Was John MCcain Drunk Today?
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Always great to hear from Reality Winner's Dad.
#MAGA
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Spot on - have a former college roommate who is a heavy hitter on Wall Street and a hardcore life long Republican. He was a single wealthy NY titan who used to cross paths w Trumputin at many high tootin functions and restaurants / bars. Says the exact same thing you say and also says Trump is and was absolutely a pussy grabber both while he was married and not married. He personally knew some of the women Trump tried to force himself on. A complete douche bag. What a role model for the kids in our country. A lying weasel - who took advantage of our tax system - and bilked our country out of millions - no different than the scrubs who take advantage of food stamps, etc. Who take advantage of the system -
Or how about Kushner milking the system to build his R.E high rises - how is that any different than people who take advantage of food stamps or other govt programs ?
Bring on Pence and let's move on.
I don't think anyone who voted for Trump thought they were voting for a "saint".
Quite the opposite. We needed someone besides a career politician to make hard choices and act in the best interest of the country - period. No sugar coating, no PC bullshit and certainly no apologies.
What he was like as a person is unimportant. I don't care that Trump is a douche bag in the board room.... I care that he's trying to protect his country like no one else will.
That's kind of all BS. The whole real estate development world works that way, and the Trump organization doesn't take advantage of the system any more or less than any other developer does. Without tax incentives you wouldn't have half the development you have in this country because nobody would take the inherent risks. You would have less jobs, a smaller economy, less growth, and on and on. As I said earlier, I personally think the guy is a 100% total dickhead, but this line of criticism is just ignorant of reality.
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Why doesn't he reveal his taxes ? Not all RE transaction work the way Trump has cheated the system. Or, he would reveal his taxes. Your acceptance of Trump is ignorant.
The left has selective hearing
Comey leaking papers that were done on a government computer makes it government property he should be prosecuted
President Trump didn't cheat the system he worked with the system that has always been in play and has the lawyers who can work the system like all millionaire and billionaires do
Don't hate the man hate the system
If he simply worked the system like you say all millionaire and billionaires do - and it is considered normal practice - answer my question -
Why does he not disclose his taxes ?
And when scrubs "work the system" on food stamps and other gov't programs - it's ok then also - just like it is for millionaires and billionaires to "work the system" to cheat America out of millions and billions of dollars - all things that add debt to our country for which our children and grand children will have to deal with at some point in time.
Why does he not disclose his taxes ?
Blessing,
You state that " Trump has cheated the system ”. I don't know how you can state that as fact ?
I think that one thing that we can both agree on is that Trump has created a vast real estate " Empire "
and in so doing he certainly hired a large number of both tax attorneys and accountants to fill out and then
Submit his taxes to the IRS. If the IRS has a problem then they should audit his tax returns. That is the job of the IRS, not your job or mine or the Democrats' or the news medias' jobs.
Do you really think that you, I, or the general public could even begin to understand President Trump,s
Tax returns?
Could we even begin to imagine the partisan debate on every item in such a tax return ?
The Romans were given " Bread and Circuses " , we are now given endless committees, demonstrations,
Special Counselors, Russian Strawmen, and partisan and false leaks, etc.
My preference would be to end the Committees as quickly as possible, and then having both parties
Get together to work on solving American's problems ?
You state that " Trump has cheated the system ”. I don't know how you can state that as fact ?
I think that one thing that we can both agree on is that Trump has created a vast real estate " Empire "
and in so doing he certainly hired a large number of both tax attorneys and accountants to fill out and then
Submit his taxes to the IRS. If the IRS has a problem then they should audit his tax returns. That is the job of the IRS, not your job or mine or the Democrats' or the news medias' jobs.
Do you really think that you, I, or the general public could even begin to understand President Trump,s
Tax returns?
Could we even begin to imagine the partisan debate on every item in such a tax return ?
The Romans were given " Bread and Circuses " , we are now given endless committees, demonstrations,
Special Counselors, Russian Strawmen, and partisan and false leaks, etc.
My preference would be to end the Committees as quickly as possible, and then having both parties
Get together to work on solving American's problems ?
Yeah, 33 years in commercial real estate finance makes me ignorant of how the whole commercial development business works. OK. Believe what you want to believe.
DIP said "worked with the system", which has a neutral connotation. You switched it to "worked the system" which has a negative connotation. Why did you change it?
Exactly. He's a douche bag. He has a bloated ego. He's a dickhead.
But maybe, just maybe, a dickhead is just what this country needs.
What the IRS would be concerned about would be different than what the general public should be concerned about with respect to his taxes.
I heard plenty about how the Clintons would be enriching themselves off the presidency. I'm confused as to why that concern doesn't run to the current president.
Those committed to resist will never be anywhere close to objective on anything remotely connected to Trump. He was elected with full knowledge that he was not going to release his tax returns, and with a damn clear understanding that he is terribly flawed in what he says and how he conducts himself. I don't like the guy. He strikes me as narcissistic and a bully; but I accept he is our elected President and I give him the respect the office deserves. Respectfully disagreeing on policy is one thing, being emotionwlly unhinged and obsessed with dreams of impeachment is quite another. I think the Dems will eventually pay a high price for embracing and playing to the later, but time will tell.
NDE,
Could you please explain what you think the general public is concerned with .about Trump's past tax returns before he became President ?
As part of the general public, I know that Trump, as any business man would do, hired the best people he could to take full advantage of our tax laws ! That does not concern me one bit.
Apparently you have some concerns that I do not have on that topic ?
As far as the Clintons go, I also have no concerns about their tax returns either, unless they did something
Illegal ? I have no evidence of any illegalities on their part Either !
Now if you are talking about " Sec. Clinton selling her office for foreign donations to the " clinton
Foundation " , that is a completely different topic ?
James Comey opened up a can of worms in his statement on Loretta Lynch and the Clinton
Email " matter " ?
Could you please explain what you think the general public is concerned with .about Trump's past tax returns before he became President ?
As part of the general public, I know that Trump, as any business man would do, hired the best people he could to take full advantage of our tax laws ! That does not concern me one bit.
Apparently you have some concerns that I do not have on that topic ?
As far as the Clintons go, I also have no concerns about their tax returns either, unless they did something
Illegal ? I have no evidence of any illegalities on their part Either !
Now if you are talking about " Sec. Clinton selling her office for foreign donations to the " clinton
Foundation " , that is a completely different topic ?
James Comey opened up a can of worms in his statement on Loretta Lynch and the Clinton
Email " matter " ?
If our President is pushing for tax reform, I'd like to know whether the reform he's supporting is going to benefit him greatly as an individual or if he's actually doing something for the good of the country.
You make a good point but that will be a determination that the Congress will have to make when they
Debate the law before passing it.
It would seem very probable that any part of any tax law passed that benefits business men in any way
Would certainly benefit Trump's businesses as well ?
I think the bigger question for Congress should be is just how beneficial the Tax plan will be for the country as a whole ? Trump can propose the law, but only congress can pass it.
The law can't get passed without the President signing off on it.
I don't trust Congress to make any sort of determination regarding whether it benefits the President or not. Frankly, I think most members of Congress are in the pockets of people with money.
Did notice it like you - here you go again - for further clarity for you to fully understand.
Pretty simple - whether he worked the system or worked with the system - he is no different than the scrubs in America who work the system or work with the system on food stamps and other govt programs.
Like I said - in both cases they milk millions and billions of dollars from our country - "working the system" or "working with the system" adding to our countries debt - that our kids and grandkids will have to deal with at some point in time.
On your first point, why? Do we expect someone to pay more in taxes than the US taxation rules and regulations system calls for? I mean, you either paid your taxes within the rules, or you didn't. That's an IRS question. If the public doesn't like the taxation system in place, then that's a totally different question. And someone like Trump gets audited every year, so cheating on taxes is fraught with risk.
On your second point, is anyone concerned about Trump profiteering off the presidency? He more likely stands to lose net worth in the next four years than gain net worth. If it was about money he could have just stayed in his business and done better.
IMHO, given the current climate, especially as it applies to the generally unfriendly media, Trump is doing the smart thing, even if it is a current public relations problem. Like most large real estate investors/developers, his tax returns are going to be extremely complicated. What the media will do is take a thousand or more page Big 5 prepared tax return, and will just look at three numbers; AGI, taxes paid (IN DOLLARS), and the percentage. The details, and the hundreds of tax rules and regs involved will not matter, it's too complicated. If Trump is like most large real estate investors/developers that percentage number will be relatively low, and the media will have a field day with that. And a populace, in which 98% of the people won't understand it, or take any time trying to understand it, will eat it hook, line and sinker. You don't need a Harvard MBA to figure out how this will work. A large portion of the public can't read a simple graph and already buys into the silliness about rich people not paying their "fair" share in taxes. Can you imagine if in some year Trump had an AGI of $50 million and paid $4 million in taxes, for an 8% effective rate? That may be 100% legitimate and in keeping with the tax code, and the liberals in the country will still go ballistic. And the liberals in Washington, who know its legitimate and have at least a rudimentary understanding of why we have the tax code that we do, will sit on their hands with corks in their mouths and smirks on their faces and let their constituents go bonkers.
Nope, if I am Trump and I have no legal obligation to release my returns, I am not doing it. Nothing to be gained, and all sorts of "noise" to have to deal with if he does, taking away from the tasks at hand. There's already enough distracting noise.
I did not say you were ignorant of how commercial development works.
I said you are ignorant in your acceptance of Donald Trump.
I don't think you're that stupid. "Working the system" implies that you're getting something that you didn't earn, or has ethical or moral questions. Like collecting unemployment compensation and working under the table for Uncle Billy who pays you in cash out of the till. Or waiting until after 11:00p to plow the snow so you can get paid double time instead of your regular rate. "Working with the system" means you follow the rules in place, and take advantage of every thing allowed by the rules to your advantage. When I was a kid in school you learned in business courses that tax "evasion" was a crime, and tax "avoidance" was an obligation that every American had. You should pay as little tax as the rules will allow you to pay. That's "working with the system", a system put in place by other people.
I accepted Donald Trump when the country elected him President. I think he's an arrogant blow hard dickhead, who I am pretty confident I would not like personally, if I had to deal with him. But that makes him no less my President.
Or using a plan that includes bankruptcy as an option vs. working harder to pay back your creditors. That is unethical.
In our business bankruptcy touches you one way or another every time there's a market downturn. I have seen very justified use of the bankruptcy code, and some very questionable use of it. And lots in between.
And when America is subverting Israel's the elections?
By the way there's still no proof about Russia changing any veotes in this the election.
You do know Ted Kennedy once seeked Russia's help during an election to influence it.
That's ironic isn't it
CNN MSNBC Washington Post New York Times all have their hands dirty with the Clinton campaign. You see there is actual provable collusion here
It that ok?
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The libs just attribute that to the "greater good". Even the Sanders followers, who should be still kicking and screaming about it, have faded into the woodwork. And as you said, we know that happened and we know who was involved. The Russia thing is still all speculation.
Politics aside, pretty sure Ted Kennedy isn't influencing elections anymore.
No offense Poet, but I'm not much for jokes about assassinated US governmental leaders.
If you think this all ends with vice president Pence you either or not paying attention or a fool
Ted wasn't assassinated, but he was guilty of at least manslaughter.
Just another thing sweep under the rug.
Releasing his tax info is a campaign thing. It isn't going to happen. Get over it!
