only has to look at all the Jesuit institutions of higher learning ,they are not only not nominally Catholic but actively promoting anti-Catholic doctrines. When I returned from Vietnam and was looking at all my options for a Catholic College even then the pickings were few. The Land o Lakes conference in 1967 was the beginning of the end of serious Catholic education.
Agreed, heaven forbid that government should actually help people. It is much better to get out the rosary and pray that God just takes care of everyone. He's done a bang up job so far.
Let's be honest, you can love Notre Dame for various reasons but don't pretend it's a real Catholic Institution . It's no more Catholic then the current Pontiff.
Funny how certain people are so certain of who is or is not a "True Catholic." When I was a lad attending Catholic schools (I attended Catholic grade school, Catholic High School and the University of Notre Dame), we were taught the the Pope was infallible. And the Church being essentially a bastion of conservative thinking, the flock took that infallibility to heart. Now that the new Pope is a little more liberal than his predecessor, i.e., he is not as dogmatically rigorous, he is not very Catholic. I submit that you are the person who only adheres to Catholic theology when it suits your personal beliefs and purposes.
Actually that is not true. I accept the teachings of the Church from the Apostolic period to Vatican11. What I don't accept is Leftism masquerading as Catholicism,which you seem to agree with. Thats OK , but don't pretend it 's Catholic teaching.
Who the hell are you to declare what is or is not "Catholicism"? It seems to me that the Pope is a hell of a lot more qualified than you are to decide what is or is not Catholic dogma. Or more to the point, when the teaching and dogma of the Catholic Church does not mirror your political conservatism, you unilaterally determine that the Church is "Leftism masquerading as Catholicism." I think that you are a sanctimonious hypocrite who has appointed yourself judge and jury for what a "True Catholic" is.
Benito: You can't pick and choose which teachings of the Church to follow. You either follow the lead of the Pope or choose another Christian denomination. If you are going to be a blind follower of a decaying religion, you need to be a blind follower all the way.
It's amusing that so many people I knew told me that I had to follow what the U.S. bishops preached and taught on every issue when it "favored" a conservative viewpoint, yet when a Church leader (or, I suppose I should say, THE Church leader) says something that may not be a conservative viewpoint, then we can pick and choose.
Good to see that you're also a "cafeteria Catholic."
The teaching of the Catholic Church is that the Pope is infallible on theological doctrine, not corporal or civil or world matters. He can declare priests can marry and women can give the Sacraments and divorced individuals can remarry in the eyes of the Church, and developed countries are responsible for Global Warming, etc.. and none of this would fall within his so called area of infallibility. Fairly conservative myself, but think this Pope is a great ambassador for the Catholic Church, whether or not I agree with his positions.
Keep your pants on Nancy boys ! I am not the repository of all that is Catholic,but I know a lot more about theology then you folks(as your hero Obama would say). Fr. Jenkins,is in the words of Ralph Mc Innerney, the former Dean of the Medevil Studies(RIP )at ND said ," Lord Acton would blush at his ignorance". If you 'folks love nothingness just admit it'.Don't pretend you are Christian.
Are you the determinator of who is Catholic?Then yes I am not Catholic, but you are a small man.
Here is the pot calling the kettle black. You have shown yourself, as Ewing very accurately points out, to be a cafeteria Catholic. Rather than conducting some inner reflection of why you are perceived that way by multiple people, you lash out and criticize others. How very very Christian of you.
I once remember someone saying the following: "Let's be honest, you can love Notre Dame for various reasons but don't pretend it's a real Catholic Institution . It's no more Catholic then the current Pontiff."
Amusingly, that same person then started criticizing others for supposedly determining who and who is not Catholic.
Bene it's ok!
A guy dies and is met at the Gates of Heaven by An angel.
The angel is there to give him a tour.
1st door "this door leads to the room where we have the Jews"
2nd door "this door is where we have the Methodists"
3rd door "Presbyterians"
as they pas the 4th door the angel Whispers, "this room is for Catholics"
the guy asks the Angel why he whispered
the Angel says, "cause they think their the only ones here"
A guy dies and is met at the Gates of Heaven by An angel.
The angel is there to give him a tour.
1st door "this door leads to the room where we have the Jews"
2nd door "this door is where we have the Methodists"
3rd door "Presbyterians"
as they pas the 4th door the angel Whispers, "this room is for Catholics"
the guy asks the Angel why he whispered
the Angel says, "cause they think their the only ones here"
I don't really care what any of you think or believe. I have a hard enough time running my own life, BUT, don't insult me by calling my belief system decaying and me a blind follower. Just the fact that you have that principle as part of your make up without knowing for sure also makes you a blind follower of your own beliefs. Everyone is a blind follower of something. I call it Faith. You rather go the insult routine and give it a negative spin. You're not the first and you won't be the last. Mathew 10:33.
Jack: I apologize if you think I was questioning your faith, I wasn't. People can believe whatever they want and that is deeply personal. I certainly believe that the christian mythology is kind of silly and not really much different than other failed mythologies (Roman, Greek, etc.). More damage than good has been done in the name of religion. I honestly believe that we would all be better of if there was no religion and we just accepted the fact that we are responsible for our own actions and that we don't need to kowtow to some mysterious father figure. I love the definition of prayer that a friend shared with me: Prayer - "I know what you want; I just want to hear you beg."
The Pharisees were a conservative sect who thought Jesus was a heretic because he said things that didn't accord with their conservative/traditional views. Of course they were self-appointed arbiters of who was a "real" Jew, and it was this sanctimony that was the target of Jesus' criticism. The Pharisees would feel right at home among these right-wingers.
Bodizephax
I've posted how many times?
Right wingers. More labels. More insults. More disrespect. Jesus had a problem with the power and money of the Pharisees, not their law. Same would hold true today. The wars in the name of religion are all caused by man.. It's called free will. Free will in America has caused a decline in morality and spirituality but that's the price of free will. Man has caused all the problems. Not religion. All religions of any substance believe in peace and love. It's man who twists the intent. I am humbled every day by my Faith. That's my personal choice and how I choose to use my free will. Others see it different and that is their choice. I have a hard enough time trying to figure out my own faith and how I fit in so I am the last one on Earth to rule judge and jury over someone else's belief system. Of course, violent sects of all kind are a separate issue.
Wrong. They judged others, including Christ whom they saw as a radical/revolutionary. He disdained their self-righteousness and their rigid views of Judaism. Check out the Gospel of Matthew, especially Matthew 22.
With all due respect, that's your personal view, and it has everything to do with your views of politics and religion. Not everyone sees it unequivocally wrong.
Bodizephax
I've posted how many times?
Isn't this thread supposed to be about abortion? It seems people would rather state what side of the political or religious spectrum they are on then debate real issues.
Yea that government you speak of really helped Kate Steinle two weeks ago. You couldn't be any dumber. Playing the PC game cost a gorgeous 32-year old her life in the most liberal city in the US. You liberals are something else. Unwilling to ever admit you're wrong.
