UNLV Debacle

[edub72]

Looks like the NIL check bounced

UNLV QB leaves program, hints at NIL dispute

UNLV starting quarterback Matthew Sluka announced Tuesday night on social media that he will not play in any more games this season.

www.espn.com

 

[raulduke_007]

Looks like the NIL check bounced

UNLV QB leaves program, hints at NIL dispute

UNLV starting quarterback Matthew Sluka announced Tuesday night on social media that he will not play in any more games this season.

www.espn.com

Looks like UNLV crapped out.

 

[mva5580]

What cracks me up about it is the mental gymnastics he and his handlers or whatever went through to not specifically state "money" in the statement. My man, we all KNOW what it is. There's no reason to dance around it like that, just say it.

 

[mmboys07]

Looks like the NIL check bounced

UNLV QB leaves program, hints at NIL dispute

UNLV starting quarterback Matthew Sluka announced Tuesday night on social media that he will not play in any more games this season.

www.espn.com

ND needs a QB.

 

[edub72]

Crazy that he just quit

 

[Golson5]

They're undefeated and he did this..... wow

 

[NIN Irish]

Pathetic

 

[mmca]

Get used to this! This will become very common if things don't change.

 

[savvyandsassier]

Guaranteed that 'boosters' are going to try and screw players over. Or just overextend themselves financially. This is America, baby! How do you think these guys get rich in the first place, by being honorable? Sometimes. But screwing your business partner over financially is a time honored tradition in this country. Especially if the opposite party is deemed naive, or some kind of sucker to be taken advantage of.

So good for this guy for walking.

 

[savvyandsassier]

Get used to this! This will become very common if things don't change.

Things are going to change. Full professionalization is coming, and presumably with it a CBA of some kind with all sorts of rules and regs and bylaws. NIL won't go anywhere, because that's simply normal, legal business. You get your salary from the club, the franchise. And then you get endorsement deals. The NCAA keeps trying to arbitrarily order players around under pain of expulsion from the sport, and illegally limiting their ability to get paid, and the courts keep slapping them down. And the only way a rules regime could be implemented is by the players and the owners, ie the schools, coming to terms. But first you gotta give up the money, and then we'll agree to some rules. It's called negotiating a deal!

 

[NIN Irish]

Guaranteed that 'boosters' are going to try and screw players over. Or just overextend themselves financially. This is America, baby! How do you think these guys get rich in the first place, by being honorable? Sometimes. But screwing your business partner over financially is a time honored tradition in this country. Especially if the opposite party is deemed naive, or some kind of sucker to be taken advantage of.

So good for this guy for walking.

Just don't mistake this guy as a good teammate.

 

[savvyandsassier]

Just don't mistake this guy as a good teammate.

F that. That's the whole grift right there. This guy went to Colgate, he probably didn't want to even to go to UNLV. And he did because he wanted this money, and was offered it, and they signed on the dotted line, or at least had a handshake arrangement. And now they're going to renege, and he's expected to stay? Give me a break, I mean are you kidding me? Because he owes it to his teammates? This ain't the battle of Iwo Jima. So maybe he's not the greatest 'teammate', and if it were me I probably would have stuck it out. But I don't know what his circumstances are, or who he's dealing with, and F UNLV's cheating boosters.

 

[mbd11]

Apparently, an assistant coach made him a verbal offer of $100,000. But the head coach says that wasn't valid, because it didn't come from him. The only formal offer was $12,000.

 

[savvyandsassier]

Apparently, an assistant coach made him a verbal offer of $100,000. But the head coach says that wasn't valid, because it didn't come from him. The only formal offer was $12,000.

Yeah, the coach himself made the offer? I guess at UNLV they don't have some glossy, first-rate operation handling all the pay for play NIL deals and everything's all nice and smooth and on the up and up. Somehow that seems appropriate for Las Vegas. It's just in their DNA.

So it's not hard to imagine, whatever it is that went down exactly, LV people, whether coaches, boosters, whoever, totally not being trustworthy or living up to their end of the bargain. And for some private school kid from the Ivy League country to eventually be like, I'm out of here. But he should have known who he was dealing with.

 

[Harpo Marxist]

Flip the script....If, on your job...you didn't get paid as agreed to....would you continue working so you don't let your coworkers down? Sounds like that is what happened. NIL has turned college sports into a profession....a job. Volunteer work is for the 4th stringers at the end of the bench and the practice squad. It is what it is.

 

[mbd11]

Yeah, the coach himself made the offer? I guess at UNLV they don't have some glossy, first-rate operation handling all the pay for play NIL deals and everything's all nice and smooth and on the up and up. Somehow that seems appropriate for Las Vegas. It's just in their DNA.

So it's not hard to imagine, whatever it is that went down exactly, LV people, whether coaches, boosters, whoever, totally not being trustworthy or living up to their end of the bargain. And for some private school kid from the Ivy League country to eventually be like, I'm out of here. But he should have known who he was dealing with.

But at the same time, verbal contracts are worth the paper they're printed on. He and his agent should've known that. And it was only an assistant coach who made the alleged offer. The head coach never approved it.

 

[edub72]

All teams will hire a general manager to deal with this I guess

 

[chaseball]

What cracks me up about it is the mental gymnastics he and his handlers or whatever went through to not specifically state "money" in the statement. My man, we all KNOW what it is. There's no reason to dance around it like that, just say it.

it's funny how we give institutions a pass every time they try to be PR friendly (which is far more prevalent), but chastise the athletes for it when they do the same.

 

[buckey]

Things are going to change. Full professionalization is coming, and presumably with it a CBA of some kind with all sorts of rules and regs and bylaws. NIL won't go anywhere, because that's simply normal, legal business. You get your salary from the club, the franchise. And then you get endorsement deals. The NCAA keeps trying to arbitrarily order players around under pain of expulsion from the sport, and illegally limiting their ability to get paid, and the courts keep slapping them down. And the only way a rules regime could be implemented is by the players and the owners, ie the schools, coming to terms. But first you gotta give up the money, and then we'll agree to some rules. It's called negotiating a deal!

You are dead wrong. It will go back the other way before that.

 

[burmafrd1943]

when its all about money its always going to be ugly

 

[banmate6]

Good comments.

I also have no sympathy. Nor care. It's long been an under the table farce, but at least it was once about some loyalties.

The wheels have rightfully come off. The players should get what they can negotiate in what is a semi-pro massive money making farce. It's what the people want...a spectacle, as the majority don't care about quality.

Same as it ever was. The mob just wants to be seen and entertained. Jousting over it, with each other and influencers.

Social media and marketing machines make it the Colosseum of Rome on steroids.

 

[savvyandsassier]

Good comments.

I also have no sympathy. Nor care. It's long been an under the table farce, but at least it was once about some loyalties.

The wheels have rightfully come off. The players should get what they can negotiate in what is a semi-pro massive money making farce. It's what the people want...a spectacle, as the majority don't care about quality.

Same as it ever was. The mob just wants to be seen and entertained. Jousting over it, with each other and influencers.

Social media and marketing machines make it the Colosseum of Rome on steroids.

Why is it a farce? It's a farce to make money, that's a farce? They were being totally exploited, and still are. SCOTUS, not normally a pro-little guy institution when it comes to ruling on big money and who gets to keep it and who has to eat cake, emphatically and unanimously condemned the NCAA's exploitation racket. And very grudgingly and out of panic did the NCAA throw out this slapdash 'NIL' regime, lest they lose all their legitimacy completely to the point of possibly being forcibly disbanded. While still working furiously behind the scenes to reinstate the old plantation system with some sweeping legal maneuver that would manage to override the basic essence of the free market, by getting an 'exception' to the normal rule of law. Which is now their only chance to hold on to power.

Naturally, in response to their public humiliation they did the bare minimum, as if to take no action or make no gesture that would imply a loss of their jealously wielded arbitrary power over college sports, and players are on paper only allowed to make money for advertising, which I suppose still manages to keep the whole phony amateurism principle, more like charade, philosophically in place. Even though it doesn't, and more importantly without which the NCAA would stand naked as the pure racketeers they are. But they keep getting slapped down by America's increasingly depraved legal system for prohibiting players' ability to make money off of football, based on no other reason than their own unilateral say-so. Like for instance as a de facto recruiting inducement, which would be the main/only reason you would pay a player. And of course they're helpless to prevent it nor do they even want to. They're willing to watch the whole thing burn. It's their only chance, however vain and pathetic and iniquitous, to come to the rescue and reinstate the scourge of "Amateurism", which is just straight exploration - period. Just like any plantation owner or the like in the antebellum south. And the NCAA's entire existence is built around it.

And so of course the NIL landscape is a free for all. The NCAA doesn't give a shit. They would presumably calculate that it would be great for things to get really greasy, and maybe public sentiment among largely hardcore conservative, pro-business football fans would swing back the other way. And they cheer regrettable incidents like this because it serves their cause. They'd love to reassert their authority with an iron fist, but they really can't, so let the whole thing run rampant. But apparently full-blown revenue sharing, professionalization and employee status is right around the corner, and title IX isn'g going to save them either. And that would seemingly spell the end of the NCAA's reign of terror.

 

[Harpo Marxist]

One aspect of the scope of NIL that doesn't get much attention is unionization. The NLRB ruled in 2014 that college athletes can unionize (the Northwestern case). I expect this issue to surface with some forward motion, with such a disparity of NIL deals team to team. It will excerbate the situation, of course...and its athletes ultimately pissing in their own cornflakes, imo...but, NIL has brought us the haves and the have nots. The have nots will eventually want union representation for NIL purposes.

 

[scubastevefl]

Since college football is basically a pro league now, can we start doing trades? Riley Leonard in exchange this guy and a truck full of In N Out Burgers?

 

[savvyandsassier]

Since college football is basically a pro league now, can we start doing trades? Riley Leonard in exchange his guy and a truck full of In N Out Burgers?

I know you're kidding, but it will be more like European soccer. Or like a hybrid between the American pro model of trading players and assuming their contracts, along with players having full freedom of movement in the portal, and perhaps new deals having to be negotiated with each move, as well as maybe a base salary that rises or falls that depends on which team you're playing for. But who knows what the structure of it all will consist of. I don't know exactly how it's done in Europe other than players can hit the portal so to speak whenever they want, though I think a team has to be willing to sell them, which they usually will not put up much of a fight against if a player wants out, and some other team wants to acquire them, so it amounts to the same thing. And then they work out a price.

 

[banmate6]

Why is it a farce? It's a farce to make money, that's a farce? They were being totally exploited, and still are. SCOTUS, not normally a pro-little guy institution when it comes to ruling on big money and who gets to keep it and who has to eat cake, emphatically and unanimously condemned the NCAA's exploitation racket. And very grudgingly and out of panic did the NCAA throw out this slapdash 'NIL' regime, lest they lose all their legitimacy completely to the point of possibly being forcibly disbanded. While still working furiously behind the scenes to reinstate the old plantation system with some sweeping legal maneuver that would manage to override the basic essence of the free market, by getting an 'exception' to the normal rule of law. Which is now their only chance to hold on to power.

Naturally, in response to their public humiliation they did the bare minimum, as if to take no action or make no gesture that would imply a loss of their jealously wielded arbitrary power over college sports, and players are on paper only allowed to make money for advertising, which I suppose still manages to keep the whole phony amateurism principle, more like charade, philosophically in place. Even though it doesn't, and more importantly without which the NCAA would stand naked as the pure racketeers they are. But they keep getting slapped down by America's increasingly depraved legal system for prohibiting players' ability to make money off of football, based on no other reason than their own unilateral say-so. Like for instance as a de facto recruiting inducement, which would be the main/only reason you would pay a player. And of course they're helpless to prevent it nor do they even want to. They're willing to watch the whole thing burn. It's their only chance, however vain and pathetic and iniquitous, to come to the rescue and reinstate the scourge of "Amateurism", which is just straight exploration - period. Just like any plantation owner or the like in the antebellum south. And the NCAA's entire existence is built around it.

And so of course the NIL landscape is a free for all. The NCAA doesn't give a shit. They would presumably calculate that it would be great for things to get really greasy, and maybe public sentiment among largely hardcore conservative, pro-business football fans would swing back the other way. And they cheer regrettable incidents like this because it serves their cause. They'd love to reassert their authority with an iron fist, but they really can't, so let the whole thing run rampant. But apparently full-blown revenue sharing, professionalization and employee status is right around the corner, and title IX isn'g going to save them either. And that would seemingly spell the end of the NCAA's reign of terror.

The farce is moral hypocrisy...that these are student-athletes. They're obviously not.

Like I said, I support ripping off the band-aid and having the players take their cut. Fair is fair. No more one sided exploitation.

Most of all, I detest moral imperialism. I'd rather have folks openly tell me what something is. As opposed to feigning sanctity to justify it when it's morally in question.

So, I applaud it being open and more honest. As you stated, it's all about money and business. So be it.

I am not sure if I will stick around for it. I identify with ND because it is a great Catholic icon. With an iconic football brand.

If this devolves into a semipro outfit or, equally damning, a losing team, I just might lose interest.

 

[jerbach]

Doesn't seem like a lot of money to me. Real boosters could pony up. Nevertheless, college football is in a trap of its own making.

 

[savvyandsassier]

The farce is moral hypocrisy...that these are student-athletes. They're obviously not.

Like I said, I support ripping off the band-aid and having the players take their cut. Fair is fair. No more one sided exploitation.

Most of all, I detest moral imperialism. I'd rather have folks openly tell me what something is. As opposed to feigning sanctity to justify it when it's morally in question.

So, I applaud it being open and more honest. As you stated, it's all about money and business. So be it.

I am not sure if I will stick around for it. I identify with ND because it is a great Catholic icon. With an iconic football brand.

If this devolves into a semipro outfit or, equally damning, a losing team, I just might lose interest.

Sorry, for going off like that. Obviously this is a major hobbyhorse for me. When it really hits you how awful the NCAA is and has been and continues to be, it's pretty heavy-duty stuff.

Even the sort of historical accident of big time sports, with high level BB and especially American tackle football being associated with college attendance, I don't sympathize with it. There was never some golden age of the true student athlete ever. No sublime 'amatuerism' from the mists of America's past. There were ringers playing for the Ivies and for ND and all the big glamour schools pre-WW2, and getting paid on the side. Like George Gipp. And they weren't serious students. Or just guys coming out for the team to do their alma mater proud.

And the official 'student-athlete' designation was a very calculated legal creation, not to mention the cultural mythology, absolutely designed to allow schools to forestall, I suppose, any attempt at or natural evolution wherein players would eventually make a claim on the growing revenue stream of what was at that time I believe the most popular spectator sport in America, other than MLB and a big championship prize fight. And they nipped that very deliberately in the bud. To monopolize all the revenue, under quasi-legal pain of death so to speak. And the rest is or was history, with the little waiver you used to sign where you renounce any sort of right to be paid in any way whatsoever deemed 'professional', and they will expel you with extreme prejudice if you do, so as to always set no possible precedent. And of course they know there's pay for play going on under the table because it was ever thus, and so they selectively put the hammer down from time to time for appearances' sake. Even though everyone does it. And the NCAA, who's supposedly an independent, dignified, impartial actor but really acting solely on the schools' behalf, who of course keep all the money, lords over it all. And that's the name of the game and their raison d'etre.

Pretty dark stuff I would say in the history of America, right under our noses. And yet college sports are held up as some beacon of American wholesomeness. If anything if American universities maintain such robust athletic depts with all these different sports that they're so proud and self-congratulatory about handing scholarships out for, it's because of all that football/basketball money that has to get spent on something. And scholarships are not all that frequent outside of BB and CFB. But they do have the facilities and recruiting budgets and well-paid coaches and all that. And as one last stinging insult, who is it that's getting exploited in this almost overt, hidden in plain sight fashion? Poor blacks. Yet again. So you take all that money that should rightfully be going to black BB and CFB players, and you redistribute it to white soccer and lacrosse and women's field hockey players who get partial scholarships and nice uniforms and equipment for their games nobody goes to or cares about. Nor should care about quite frankly.

Anyways, it sounds like you're on the other side of the aisle on this one. You might even lose interest in the sport altogether. Unless they're willing to keep doing it for free. I'm surprised, you're a like a software designer. I thought they were more progressive than that.

 

[burmafrd1943]

Sorry, for going off like that. Obviously this is a major hobbyhorse for me. When it really hits you how awful the NCAA is and has been and continues to be, it's pretty heavy-duty stuff.

Even the sort of historical accident of big time sports, with high level BB and especially American tackle football being associated with college attendance, I don't sympathize with it. There was never some golden age of the true student athlete ever. No sublime 'amatuerism' from the mists of America's past. There were ringers playing for the Ivies and for ND and all the big glamour schools pre-WW2, and getting paid on the side. Like George Gipp. And they weren't serious students. Or just guys coming out for the team to do their alma mater proud.

And the official 'student-athlete' designation was a very calculated legal creation, not to mention the cultural mythology, absolutely designed to allow schools to forestall, I suppose, any attempt at or natural evolution wherein players would eventually make a claim on the growing revenue stream of what was at that time I believe the most popular spectator sport in America, other than MLB and a big championship prize fight. And they nipped that very deliberately in the bud. To monopolize all the revenue, under quasi-legal pain of death so to speak. And the rest is or was history, with the little waiver you used to sign where you renounce any sort of right to be paid in any way whatsoever deemed 'professional', and they will expel you with extreme prejudice if you do, so as to always set no possible precedent. And of course they know there's pay for play going on under the table because it was ever thus, and so they selectively put the hammer down from time to time for appearances' sake. Even though everyone does it. And the NCAA, who's supposedly an independent, dignified, impartial actor but really acting solely on the schools' behalf, who of course keep all the money, lords over it all. And that's the name of the game and their raison d'etre.

Pretty dark stuff I would say in the history of America, right under our noses. And yet college sports are held up as some beacon of American wholesomeness. If anything if American universities maintain such robust athletic depts with all these different sports that they're so proud and self-congratulatory about handing scholarships out for, it's because of all that football/basketball money that has to get spent on something. And scholarships are not all that frequent outside of BB and CFB. But they do have the facilities and recruiting budgets and well-paid coaches and all that. And as one last stinging insult, who is it that's getting exploited in this almost overt, hidden in plain sight fashion? Poor blacks. Yet again. So you take all that money that should rightfully be going to black BB and CFB players, and you redistribute it to white soccer and lacrosse and women's field hockey players who get partial scholarships and nice uniforms and equipment for their games nobody goes to or cares about. Nor should care about quite frankly.

Anyways, it sounds like you're on the other side of the aisle on this one. You might even lose interest in the sport altogether. Unless they're willing to keep doing it for free. I'm surprised, you're a like a software designer. I thought they were more progressive than that.

you taint the hundreds of thousands who played over the decades with the handful who did take money.
But then people like you always need to tear down; never build

 

[sjb75]

you taint the hundreds of thousands who played over the decades with the handful who did take money.
But then people like you always need to tear down; never build

No clue what it even says. Congratulations for taking the time to read that.

 

[4-4-3]

Yeah, the coach himself made the offer? I guess at UNLV they don't have some glossy, first-rate operation handling all the pay for play NIL deals and everything's all nice and smooth and on the up and up. Somehow that seems appropriate for Las Vegas. It's just in their DNA.

So it's not hard to imagine, whatever it is that went down exactly, LV people, whether coaches, boosters, whoever, totally not being trustworthy or living up to their end of the bargain. And for some private school kid from the Ivy League country to eventually be like, I'm out of here. But he should have known who he was dealing with.

Someone WASN'T WATCHING.

Everybody Watches Everybody

 

[Extirpate 6951]

No clue what it even says. Congratulations for taking the time to read that.

Sounds like some Marxist diatribe!

 

[wi_hoosier]

Looks like the NIL check bounced

UNLV QB leaves program, hints at NIL dispute

UNLV starting quarterback Matthew Sluka announced Tuesday night on social media that he will not play in any more games this season.

www.espn.com

Hot take: Maybe the QB, the RB and their agent decided they helped lead UNLV to a 3-0 start and want to get paid now. NIL was not supposed to be paying the players to play. It was to be an opportunity for players to go out and make some money off of their name. The UNLV coaches may have told these players that if they come, there would be money opps, and these players took that as the school was going to pay them.

Of course all of this is just hearsay and he said/he said. I'm just providing an alternate scenario. One thing for sure is that the college game I loved to watch is exponentially becoming less enjoyable for me.

 

[savvyandsassier]

Sounds like some Marxist diatribe!

Not really. There are two historical precedents, if you will, when it comes to making sense and finding analogy for the iniquity of the NCAA financially exploiting CFB players so nakedly and completely all this time, with enforced amateurism. On the one hand there's the 'plantation system' comparison, which hits home given that this is America and we're dealing largely with black athletes.

But the other one that gets invoked, and is maybe more compelling is to compare the NCAA to communist Russia, or China or whoever. And while the athletes are first among equals as it were, and live a comparatively cushy life, and they even get a scholarship! Ultimately it's the state who keeps all the money, and decides who gets what. And if you don't like it they disappear you, ie declare you ineligible. And then good luck with your life.

So my little diatribe is definitely not Marxist. And you know that. Or at least I hope you do, as it's not hard to follow. I guess for someone like yourself, anything other than some owner, in this case the universities, basically getting to do whatever the F he wants, and you can take it or leave it, is communist. That's the level of intellectual sophistication of your typical American reactionary. Even if you do understand how stupid it is, you can't come up with anything better.

 

[savvyandsassier]

Hot take: Maybe the QB, the RB and their agent decided they helped lead UNLV to a 3-0 start and want to get paid now. NIL was not supposed to be paying the players to play. It was to be an opportunity for players to go out and make some money off of their name. The UNLV coaches may have told these players that if they come, there would be money opps, and these players took that as the school was going to pay them.

Of course all of this is just hearsay and he said/he said. I'm just providing an alternate scenario. One thing for sure is that the college game I loved to watch is exponentially becoming less enjoyable for me.

What are you talking about? Boosters are the ones writing the checks. At best they jump through the legal hoop of making it seem like they want the rights to his 'likeness' somehow, but that's bullshit. They're just paying him straight up. So there are no 'opportunities', like if you come to UNLV we'll get you all kinds of marketing gigs. It's Vegas after all. You can be a celebrity greeter at one of our casinos! And we figure you can earn 100 grand that way, in fact we'll promise you that. No, they just write him a check, and then he makes some purely pro-forma public appearance to satisfy the letter of the law. And now they're reneging on that. Because it's Vegas after all, that's just what they do.

So you're dang right this is all hearsay. Don't you ever get tired of being performatively naive? Don't you ever want to look at the world for what it actually is for once, and be proud to do it? Just one time call a spade a spade, something so obvious as this?

 

[savvyandsassier]

You are dead wrong. It will go back the other way before that.

Yeah, if they get the little anti-trust exemption, that's what they're hoping for. But personally I think it's too late for that. There's no going back. And I feel like saying the momentum for full professionalization is coming from the SEC, where they love their CFB, and they don't give a shit about academic integrity or prestige or whatnot, and certainly not some govt. bureaucracy getting to keep all this money. They got no natural sympathy for that shit. That's for Yankee sissies. They want their football. And they're willing to pay to do it, always have been. While ND is in the vanguard of working to maintain the plantation system, I guess because they can sort of make the sanctimonious claim that they are true to the mission of the student-athlete. Even if the whole concept was a complete hustle from the very beginning.

 

[NIN Irish]

Not really. There are two historical precedents, if you will, when it comes to making sense and finding analogy for the iniquity of the NCAA financially exploiting CFB players so nakedly and completely all this time, with enforced amateurism. On the one hand there's the 'plantation system' comparison, which hits home given that this is America and we're dealing largely with black athletes.

But the other one that gets invoked, and is maybe more compelling is to compare the NCAA to communist Russia, or China or whoever. And while the athletes are first among equals as it were, and live a comparatively cushy life, and they even get a scholarship! Ultimately it's the state who keeps all the money, and decides who gets what. And if you don't like it they disappear you, ie declare you ineligible. And then good luck with your life.

So my little diatribe is definitely not Marxist. And you know that. Or at least I hope you do, as it's not hard to follow. I guess for someone like yourself, anything other than some owner, in this case the universities, basically getting to do whatever the F he wants, and you can take it or leave it, is communist. That's the level of intellectual sophistication of your typical American reactionary. Even if you do understand how stupid it is, you can't come up with anything better.

You really should stop with the plantation comparison. Playing football is a choice with free education and many other benefits. Plantations were forced labor with the slaves involved, not to mention all the other horrors they faced.
Please educate yourself and stop with the idiotic comparison.

 

[sjb75]

You really should stop with the plantation comparison. Playing football is a choice with free education and many other benefits. Plantations were forced labor with the slaves involved, not to mention all the other horrors they faced.
Please educate yourself and stop with the idiotic comparison.

You’re interacting with a moron.

Don’t bother.

 

[savvyandsassier]

You really should stop with the plantation comparison. Playing football is a choice with free education and many other benefits. Plantations were forced labor with the slaves involved, not to mention all the other horrors they faced.
Please educate yourself and stop with the idiotic comparison.

Nah. The shoe definitely fits. Besides, I didn't think of it. Some egghead professor did. And it stuck because it's such an obvious apt comparison, if not perfect. But leave it to a hardcore CFB fan to note how it's not the same thing because it's not outright full-blown slavery. And you would actually single that out as a key difference, and keep your moral dignity that way. Maybe it's more like the sharecropper regime that followed slavery. I don't know I'm not an expert on all the details of that particular Neo-feudalist arrangement.

But yeah, okay. It's more like communism than slavery. You win.

 

[NIN Irish]

Nah. The shoe definitely fits. Besides, I didn't think of it. Some egghead professor did. And it stuck because it's such an obvious apt comparison, if not perfect. But leave it to a hardcore CFB fan to note how it's not the same thing because it's not outright full-blown slavery. And you would actually single that out as a key difference, and keep your moral dignity that way. Maybe it's more like the sharecropper regime that followed slavery. I don't know I'm not an expert on all the details of that particular Neo-feudalist arrangement.

But yeah, okay. It's more like communism than slavery. You win.

Only someone very ignorant can make such a comparison.