UNLV Debacle

[sjb75]

Only someone very ignorant can make such a comparison.

Now you are on the right track.

I stopped responding directly to that particular poster long, long ago.

Again. Complete moron.

 

[savvyandsassier]

Only someone very ignorant can make such a comparison.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.... Tell it to the judge. But you already tried that and he told you to pay up.

I guess the free market giveth and it sometimes taketh away. As far as you're concerned all it does is give. It's a cash register to you. But sometimes you have to give a little. You can't always completely rig the system in your favor, and this was one sweet ride for as long as it lasted. And you don't even have to pay anything personally. It's just the insult of it. Just the way it makes you feel. But that counts for something. And you can't really put a price on that.

 

[4-4-3]

Yeah, if they get the little anti-trust exemption, that's what they're hoping for. But personally I think it's too late for that. There's no going back. And I feel like saying the momentum for full professionalization is coming from the SEC, where they love their CFB, and they don't give a shit about academic integrity or prestige or whatnot, and certainly not some govt. bureaucracy getting to keep all this money. They got no natural sympathy for that shit. That's for Yankee sissies. They want their football. And they're willing to pay to do it, always have been. While ND is in the vanguard of working to maintain the plantation system, I guess because they can sort of make the sanctimonious claim that they are true to the mission of the student-athlete. Even if the whole concept was a complete hustle from the very beginning.

"Yeah, if they get the little anti-trust exemption, that's what they're hoping for. But personally I think it's too late for that. There's no going back."

I don't see it happening either. MLB has never been able to reinstate its RESERVE CLAUSE, the demise of whicn led to FREE AGENCY.

"This article also appeared in the 2006 Society for American Baseball Research Baseball Research Journal—Volume 35.

"A moment that marked a dramatic shift in the power structure between major league baseball players and owners came on December 23, 1975 when an arbitrator’s decision brought an end to the primary effects of the reserve clause. Prior to the decision, the pendulum of power had been firmly with the owners. The players had made some gains, particularly with the formation of a viable union, but the owners were still in control. However, once the owners lost the ability to bind players to their teams indefinitely, which had been the result of the reserve clause for nearly 100 years, the pendulum swung greatly toward the players. The owners have spent the ensuing 30 years trying to reverse its direction."

 

[banmate6]

Why is it a farce? It's a farce to make money, that's a farce? They were being totally exploited, and still are. SCOTUS, not normally a pro-little guy institution when it comes to ruling on big money and who gets to keep it and who has to eat cake, emphatically and unanimously condemned the NCAA's exploitation racket. And very grudgingly and out of panic did the NCAA throw out this slapdash 'NIL' regime, lest they lose all their legitimacy completely to the point of possibly being forcibly disbanded. While still working furiously behind the scenes to reinstate the old plantation system with some sweeping legal maneuver that would manage to override the basic essence of the free market, by getting an 'exception' to the normal rule of law. Which is now their only chance to hold on to power.

Naturally, in response to their public humiliation they did the bare minimum, as if to take no action or make no gesture that would imply a loss of their jealously wielded arbitrary power over college sports, and players are on paper only allowed to make money for advertising, which I suppose still manages to keep the whole phony amateurism principle, more like charade, philosophically in place. Even though it doesn't, and more importantly without which the NCAA would stand naked as the pure racketeers they are. But they keep getting slapped down by America's increasingly depraved legal system for prohibiting players' ability to make money off of football, based on no other reason than their own unilateral say-so. Like for instance as a de facto recruiting inducement, which would be the main/only reason you would pay a player. And of course they're helpless to prevent it nor do they even want to. They're willing to watch the whole thing burn. It's their only chance, however vain and pathetic and iniquitous, to come to the rescue and reinstate the scourge of "Amateurism", which is just straight exploration - period. Just like any plantation owner or the like in the antebellum south. And the NCAA's entire existence is built around it.

And so of course the NIL landscape is a free for all. The NCAA doesn't give a shit. They would presumably calculate that it would be great for things to get really greasy, and maybe public sentiment among largely hardcore conservative, pro-business football fans would swing back the other way. And they cheer regrettable incidents like this because it serves their cause. They'd love to reassert their authority with an iron fist, but they really can't, so let the whole thing run rampant. But apparently full-blown revenue sharing, professionalization and employee status is right around the corner, and title IX isn'g going to save them either. And that would seemingly spell the end of the NCAA's reign of terror.

I honestly think you quick reading my posts, as I mostly agree with you.

One MAJOR exception: even with the past corruption, cheating, and academic accommodation, even at ND...they were still student-athletes. They identified with the school and students, woven into a pageantry of tradition. Some did actually genuinely engage in academics, although I well know how some cheated.

Obviously the players are getting their cut. Legally. Open. Rip off the band-aid. But we've lost something. Now it's the least common denominator spectacle, for the dollars only.

That is why I might lose interest. Who cares if it's athletes with NOTHING to do with the school or scholastics? It is just a semipro sport. With a nominal school branding.

In fact, much as I complain about ND not being good enough...trying to be somewhat idealistic is what keeps me attuned. It would be SENSATIONAL for ND to win with genuine students...although I advocate an easy remedial degree path to be able to compete, which I maintain is in keeping with a Catholic social mission.

Hence hypocrisy 101 with ND leadership. To holy to do this. But yet takes the money in a system so morally contemptuous...again, don't get me wrong, as I am no saint, but I don't like evil...yet I don't like smarmy moralism either.

 

[mbd11]

UNLV beat Fresno State yesterday, 59-14. Their new QB, also a grad transfer, had 3 TD passes and a TD run. So maybe that's why they didn't do a lot to try to keep the other guy around.

 

[4-4-3]

I honestly think you quick reading my posts, as I mostly agree with you.

One MAJOR exception: even with the past corruption, cheating, and academic accommodation, even at ND...they were still student-athletes. They identified with the school and students, woven into a pageantry of tradition. Some did actually genuinely engage in academics, although I well know how some cheated.

Obviously the players are getting their cut. Legally. Open. Rip off the band-aid. But we've lost something. Now it's the least common denominator spectacle, for the dollars only.

That is why I might lose interest. Who cares if it's athletes with NOTHING to do with the school or scholastics? It is just a semipro sport. With a nominal school branding.

In fact, much as I complain about ND not being good enough...trying to be somewhat idealistic is what keeps me attuned. It would be SENSATIONAL for ND to win with genuine students...although I advocate an easy remedial degree path to be able to compete, which I maintain is in keeping with a Catholic social mission.

Hence hypocrisy 101 with ND leadership. To holy to do this. But yet takes the money in a system so morally contemptuous...again, don't get me wrong, as I am no saint, but I don't like evil...yet I don't like smarmy moralism either.

After more than 50 years of DONATION REQUESTS THAT STARTED SOON AFTER MY GRADUATION FROM PREP SCHOOL, COLLEGE AND GRAD SCHOOL, respectively -- it's clearer to me than ever that MONEY is the PRIME MOVER in all things collegiate, and that the entire COLLEGE MYTH, including sports and the whole PREP prelude, is based on ENCOURAGING ALUMNI and other donors to keep SCRATCHING THEIR NOSTALGIA ITCH -- so as to keep pumping out the CASH.

It's a HUSTLE that tugs at the HEARTSTRINGS, and to a certain extent, that's UNDERSTANDABLE when, say, you see your kid graduate from your OLD SCHOOL or one even better. But that, too, fades as what matters most to these institutions is that they continue to exist FOR THEIR OWN SAKE and not yours or mine -- BUT FOR the money we provide them to help them KEEP RUNNING.

If that sounds cyincal, it's because the world is a MASSIVELY CYNICAL PLACE that continues to operate in a BARE-KNUCKLES manner. Ask Ukraine, Israel, Haiti or Hezbollah. While we spend hours on message boards, people are dying in intractable WARS.

ALL TRADITIONS WEAKEN OVER TIME. Most outright die. For college football to remain anything REMOTELY like it once was is a FANTASY. Our way of life has been transformed by CARTEL CAPTURE, DEFENSE, DEBT MONETIZATION and DIGITALIZATION. AI is up next, and while we can MOURN change, it's a FOOL'S ERRAND to FIGHT IT. In societies as COMPLEX as ours is, MICRO-SCALE RESETS don't work.

What I try to do is to ENJOY WHAT I HAVE WHILE I STILL HAVE IT. At the speed we're moving, VERY LITTLE is likely to remain UNTOUCHED over the next 5 to 10 years. And that includes college football which is just as inextricably linked to MONEY-WORLD as everything else we enjoy, cherish or seek to preserve.

 

[wi_hoosier]

What are you talking about? Boosters are the ones writing the checks. At best they jump through the legal hoop of making it seem like they want the rights to his 'likeness' somehow, but that's bullshit. They're just paying him straight up. So there are no 'opportunities', like if you come to UNLV we'll get you all kinds of marketing gigs. It's Vegas after all. You can be a celebrity greeter at one of our casinos! And we figure you can earn 100 grand that way, in fact we'll promise you that. No, they just write him a check, and then he makes some purely pro-forma public appearance to satisfy the letter of the law. And now they're reneging on that. Because it's Vegas after all, that's just what they do.

So you're dang right this is all hearsay. Don't you ever get tired of being performatively naive? Don't you ever want to look at the world for what it actually is for once, and be proud to do it? Just one time call a spade a spade, something so obvious as this?

What are you talking about??? Everyone is jumping in saying the coaches reneged on paying the QB, and now RB. Nobody knows that for sure. We have the QB's take, and the University's take. I was just providing an alt version to what everyone was saying, maybe the coaches never said they would pay. Maybe these players were trying to make something happen thinking they held all of the cards. Of course booster write the checks, but it was the QB himself that said the coaches told him he would receive X amount of money for coming to UNLV.

Not sure where you "tired of being perfomatively naive" comment is coming from. I see the world for what it is, and it's not always black and white like you want to believe. Again, I was just provided an alternate and stating that the players could be lying... if you don't believe that's possible, then who is being naive?