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Was Jack Swarbrick low key fired?

Was Jack Swarbrick fired?

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  • No

    Votes: 25 78.1%
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    Votes: 3 9.4%

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I was merely getting an idea across and the specific numbers aren't really relevant.
Well, they are if they refute your idea.
The ND football program makes a shit-ton of money/profit and chooses to use that money to enrich the athletic department (and university) as a whole at the expense of the athletes who are actually producing the labor.
The numbers suggest otherwise.
I don't want to derail this topic with a back and forth debate on the athletic departments financials.
I can see why. To have a debate, you'd actually have to research your positions. And it would kind of go against the program if actually researching the athletic department's financials would show your positions to be false.
We can have that debate at another time in another topic if you so wish.
It's not really a debate, though, if you aren't willing to back up your side of the argument.

A standard propaganda tactic is to make your polemical statements as loudly as possible, then do everything you can to suppress fact checking. Looks like that's the train you don't want me to derail.
 
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You're lying. Clearly it isn't in earnest at all.

If you really believed that suicidal desires had anything to do sjb's reasons for responding as he does to your posts, you would be genuinely concerned, rather than putting the idea out there, pretending to be concerned about it, and then doing everything you can to attack his self-esteem so if he really does have suicidal thoughts he might act on them.

Under The Dome is where assholes come to be assholes anonymously, but I think most of us draw the line at attempting to persuade someone to commit suicide. Even when you do preserve plausible deniability by throwing gasoline in the hope that someone might have a match burning, and being able to say that you never lit a match. You need to check yourself.
The dude's been on this site for twenty years, with the same psychopathic act and it hasn't diminished with age one iota in all that time. He's been run off the board and roundly humiliated on numerous occasions, and yet keeps coming back for more with the exact same routine, that of being a deliberately cringeworthy, icily preening lickspittle for all things ND, in a way that is clearly not natural or sincere. And given what a strident loudmouth I typically am, he's decided that he can take certain liberties with me that have nothing to do with talking football or self-expression and everything to do with being a deliberately creepy weirdo. I think there's a couple other posters he gets his courage up enough to pester and snipe at in his exceedingly off-putting and creepy manner, but I'm definitely one of them.

The dude is like something out of a serial killer's story. So I was hoping to inspire him to never respond to me, given how I never address him. So I don't think I need to check myself. That legit psychopath is the one who needs to check himself, for the reasons I just enumerated. And then he doesn't have to worry about being spoken to like that.
 
Why because it’s in LA? You are so boringly transparent
I attend around 10 LA Dodger games a season. Easily the highest per game attendance in MLB. I wear the classic LA cap during the Summer quite a bit. "We Love LA..." is sung after every win.
 
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The dude's been on this site for twenty years, with the same psychopathic act and it hasn't diminished with age one iota in all that time. He's been run off the board and roundly humiliated on numerous occasions, and yet keeps coming back for more with the exact same routine, that of being a deliberately cringeworthy, icily preening lickspittle for all things ND, in a way that is clearly not natural or sincere. And given what a strident loudmouth I typically am, he's decided that he can take certain liberties with me that have nothing to do with talking football or self-expression and everything to do with being a deliberately creepy weirdo. I think there's a couple other posters he gets his courage up enough to pester and snipe at in his exceedingly off-putting and creepy manner, but I'm definitely one of them.

The dude is like something out of a serial killer's story. So I was hoping to inspire him to never respond to me, given how I never address him. So I don't think I need to check myself. That legit psychopath is the one who needs to check himself, for the reasons I just enumerated. And then he doesn't have to worry about being spoken to like that.
Well, thank you for explaining the backstory. I haven't seen much in sjb that I take issue with, beyond being a bit of a sunshine pumper in matters involving Brian Kelly. Maybe he has moderated his ways recently.

For me, strident loudmouth is fine. I've seen plenty of your strident loudmouthiness and haven't had a problem with it at all, beyond being a bit annoyed from time to time.

If your reason for your post was to get him to stop posting you, I appreciate your explanation and see that you were not really trying to get someone to shoot himself. So ok, you're not a homicidal mind-raper. But maybe acting like one for the mundane reason of getting someone to stop interacting with you isn't the best way to get that job done. There's an ignore button, after all. :)
 
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I was merely getting an idea across and the specific numbers aren't really relevant. The ND football program makes a shit-ton of money/profit and chooses to use that money to enrich the athletic department (and university) as a whole at the expense of the athletes who are actually producing the labor.

I don't want to derail this topic with a back and forth debate on the athletic departments financials. We can have that debate at another time in another topic if you so wish.
No, you are trying to distance yourself from your previous statements. Bob has taken you to the woodshed a couple times in the last 24 hrs, good for him
 
I was taken to the woodshed and obliterated. Ok got it.

Just want to steer this topic back on topic.

Thanks.
 
Well, thank you for explaining the backstory. I haven't seen much in sjb beyond being a bit of a sunshine pumper. Maybe he has moderated his ways recently.

For me, strident loudmouth is fine. I've seen plenty of your strident loudmouthiness and haven't had a problem with it at all, beyond being a bit annoyed from time to time.

If your reason for your post was to get him to stop posting you, I appreciate your explanation and see that you were not really trying to get someone to shoot himself. So ok, you're not a homicidal mind-raper. But maybe acting like one for the mundane reason of getting someone to stop interacting with you isn't the best way to get that job done. There's an ignore button, after all. :)
Yeah, I suppose not. But nothing else works. Because he is a bona fide psycho. Normal people do not carry on like that. There's plenty of sunshine pumpers on this board who, now that BK's gone, are perfectly happy to defend every action ND or the football program takes as some sort of masterstroke. This guy is not that. He's just some disturbed weirdo with a transparent persona of being ND's #1 cheerleader, unblinking and without the slightest trace of genuine feeling or regular human conversation in his posts. It's almost like he's a bot or something.
 
No, of course. You can take any generally regarded successful executive, and create a list of negative things that happened on their watch. I think Jack is regarded as a top five Athletic Director in the country, and possibly number one. He’s 69 yrs old; his last contract is up next year; he’s been the AD at ND for 15 yrs; and he’s a high energy high achiever type that probably needs one more new challenge before resting on his laurels. We were fortunate to have his stewardship during some incredibly disruptive changes to the college athletic landscape, and we’re fortunate to have the kind of transition that is planned. Looking forward to fresh eyes and fresh ideas that our new AD will bring to the job, and looking forward to the next mountain Jack plans to climb.
 
No, of course. You can take any generally regarded successful executive, and create a list of negative things that happened on their watch. I think Jack is regarded as a top five Athletic Director in the country, and possibly number one. He’s 69 yrs old; his last contract is up next year; he’s been the AD at ND for 15 yrs; and he’s a high energy high achiever type that probably needs one more new challenge before resting on his laurels. We were fortunate to have his stewardship during some incredibly disruptive changes to the college athletic landscape, and we’re fortunate to have the kind of transition that is planned. Looking forward to fresh eyes and fresh ideas that our new AD will bring to the job, and looking forward to the next mountain Jack plans to climb.
There is a mature adult in the room.
 
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Yeah, I suppose not. But nothing else works. Because he is a bona fide psycho. Normal people do not carry on like that. There's plenty of sunshine pumpers on this board who, now that BK's gone, are perfectly happy to defend every action ND or the football program takes as some sort of masterstroke. This guy is not that. He's just some disturbed weirdo with a transparent persona of being ND's #1 cheerleader, unblinking and without the slightest trace of genuine feeling or regular human conversation in his posts. It's almost like he's a bot or something.
Two words. Your choice: smug, pretentious, or both. No need for a paragraph to explain SJB.
 
I was taken to the woodshed and obliterated. Ok got it.
I wouldn't say that. After all, you could still back up your POV.
Just want to steer this topic back on topic.
You: Notre Dame uses football players like slave labor, making obscene profits and lining the pockets of corrupt administrators.

Me: Here are some numbers that suggest that that isn't true.

You: You're changing the subject. The subject is that Notre Dame uses football players like slave labor, making obscene profits and lining the pockets of corrupt administrators.

Me: Proving otherwise is changing the subject?

You: I'd rather not answer off-topic questions. The topic is that Notre Dame uses football players like slave labor, making obscene profits and lining the pockets of corrupt administrators. Can we steer things back in that direction, please?

Me: Even though what you're saying isn't true?

You: I'd be glad to debate the veracity of my assertion in another forum and at another time. But for now, I'd like to stick to the topic, please. The topic is that Notre Dame uses football players like slave labor, making obscene profits and lining the pockets of corrupt administrators.

Me: One definition of propaganda is to repeat lies over and over again until people start to believe they are true.

You: I really don't want to get into a debate about what propaganda definitions are. I'd rather stick to the topic. The topic is that Notre Dame uses football players like slave labor, making obscene profits and lining the pockets of corrupt administrators.
 
Chaseball,

Don’t those players come to ND voluntarily ?

Aren’t those players compensated by receiving a free education worth hundreds of thousands of dollars ?

How does that equate to them being deemed slaves ?
 
I wouldn't say that. After all, you could still back up your POV.

You: Notre Dame uses football players like slave labor, making obscene profits and lining the pockets of corrupt administrators.

Me: Here are some numbers that suggest that that isn't true.

You: You're changing the subject. The subject is that Notre Dame uses football players like slave labor, making obscene profits and lining the pockets of corrupt administrators.

Me: Proving otherwise is changing the subject?

You: I'd rather not answer off-topic questions. The topic is that Notre Dame uses football players like slave labor, making obscene profits and lining the pockets of corrupt administrators. Can we steer things back in that direction, please?

Me: Even though what you're saying isn't true?

You: I'd be glad to debate the veracity of my assertion in another forum and at another time. But for now, I'd like to stick to the topic, please. The topic is that Notre Dame uses football players like slave labor, making obscene profits and lining the pockets of corrupt administrators.

Me: One definition of propaganda is to repeat lies over and over again until people start to believe they are true.

You: I really don't want to get into a debate about what propaganda definitions are. I'd rather stick to the topic. The topic is that Notre Dame uses football players like slave labor, making obscene profits and lining the pockets of corrupt administrators.
THIS topic is about whether Jack Swarbrick was fired or not. And whether the BOT at ND are finally waking up to the mediocrity and are going to start making moves to bring championship football back to ND.

I went off topic by responding to another poster about the hypocrisy of ND having a $100+ M/year revenue generating cash cow (nobody actually knows precisely what those figures are, and you didn't provide any resources just said you looked something up). But it's silly to think that the **ND football program** isn't bringing in MASSIVE profit, and then on top of this extremely lucrative football business, have silly PR about college football being a student-first mission or whatever.

The hypocrisy of "hey we're a student first mission" while the ND football program is a billion-dollar business (off the backs of past and current athletes) and then hiring a NBC exec to run the athletic department to negotiate hundreds of millions of dollars in licensing, apparel, TV, etc. deals. This is an entirely different topic. And THIS is a topic I'd LOVE to get into a debate with you on but in a separate thread.
 
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THIS topic is about whether Jack Swarbrick was fired or not. And whether the BOT at ND are finally waking up to the mediocrity and are going to start making moves to bring championship football back to ND.

I went off topic by responding to another poster about the hypocrisy of ND having a $100+ M/year revenue generating cash cow (nobody actually knows precisely what those figures are, and you didn't provide any resources just said you looked something up). But it's silly to think that the **ND football program** isn't bringing in MASSIVE profit, and then on top have silly contradictive PR about moral superiority as it relates to money, students, and football players.

The hypocrisy of "hey we're a student first mission" while the ND football program is a billion-dollar business (off the backs of past and current athletes) and then hiring a NBC exec to run the athletic department to negotiate hundreds of millions of dollars in licensing, apparel, TV, etc. deals. This is an entirely different topic. And THIS is a topic I'd LOVE to get into a debate with you on but in a separate thread.
Would you identify the “corrupt administrators” you referred to.
 
Would you identify the “corrupt administrators” you referred to.
That was someone else's assertion of my argument. I never said there were corrupt administrators at ND or even alluded to it. The issue is systemic in college football and basketball. ND has profited off the systemic exploitation of (mostly) minority athletes for a VERY LONG TIME and need to progress past this non sense of *not* supporting athletes getting wealthy from their labor at ND.
 
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This is kind of like how CEOs of major corporations *only* make $50K/year in salary, and how they justify keeping the entire organization's wages low, but then those same CEOs are also compensated with multi-million dollar quarterly bonuses and hundreds of millions in stock options (and become prodiguously wealthy as the value of the business grows). It looks great perceptually that a corporation is *only* paying its CEO $50K/year or whatever, but it obviously doesn't tell the whole story.

This was my round about way of describing how modern wealthy businesses/corporations operate: Claim a loss in profit on the business while keeping wages low, paying less in taxes, making tons of revenue/profit from one part of the business, and using that money to finance other investments in the business while the stakeholders in the business get prodigiously wealthy as the business grows.

This is how athletic departments in the NCAA (including ND) operate.

The "stakeholders" im referring to in college sports are university presidents, corporate sponsors, TV networks, board members, coaches, athletic directors, conference presidents, etc. and anybody else making 6-7-8+ figures in salary/total compensation involved with college sports.
 
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THIS topic is about whether Jack Swarbrick was fired or not. And whether the BOT at ND are finally waking up to the mediocrity and are going to start making moves to bring championship football back to ND.

I went off topic by responding to another poster about the hypocrisy of ND having a $100+ M/year revenue generating cash cow (nobody actually knows precisely what those figures are, and you didn't provide any resources just said you looked something up). But it's silly to think that the **ND football program** isn't bringing in MASSIVE profit, and then on top of this extremely lucrative football business, have silly PR about college football being a student-first mission or whatever.

The hypocrisy of "hey we're a student first mission" while the ND football program is a billion-dollar business (off the backs of past and current athletes) and then hiring a NBC exec to run the athletic department to negotiate hundreds of millions of dollars in licensing, apparel, TV, etc. deals. This is an entirely different topic. And THIS is a topic I'd LOVE to get into a debate with you on but in a separate thread.
Ok. Sorry, I didn't realize that most of your OP was off-topic. Perhaps you will put forth a debatable resolution and argue the affirmative. The only at least partly debatable resolution you have made has to do with some assertions about where the athletic department's money is going.
 
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THIS topic is about whether Jack Swarbrick was fired or not. And whether the BOT at ND are finally waking up to the mediocrity and are going to start making moves to bring championship football back to ND.

This is a false premise. No rational person would say that ND's program has been mediocre over the past decade or more. We went to the championship game in 2012. We went to the playoffs after the 2018 and 2020 seasons. We had five consecutive 10 win seasons from 2017-2021, and going back to 2015, six out of seven seasons. Winning 10 games a year is not mediocrity. Going to the playoffs three times in the past 11 seasons is not mediocrity. This is just nonsense, but the poster continues to spew it out.
 
This is a false premise. No rational person would say that ND's program has been mediocre over the past decade or more. We went to the championship game in 2012. We went to the playoffs after the 2018 and 2020 seasons. We had five consecutive 10 win seasons from 2017-2021, and going back to 2015, six out of seven seasons. Winning 10 games a year is not mediocrity. Going to the playoffs three times in the past 11 seasons is not mediocrity. This is just nonsense, but the poster continues to spew it out.
"Never wrestle with a pig..."
 
This is a false premise. No rational person would say that ND's program has been mediocre over the past decade or more. We went to the championship game in 2012. We went to the playoffs after the 2018 and 2020 seasons. We had five consecutive 10 win seasons from 2017-2021, and going back to 2015, six out of seven seasons. Winning 10 games a year is not mediocrity. Going to the playoffs three times in the past 11 seasons is not mediocrity. This is just nonsense, but the poster continues to spew it out.
Since the 4-team CFB Playoffs started in 2014, seven teams have played at least twice. Notre Dame is one of them.
 
That was someone else's assertion of my argument. I never said there were corrupt administrators at ND or even alluded to it. The issue is systemic in college football and basketball. ND has profited off the systemic exploitation of (mostly) minority athletes for a VERY LONG TIME and need to progress past this non sense of *not* supporting athletes getting wealthy from their labor at ND.
Ahhh, playing the victim card

Makes sense
 
THIS topic is about whether Jack Swarbrick was fired or not. And whether the BOT at ND are finally waking up to the mediocrity and are going to start making moves to bring championship football back to ND.

I went off topic by responding to another poster about the hypocrisy of ND having a $100+ M/year revenue generating cash cow (nobody actually knows precisely what those figures are, and you didn't provide any resources just said you looked something up). But it's silly to think that the **ND football program** isn't bringing in MASSIVE profit, and then on top of this extremely lucrative football business, have silly PR about college football being a student-first mission or whatever.

The hypocrisy of "hey we're a student first mission" while the ND football program is a billion-dollar business (off the backs of past and current athletes) and then hiring a NBC exec to run the athletic department to negotiate hundreds of millions of dollars in licensing, apparel, TV, etc. deals. This is an entirely different topic. And THIS is a topic I'd LOVE to get into a debate with you on but in a separate thread.
I hope I don’t veer off topic with this. It’s NOT my intention.

Your question: WAS JACK SWARBRICK FIRED OR NOT?

What would be the CRITERIA in determining whether or not he DESERVED firing. In other words, what determines success as an AD at ND? Does anyone actually know?

Regardless of what Swarbrick has done or not, HE HASN’T FULLY RESURRECTED THE FOOTBALL PROGRAM to what it was under Dick Rosenthal. And for WHATEVER reason.

So, would THAT be grounds for firing him – given ND’s LUKEWARM approach to pursuing an NC as compared to those teams that actually ATTAIN one via willingness to take the REQUISITE STEPS?

Or might the opposite be true? That winning an NC at ND was NOT A PRIORITY-MISSION and/or something he was expected, let alone required, to do.

From where I sit – and it’s A HUGE DISTANCE FROM ALL OF THIS – Swarbrick looked to me like a guy who was essentially THE KING’S MINISTER and towing the PARTY LINE.

In fact, one could “ALMOST” make the case that by winning an NC at ND – or worse, a number of them – Swarbrick’s job might have been "MORE IN JEOPARDY," given how poorly Lou Holtz was treated for the SINS of his own success.

But was the AD's job EVEN IN JEOPARDY?

To me, Jack Swarbrick looked like the QUINTESSENCE OF ND 2.0:
  • Give it the old college try;
  • Play the student-athlete card;
  • Add GRAVITAS to the ACC;
  • Look every inch the shrewd lawyer/consigliere;
  • Hire a multiracial coach from a nominally disadvantaged sector of MINORITY SOCIETY – a very SHREWD MOVE, by the way, given ND’s other disadvantages;
  • AND ABOVE ALL ELSE . . . MAINTAIN ND’S POSITION AS A CREDIBLE LEGACY BRAND, even though its admin is unwilling to do what’s necessary to allow its football team to perform at the level it once did, given the school’s SOMETIMES-REAL/SOMETIMES-PUTATIVE COMMITMENT to its ACADEMIC MISSION.
I mean, have you ever seen a MORE PERFECT FIT?
 
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An issue I have with Jack is playing HBCU. If we miss the playoffs at 11-1 over woke politics as one criteria is SOS, it’s on Jack.
 
An issue I have with Jack is playing HBCU. If we miss the playoffs at 11-1 over woke politics as one criteria is SOS, it’s on Jack.
Pointing to politics and referencing Jack Swarbick on this site is really really cool.
 
That was someone else's assertion of my argument. I never said there were corrupt administrators at ND or even alluded to it. The issue is systemic in college football and basketball. ND has profited off the systemic exploitation of (mostly) minority athletes for a VERY LONG TIME and need to progress past this non sense of *not* supporting athletes getting wealthy from their labor at ND.
How did the “exploitation of minority athletes” differ from the “exploitation“ of non-minority athletes ?

How were those athletes “exploited” ?
 
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Pointing to politics and referencing Jack Swarbick on this site is really really cool.

It’s not politics. It’s about winning big games when you don’t have a conference championship. It’s about not being stupid and ruining a tradition and lowering standards to please folks like yourself.
 
An issue I have with Jack is playing HBCU. If we miss the playoffs at 11-1 over woke politics as one criteria is SOS, it’s on Jack.
If ND goes 11-1 pretty sure they are in. That means wins over a probable two 10+ win Ohio State, Clemson, USC. And wins over probable 8+ NCState Pitt and Louisville. Two of which are on the road.
 
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How did the “exploitation of minority athletes” differ from the “exploitation“ of non-minority athletes ?

How were those athletes “exploited” ?
Cmon Pat, you know the answer! Playing the minority card always guarantees media attention….
 
An issue I have with Jack is playing HBCU. If we miss the playoffs at 11-1 over woke politics as one criteria is SOS, it’s on Jack.
Making up a scenario in a world that is a product of your own fantasies, and then lashing out at it.

Otherwise known as "human nature."
 
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