We get what we pay for.....$$$$$

[88ND]

As the old saying goes, we get what we pay for.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

Before someone says that's not what he makes. This is based on his 2015 tax return. So if he makes more significant monies he probably should file that huh.
What the hell are we doing? How can we possibly expect to achieve great things when we're paying a coach middle of the pack out of 121 schools????

When we decide to get serious and open the check book....such is life at ND.

 

[impossibilityofreason1]

Unbelievable. The coach at SMU makes more than Kelly. Not that Kelly has earned top 10 money but ND is cheap. It's all a lie, we aren't committed to big boy football.

 

[NDIRISH53]

Lol. Where does all the money go?

 

[impossibilityofreason1]

Perhaps to pay Weis off. Stadium renovations. Into the University money hoard. I bet the sellout streak ends next year.

 

[88ND]

Hey until they get serious and realize people aren't kicking the door down to want to coach here, thus is life in south bend.

Word needs to get out they are stepping up to the plate. It won't take long for word to spread ND is looking for elite coaching and is willing to set the new bar in coach pay.

The theme should be about writing new history not living on old history.

Once we win again and become elite then we can connect the dots with present day success to days of yore. Then elite coaches will all spring up if ND comes calling.

Until the above happens we will continue to get what we pay for.

 

[theskibro]

As the old saying goes, we get what we pay for.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

Before someone says that's not what he makes. This is based on his 2015 tax return. So if he makes more significant monies he probably should file that huh.
What the hell are we doing? How can we possibly expect to achieve great things when we're paying a coach middle of the pack out of 121 schools????

When we decide to get serious and open the check book....such is life at ND.

Would everyone feel better if Kelly made a top salary?

Didn't think so.

Money does not make the man. The man makes the money - at least that's how it should be. Earn it

 

[88ND]

Would everyone feel better if Kelly made a top salary?

Didn't think so.

Money does not make the man. The man makes the money - at least that's how it should be. Earn it

WTF are you talking about?

The point is that what the hell are we even expecting.

It's rught there in black and white.

If you were to think where should his salary fall in the world of NCAA head coaches....if you're honest with yourself he's right where he should be.

Certainly one thing the admin in south bend got spot on. Salary for the head football coach in relation to job performance.

They nailed that number for sure.

 

[hvillebill]

WTF are you talking about?

The point is that what the hell are we even expecting.

It's rught there in black and white.

If you were to think where should his salary fall in the world of NCAA head coaches....if you're honest with yourself he's right where he should be.

Certainly one thing the admin in south bend got spot on. Salary for the head football coach in relation to job performance.

They nailed that number for sure.

So who are we going to get for $10 million per? They're not lining up to coach at ND.

I'm all for change for the better, but please be realistic.

 

[thehellyousay]

that's not his total compensation - notice how the bonus fields are all blank? his total compensation is north of 4 mil...

and let's not forget that ND hasn't hired a coach since 2009... I don't think ponying up for a new coach would be a problem... look at what they paid Weis...

 

[88ND]

that's not his total compensation - notice how the bonus fields are all blank? his total compensation is north of 4 mil...

and let's not forget that ND hasn't hired a coach since 2009... I don't think ponying up for a new coach would be a problem... look at what they paid Weis...

Notice how the total pay is filled in....that is based off his 2015 tax return. Perhaps you should call him and tell him to file the other 2.5 million he's getting somewhere.

 

[tbonesays]

Unbelievable. The coach at SMU makes more than Kelly. Not that Kelly has earned top 10 money but ND is cheap. It's all a lie, we aren't committed to big boy football.

The ponies have cut other expenses since they were last good in the 80s.

 

[88ND]

So who are we going to get for $10 million per? They're not lining up to coach at ND.

I'm all for change for the better, but please be realistic.

I beg to differ. If word gets out Notre Dame is getting serious and willing to pay accordingly...we'll get plenty of interest.

Nostalgia only goes so far since its been 29 years....cough cough...

Money talks. Pure and simple.

 

[hvillebill]

I beg to differ. If word gets out Notre Dame is getting serious and willing to pay accordingly...we'll get plenty of interest.

Nostalgia only goes so far since its been 29 years....cough cough...

Money talks. Pure and simple.

You still didn't answer my question.

Who do you think is coming? Be realistic.

 

[TOMMY_23]

Unbelievable. The coach at SMU makes more than Kelly. Not that Kelly has earned top 10 money but ND is cheap. It's all a lie, we aren't committed to big boy football.

I’ve been saying it for a while. Jack is a liar. The reason he won’t say we are just here to graduate and do as well as possible (8-4), is $$$. He must believe the fan base will dry up if ND vocally puts it out there that they’re Duke now.

 

[NotreDame du Lac]

This is old news, but still funny how we want the best and won't pay. Not that it's working for Michigan, but it makes me wonder why BK stays. He could dominate at a PAC or B12, etc and get more $ and not have to live in Indiana or deal with unrealistic expectations of frumpy dump fans. Insane? Only if he comes back next year. I say no way. He'd win big elsewhere and when he does we'll all make excuses for why we wanted him fired as we go through 2 decades of failed coaching trials and never reach BKs record. Then we'll talk about the good ole days when BK was here like we drool over Holtz, but forget he was run out by the same moron fans who'd take a pitchfork after Nick Saban for the Auburn loss. Funny, you never know what you have until it's gone. You think 9-3 sucks? Wait until we hire another moron to join the ranks of worse than Kelly, which is all since Holtz sans BK.

 

[88ND]

This is old news, but still funny how we want the best and won't pay. Not that it's working for Michigan, but it makes me wonder why BK stays. He could dominate at a PAC or B12, etc and get more $ and not have to live in Indiana or deal with unrealistic expectations of frumpy dump fans. Insane? Only if he comes back next year. I say no way. He'd win big elsewhere and when he does we'll all make excuses for why we wanted him fired as we go through 2 decades of failed coaching trials and never reach BKs record. Then we'll talk about the good ole days when BK was here like we drool over Holtz, but forget he was run out by the same moron fans who'd take a pitchfork after Nick Saban for the Auburn loss. Funny, you never know what you have until it's gone. You think 9-3 sucks? Wait until we hire another moron to join the ranks of worse than Kelly, which is all since Holtz sans BK.

He'd win big elsewhere?

In what fantasy world?

He's yet to win anything of substance to date....pre Notre Dame/present Notre Dame

But somehow you think he'd win big elsewhere. ???

You used the "I" word alright. It certainly does apply to your he'd win big elsewhere statement.

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[HRC08]

You still didn't answer my question.

Who do you think is coming? Be realistic.

Kelly is a good administrator... getting him a few more top notch assistants would be a start. Alabama pays their S&C more then ND pays most of their assistants. Bama has dozens of “advisors” and gurus... they make a huge profit and spend a lot of that money rewarding the program that makes them that profit. ND asks... “can we save a little and hire Tommy Rees as the QB coach?” You can bet your ass Bama’s not hiring anybody to learn on the job.

Spend the profits that your fans and alums give you, ffs!

Notre Dame should be the Yankeas of football. The Real Madrid of football. Just drown the opposition in cash and the top notch assistants will come. People still want to believe in ththe mystique of Notre Dame. But they aren’t going to do that when the Sec is passing out millions to assisant coaches.

 

[HRC08]

You still didn't answer my question.

Who do you think is coming? Be realistic.

That’s not the entire point. Even Kelly looked lost with his team lastnight. I mean... who’s coaching these guys except for the Head Coach. That matters. He can’t coach all 85 players.

 

[88ND]

You still didn't answer my question.

Who do you think is coming? Be realistic.

I have no answer off the cuff....I'm not getting paid a large sum of money to prospect, interview, etc.

I want to point something out.

Everyone wants to say who then, who wiuod you get....then when people chime in they'll say he's not ready for the big stage of ND.

Well let me tell ya.....by that measure BK was absolutely no where near ready for this stage.

The problem is he STILL looks in over his head!!

 

[HRC08]

This topic pisses me off... let’s say Kelly does make $4.5m a year. So what? Texas A&M and UCLA just shelled out more then that for a head coach and I assure you that Kelly and Jimbo will get several million more for assistants.

I like Mike Elston as much as anybody else but other than Stephon Tuitt... does he have another guy that he’s coached starting in the NFL? 100 games at ND and not much to show for it.

Tommy Reed is a nice guy but... Qb coach at a Blue Blood? After coaching... well assisting coaches for 3 years? Notre Dame Quarterback... a position that once was known by every football in America now being coached by a guy who was a grad assistant 3 years ago.

Denson: seven years experience and that’s counting time as a HS and Historic African American University. He also has stops at Miami... of Ohio and South Florida. He’s a ND legend, I gert that but where’s the time spent at a legit power house before getting a shot Notre Dame? 11 national titles, 7 Heisman, NBC television contract, movies and books and a guy that’s coached 7 years? Cough, cough.

Todd Lyght: again no experience and ND doesn’t even have to pay for DB coach since an alum has ponied up the money to cover the salary of the DB coach. I know I’ll take some heat for adding Lyght and Denson here but oh well.

All of these coaches are coaching positions or groups that have struggled during their time at ND. Denson to a lesser degree but still... our backs look worse now they did earlier in the year.

Alabama’s LINEBACKER coach makes $950,000 per year. Their offensive and defensive coordinators make $1.2 and $1.3 million. They spend $18,000,000.00 on 10 coaches. 10. And they spend millions more on the dozen and more Advisors and Interns. They will spend it ALL of it means winning a title.

 

[57Patrick]

I don't believe Notre Dame pays its coach less than Memphis and other schools of the like. Private schools can be a tricky situation when attempting to ascertain someone's income. The school doesn't report it and to my knowledge, no one has the right to know what someone files on their income tax. I wouldn't hang my hat on this information as being accurate with private schools outside of PA. which apparently has a way to get the info. I have always heard, but haven't confirmed and wouldn't know how to, that ND pays north of $4mm to its head football coach. That sounds about right given what other schools pay. Look at what Cincy is paying their coach. There's no way Kelly leaves Cincy to take the ND job for the same or less money.

 

[88ND]

I don't believe Notre Dame pays its coach less than Memphis and other schools of the like. Private schools can be a tricky situation when attempting to ascertain someone's income. The school doesn't report it and to my knowledge, no one has the right to know what someone files on their income tax. I wouldn't hang my hat on this information as being accurate with private schools outside of PA. which apparently has a way to get the info. I have always heard, but haven't confirmed and wouldn't know how to, that ND pays north of $4mm to its head football coach. That sounds about right given what other schools pay. Look at what Cincy is paying their coach. There's no way Kelly leaves Cincy to take the ND job for the same or less money.

The story was based on 2015 tax return. I echo again if he's hiding 2.5 million somewhere you might want to tell him the irs will be knocking.

 

[88ND]

And I quote....

Brian Kelly
2017 Total Pay: $1,645,867
2017 INCOME NOTES
The pay information listed came from federal tax returns. Documents provide compensation for 2015 calendar year based all income paid by the school or support organization, including benefits, perks and performance bonuses.

 

[thehellyousay]

Notice how the total pay is filled in....that is based off his 2015 tax return. Perhaps you should call him and tell him to file the other 2.5 million he's getting somewhere.

that's based on ND's tax files - they're only required to file base salary...

 

[88ND]

that's based on ND's tax files - they're only required to file base salary...

So the other 2.5 million you claim he makes is not filed?


Ooooook

I want that accountant for my business.

 

[theskibro]

WTF are you talking about?

The point is that what the hell are we even expecting.

It's rught there in black and white.

If you were to think where should his salary fall in the world of NCAA head coaches....if you're honest with yourself he's right where he should be.

Certainly one thing the admin in south bend got spot on. Salary for the head football coach in relation to job performance.

They nailed that number for sure.

if you think money is the answer, you are wrong. Kelly sucks as much at 4 ill as he would at 8 mill.

If you are saying we need to pay more to attract a top coach, that may be true, but it should be incentive based. And it may also not be true.

There are a handful of coaches worth big money. We paid huge money to Weis.

I want a no nonsense guy who kicks ass, motivates, and knows the game and innovates and game plans.

I don't want a coach who is buddies with the team Saban and Myer have the right mix of respect and approachability. Its not easy to find.

 

[88ND]

if you think money is the answer, you are wrong. Kelly sucks as much at 4 ill as he would at 8 mill.

If you are saying we need to pay more to attract a top coach, that may be true, but it should be incentive based. And it may also not be true.

There are a handful of coaches worth big money. We paid huge money to Weis.

I want a no nonsense guy who kicks ass, motivates, and knows the game and innovates and game plans.

I don't want a coach who is buddies with the team Saban and Myer have the right mix of respect and approachability. Its not easy to find.

Yep...

Guess what...

You aren't going to get that hard to find coach as you say unless we open the vault.

It's that simple.

If the BOT thinks this is still the holy grail of coaching stops then they ****ing deserve BK.

It needs reinvented. New history written to tie into the old history.

That wont happen paying pennies on the dollar.

 

[88ND]

Yep...

Guess what...

You aren't going to get that hard to find coach as you say unless we open the vault.

It's that simple.

If the BOT thinks this is still the holy grail of coaching stops then they ****ing deserve BK.

It needs reinvented. New history written to tie into the old history.

That wont happen paying pennies on the dollar.

Moreover@ski

WTF do you care how much money we waste. Seriously. I don't give a shit what they paid CW.
I don't care what BK buyout is.

Results cost money. If they messed up...ok..
Dismiss and move on.

You're either growing or dying in business.

 

[hvillebill]

I have no answer off the cuff....I'm not getting paid a large sum of money to prospect, interview, etc.

I want to point something out.

Everyone wants to say who then, who wiuod you get....then when people chime in they'll say he's not ready for the big stage of ND.

Well let me tell ya.....by that measure BK was absolutely no where near ready for this stage.

The problem is he STILL looks in over his head!!

My point is this: for someone worth that kind of money, we're up against another program that is willing to pony up whatever to keep that guy.

 

[echowaker]

As the old saying goes, we get what we pay for.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/

Before someone says that's not what he makes. This is based on his 2015 tax return. So if he makes more significant monies he probably should file that huh.
What the hell are we doing? How can we possibly expect to achieve great things when we're paying a coach middle of the pack out of 121 schools????

When we decide to get serious and open the check book....such is life at ND.

ANYONE who think its a money issue is terribly uninformed and ridiculously naive.

 

[justified1]

Money always matters. Opinion to the contrary is naive.

 

[thehellyousay]

So the other 2.5 million you claim he makes is not filed?


Ooooook

I want that accountant for my business.

that's not Brian Kelly's tax return info - that's what ND, as a private institution, was obliged to divulge, which is only the base salary...

it's creative accounting - to wit;

Seventh-year Notre Dame head coach Brian Kelly is listed 65th among coaches ranked, at a salary of $1.625 million. That number is far from what Kelly actually makes — especially considering how he trails several young coaches at Group of Five schools like Bob Diaco at Connecticut ($1.7M), Scott Frost at Central Florida ($1.704M) and Mike Norvell at Memphis ($1.8M).

The numbers in Kelly’s contract are manipulated, because as a private school, Notre Dame does not want a paper trail that shows a football coach among the highest paid employees.

As in past years, Notre Dame's federal tax return notes that Kelly is permitted to receive compensation from sources outside the university "with prior written approval from the university" and that any such income is not reported on the return.

When Charlie Weis was fired after the 2009 season, he told the South Bend Tribune that a significant amount of his compensation came through adidas, and another large portion from Notre Dame Sports Properties, for his radio and TV shows. It is very likely that Kelly’s deal with Notre Dame includes similar clauses.

 

[echowaker]

Money always matters. Opinion to the contrary is naive.

Money is NOT an obstacle for Notre Dame when choosing a head football coach.

 

[thehellyousay]

Money is NOT an obstacle for Notre Dame when choosing a head football coach.

that's obvious, except to a few pit bulls whom are trying to cram "cheap" into their narrative...

people kill me - Charlie Weis' base salary was like 650K, yet ND somehow had to pay him an 18-20 million buyout...

makes sense to me - why WOULDN'T you work for 30 years to make 18 million, when you could fail, get fired, and make 18 million sitting on your ass for 6 years?

 

[Aug]

the biggest waste of money is invested in Kelly, ND will never have the chance of a national championship, with Kelly as Head Coach.

 

[echowaker]

the biggest waste of money is invested in Kelly, ND will never have the chance of a national championship, with Kelly as Head Coach.

how so ? are you privy to the books ? is the football program losing money ? until the powers that be are dissatisfied with the person holding the head coaching position nothing will change. period.

 

[TOMMY_23]

This is old news, but still funny how we want the best and won't pay. Not that it's working for Michigan, but it makes me wonder why BK stays. He could dominate at a PAC or B12, etc and get more $ and not have to live in Indiana or deal with unrealistic expectations of frumpy dump fans. Insane? Only if he comes back next year. I say no way. He'd win big elsewhere and when he does we'll all make excuses for why we wanted him fired as we go through 2 decades of failed coaching trials and never reach BKs record. Then we'll talk about the good ole days when BK was here like we drool over Holtz, but forget he was run out by the same moron fans who'd take a pitchfork after Nick Saban for the Auburn loss. Funny, you never know what you have until it's gone. You think 9-3 sucks? Wait until we hire another moron to join the ranks of worse than Kelly, which is all since Holtz sans BK.

Is it unrealistic to win a big road game every so often?

Is it really unrealistic to put an end to the 24-year major bowl drought?

 

[88ND]

that's not Brian Kelly's tax return info - that's what ND, as a private institution, was obliged to divulge, which is only the base salary...

it's creative accounting - to wit;

Seventh-year Notre Dame head coach Brian Kelly is listed 65th among coaches ranked, at a salary of $1.625 million. That number is far from what Kelly actually makes — especially considering how he trails several young coaches at Group of Five schools like Bob Diaco at Connecticut ($1.7M), Scott Frost at Central Florida ($1.704M) and Mike Norvell at Memphis ($1.8M).

The numbers in Kelly’s contract are manipulated, because as a private school, Notre Dame does not want a paper trail that shows a football coach among the highest paid employees.

As in past years, Notre Dame's federal tax return notes that Kelly is permitted to receive compensation from sources outside the university "with prior written approval from the university" and that any such income is not reported on the return.

When Charlie Weis was fired after the 2009 season, he told the South Bend Tribune that a significant amount of his compensation came through adidas, and another large portion from Notre Dame Sports Properties, for his radio and TV shows. It is very likely that Kelly’s deal with Notre Dame includes similar clauses.

Until I see otherwise he makes 1 and 5/8 million.

But regardless....the point is this is....
1.6 or 4

We get what we pay for and until we open the vault will continue to do so. If Notre Dame is serious about winning.....especially with stringent things in place then they will have to go above and beyond to get someone that can be succuessful shopoing from that god damn different aisle.

You can have the cake, party, and eat it too but it will cost. Set the bar of coaching salaries.

They can certainly afford it.

NBC contract they don't share....the sheer apparel sales worldwide. The brand, etc. As a business just in football they make insane money.

They actually CAN afford to make a bad contract and buyout.

 

[thehellyousay]

Until I see otherwise he makes 1 and 5/8 million.

okay then...

 

[echowaker]

Until I see otherwise he makes 1 and 5/8 million.

But regardless....the point is this is....
1.6 or 4

We get what we pay for and until we open the vault will continue to do so. If Notre Dame is serious about winning.....especially with stringent things in place then they will have to go above and beyond to get someone that can be succuessful shopoing from that god damn different aisle.

You can have the cake, party, and eat it too but it will cost. Set the bar of coaching salaries.

They can certainly afford it.

NBC contract they don't share....the sheer apparel sales worldwide. The brand, etc. As a business just in football they make insane money.

They actually CAN afford to make a bad contract and buyout.

utter nonsense. money is not an issue.