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I think we’re at a different time in society now with different black coaches who have been hired throughout the NCAA/NFL, etc., so I don’t think we’d get the same treatment if we let go of Freeman after next season if things go badly. Even as disappointing as this season has been, and I’m not overly optimistic about Freeman and the future, there’s no way he gets let go any time before his second season and not even then unless it’s just egregiously bad.
Not going to happen.
 
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I think we’re at a different time in society now with different black coaches who have been hired throughout the NCAA/NFL, etc., so I don’t think we’d get the same treatment if we let go of Freeman after next season if things go badly. Even as disappointing as this season has been, and I’m not overly optimistic about Freeman and the future, there’s no way he gets let go any time before his second season and not even then unless it’s just egregiously bad.
He will likely start 0-3 against black head coaches. He may get his win vs TN State.
 
I think we’re at a different time in society now with different black coaches who have been hired throughout the NCAA/NFL, etc., so I don’t think we’d get the same treatment if we let go of Freeman after next season if things go badly. Even as disappointing as this season has been, and I’m not overly optimistic about Freeman and the future, there’s no way he gets let go any time before his second season and not even then unless it’s just egregiously bad.
If recruiting starts to fade, ND will make a change sooner rather than later. If recruiting continues to improve or maintain current levels, Freeman will get more time.
 
No he won't. He will get 3 if he's this bad. Nobody deserves 5 years unless they show growth. This is not Stanford.
certainly not academically but socially the needle has moved with the wakened culture plus it’s going to take time with on the job training!
 
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certainly not academically but socially the needle has moved with the wakened culture plus it’s going to take time with on the job training!
I agree with a lot of this, but Jack Swarbrick will have to keep his doors locked to ward off rabid and angry fans if Freeman is losing to Marshall's in year 3 and comes back. ND fans will not stand for that. I haven't seen fans this angry since Weis was in his last year and it's only Freeman's first 7 games.
 
Gundy consistently out coaches/ranks his team higher than his recruiting classes (the best measure of a coach).
I can agree with that. I just don’t have him as “legendary” due to below:

- he is 3-14 against Okie
- 9-9 against Texas, and Texas has been down for over a decade
- He is 11-8 against Baylor, who recruited at a poorer rate than Okie State for most of Gundy’s tenure

but he has taken care of business since the Big12 started to degrade
 
I think we’re at a different time in society now with different black coaches who have been hired throughout the NCAA/NFL, etc., so I don’t think we’d get the same treatment if we let go of Freeman after next season if things go badly. Even as disappointing as this season has been, and I’m not overly optimistic about Freeman and the future, there’s no way he gets let go any time before his second season and not even then unless it’s just egregiously bad.
And he shouldn't be fired under 3 years. It's a fine line in CFB today of winning and losing. Unless you've got the very best talent you can't just sleep walk through any game and expect victory.

Freeman is trying to instill his culture, get his guys, all that stuff...plus getting his feet wet...

It does take time.


I don't care about the Marshall loss. Parity is high in CFB.

That said Freeman's fate lies with the OC. If he keeps Rees this ship will sink and it very well could be 3 years. Less if the players quit. That's hard to identify but players can/do quit on coaches. It happens.

If Freeman can beat one of, Syracuse, Clemson, USC (just one victory against those three will do)
And win the rest of the games fans will be fine.

If he loses all of them and a loss to either BC or Navy,
The sky will be falling for 9 months until kick-off 2023...
 
And he shouldn't be fired under 3 years. It's a fine line in CFB today of winning and losing. Unless you've got the very best talent you can't just sleep walk through any game and expect victory.

Freeman is trying to instill his culture, get his guys, all that stuff...plus getting his feet wet...

It does take time.


I don't care about the Marshall loss. Parity is high in CFB.

That said Freeman's fate lies with the OC. If he keeps Rees this ship will sink and it very well could be 3 years. Less if the players quit. That's hard to identify but players can/do quit on coaches. It happens.

If Freeman can beat one of, Syracuse, Clemson, USC (just one victory against those three will do)
And win the rest of the games fans will be fine.

If he loses all of them and a loss to either BC or Navy,
The sky will be falling for 9 months until kick-off 2023...
They sky fell the day he was hired
 
Their previous two games, and averaged under 200 yards of offense.

They travel across the country and score 21, and 300 yards of offense on ND.

This team isn’t good on offense, defense or special teams. I’m so glad the players hired Freeman.

I don’t want Pryor to transfer but he should for the sake of his career and future. Go back to OSU where he’ll get tons of run next year.
"I’m so glad the players hired Freeman."

Beautifully STROKED and so OFF THE NOSE.

Great line.

And ACCURATE.
 
Or we can call out delusional, clueless fans like you who thought this move would be an upgrade over the guy at LSU. What did you say, "sometimes you have to take a step back to go forward" or "all we can do is be supportive and HOPE they figure it out" Hope is NOT a strategy

The whole 11-1 wins means nothing unless you win a National Championship crowd, is about to take a big bite out of 6-6 turd burger. Does it taste good sweetheart? I hope so, because it was what you and the Driskell fan boys asked for.

You were not supportive of BK losing in the CFP, but we are supposed to be supportive of 4-3, and losing to Marshall and Stanford. Not in this lifetime or the next pal
Dude, YOU'RE KILLING IT.

Just keep those TIGHT, FACT-BASED COMBINATIONS TO THE BODY COMING.

Too much of THAT, and people DON'T ANSWER THE BELL.

This was a HOPE & PRAY hire, and EVERYONE knows it.
 
You can bring a suit for anything. Even if not. The media blasted ND for giving Ty 3 years. They apparently felt ND should not have the same standards for white and black coaches. This is more than a case of a loser coach, it’s dismantling an era, wrecking a culture, showing no presence on the sideline, having no in game management, not getting a transfer QB, not holding asst coaches accountable. He’s the worst coach I’ve ever seen at any level. He’s NOT rebuilding.
"This is more than a case of a loser coach, it’s dismantling an era, wrecking a culture, showing no presence on the sideline, having no in game management, not getting a transfer QB, not holding asst coaches accountable. He’s the worst coach I’ve ever seen at any level. He’s NOT rebuilding."

ALL TRUE.
 
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And he shouldn't be fired under 3 years. It's a fine line in CFB today of winning and losing. Unless you've got the very best talent you can't just sleep walk through any game and expect victory.

Freeman is trying to instill his culture, get his guys, all that stuff...plus getting his feet wet...

It does take time.


I don't care about the Marshall loss. Parity is high in CFB.

That said Freeman's fate lies with the OC. If he keeps Rees this ship will sink and it very well could be 3 years. Less if the players quit. That's hard to identify but players can/do quit on coaches. It happens.

If Freeman can beat one of, Syracuse, Clemson, USC (just one victory against those three will do)
And win the rest of the games fans will be fine.

If he loses all of them and a loss to either BC or Navy,
The sky will be falling for 9 months until kick-off 2023...
"That said Freeman's fate lies with the OC. If he keeps Rees this ship will sink and it very well could be 3 years. Less if the players quit. That's hard to identify but players can/do quit on coaches. It happens."

That will be his KEY decision in the off-season --
 
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These posts are laughable. Like you dopes know what is going to happen.

Don't jump on the bandwagon when we start winning big. Don't want to hear it
Says the guy that promised us Dante Moore and a better coach than BK. And calls anyone that disagrees with him on literally any topic stupid.
 
Says the guy that promised us Dante Moore and a better coach than BK. And calls anyone that disagrees with him on literally any topic stupid.
Just you. You are on savvy and pats level now. Crying like a little girl. You've been extra this past week probably that time of the month for ya
 
Or we can call out delusional, clueless fans like you who thought this move would be an upgrade over the guy at LSU. What did you say, "sometimes you have to take a step back to go forward" or "all we can do is be supportive and HOPE they figure it out" Hope is NOT a strategy

The whole 11-1 wins means nothing unless you win a National Championship crowd, is about to take a big bite out of 6-6 turd burger. Does it taste good sweetheart? I hope so, because it was what you and the Driskell fan boys asked for.

You were not supportive of BK losing in the CFP, but we are supposed to be supportive of 4-3, and losing to Marshall and Stanford. Not in this lifetime or the next pal
Good post and hard to accept
 
Good post and hard to accept
Southfloridairish88, can't even explain where he got BK being 59-0 vs unranked teams lol. He clearly doesn't know anything, in fact he's a joke and a fool.
Last I checked i'm not the AD or involved in the football program at all, other than being a fan. You, me, and everyone on this forum has ZERO input or power to make any decisions on behalf of the program, so what am I supposed to say? It's out of our control, so yea all we can do is hope Freeman is successful. Seriously do you want him to continue to fail? We have to face reality, he's at ND for at least 3 years if not 5. and there is NOTHING any of us can do about it.

What kind of shitty fans are you that start asking for a HC head after 8 games into his tenure. Were you this critical of BK when he went 4-8 in his 7th year as HC? southfloridairish is a complete buffoon, GTFO.
 
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These posts are laughable. Like you dopes know what is going to happen.

Don't jump on the bandwagon when we start winning big. Don't want to hear it
The same bandwagon you repeatedly said Brian Kelly would be driving as he took us to the top? You said that twice a day, every day, every damn week.
Just you wait and see...Brian Kelly is taking us to the top.

Or is it the bandwagon you hopped on with your favorite team of Alabama.?!
 
The same bandwagon you repeatedly said Brian Kelly would be driving as he took us to the top? You said that twice a day, every day, every damn week.
Just you wait and see...Brian Kelly is taking us to the top.

Or is it the bandwagon you hopped on with your favorite team of Alabama.?!
Alabama has been the best team in the country for about 14years. Im not a fan, just can admit an obvious fact

Wanna tell us how the sec sucks like last year? When 2 teams from That conference destroyed their playoff opponent and the sec won yet another NC. Tell us how the sec is always overrated yet they dominate in all the important big games.

I never said BK would win a NC here. Just that he was capable

Nice try from another idiot
 
Alabama has been the best team in the country for about 14years. Im not a fan, just can admit an obvious fact

Wanna tell us how the sec sucks like last year? When 2 teams from That conference destroyed their playoff opponent and the sec won yet another NC. Tell us how the sec is always overrated yet they dominate in all the important big games.

I never said BK would win a NC here. Just that he was capable

Nice try from another idiot
Again...the names showing you're at study hall.

Pretty nice junior high to allow you on a device during the school say.

You repeatedly said Brian Kelly was going to take ND to the top.

Now either you meant "THE TOP" or amid the top...either way I repeatedly told you he was fools gold and you bought every god damn ounce of him.

The SEC collectively as a conference is overrated. That's what I said...repeatedly. Your problem is you love the SEC so much you get frazzled if anyone steps away from your darling trendy talking head rhetoric.

You want to look at a playoff of only 4 teams meanwhile your Graceland absolutely positively will not play above the Mason Dixon line post Halloween. Have gorgeous weather..


Again...not sure why you're even here.

Bama and LSU would love to have you.
 
Again...the names showing you're at study hall.

Pretty nice junior high to allow you on a device during the school say.

You repeatedly said Brian Kelly was going to take ND to the top.

Now either you meant "THE TOP" or amid the top...either way I repeatedly told you he was fools gold and you bought every god damn ounce of him.

The SEC collectively as a conference is overrated. That's what I said...repeatedly. Your problem is you love the SEC so much you get frazzled if anyone steps away from your darling trendy talking head rhetoric.

You want to look at a playoff of only 4 teams meanwhile your Graceland absolutely positively will not play above the Mason Dixon line post Halloween. Have gorgeous weather..


Again...not sure why you're even here.

Bama and LSU would love to have you.
Wrong. I said he could take us to the top. Not that he would. He needed a QB and to recruit better. He didnt do those 2 things. So you're wrong there.

Got your panties in a bunch over the sec again I see. You're obsessed. You hate when someone is overly successful. Probably because you are lower class in life. You're pathetic. Its embarrassing but I enjoy you looking like a fool


You're a huge tool. And a fake Notre Dame fan.
 
Dude, YOU'RE KILLING IT.

Just keep those TIGHT, FACT-BASED COMBINATIONS TO THE BODY COMING.

Too much of THAT, and people DON'T ANSWER THE BELL.

This was a HOPE & PRAY hire, and EVERYONE knows it.
4-4-3 where are you? I'm missing your snooze-fest posts. These clearly haven't aged very well, but please come out of hiding.
 
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Meanwhile Gundy has his Ok. state team playing tough as usual. Mega drop off between two programs that headed in different directions after the bowl game. One program with a legendary coach. The other with, well, a low tier D3 guy or a guy that should’ve gotten a start at an FCS program max.
This post was timely. Legendary Gundy loses 48-0. Some real tough playing…

so what direction is Okie State? Lost 2 out of last 3 and only beat 5-3 Texas by a score
 
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