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The "will of the people" only goes so far because we do not live in a pure democracy, but a Representative form of government.
The will of the people is only truly important with elections. Almost all else is the votes of elected officials who are subject to lobbyists, economic issues, and many other causes.
We do not live in a theocracy so religious beliefs have little import to a secular issue of individuals being subjected to discrimination.
The will of the people is only truly important with elections. Almost all else is the votes of elected officials who are subject to lobbyists, economic issues, and many other causes.
We do not live in a theocracy so religious beliefs have little import to a secular issue of individuals being subjected to discrimination.
It always goes back to the race It's like a default rebuttal that is tattooed in the brains of the left. If not the will of the people, then let's just shut down the voting system. Just let lawyers, activists, and courts decide what laws are going to be on the books and eliminate the middle man. There was a lot of back slapping when that little teeny weeny family owned pizza place was shut down because of their Christian beliefs and the threats. It must make you all feel so proud.
Quit trying to run a misdirection play. Get out of the 1960s. This is 2015 and it's not about blacks and whites. I wish you had this kind of sympathy for the mom and pop bakeries and pizza joints that were shut down because of their Christian faith. But that makes you and the left feel pretty empowered. Doesn't it? The Memories pizza place in Walkerton, Indiana had scripture quotes painted on the walls and there was a message to any customers that needed prayer to let the staff know and they would pray for the customer. Bad bad pizza owners. How dare they. They now are in hiding because of threats from the left and these cyber bullies are who you are hitching your wagon to. Al Sharpton agrees with you for crying out loud. Great minds think alike I guess. I notice that for all the hipster intellect you may or may not have, you always seem to be on the wrong side of the debate. It's never too late to change. Regardless, a small caravan of supporters, which me and my immediate and extended family are a part of, will take a pizza trip to Memories, if and when they re-open.
irish jack posted on 4/4/2015
I wish you had this kind of sympathy for the mom and pop bakeries and pizza joints that were shut down because of their Christian faith.
They now are in hiding because of threats from the left and these cyber bullies are who you are hitching your wagon to.
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I take you are friends with the folks threatening the bakery owners? How else do you really know the politics of the folks making the threats?
Do you have sympathy for physicians threatened or shut down by the right because of their support of legal birth control? Or is it only when your side that deserves to feel safe?
I agree that the bakery owners should not have been threatened, but that does not implicate all on the side of the issue who disagree with the stance and actions of these bakery owners.
I wish you had this kind of sympathy for the mom and pop bakeries and pizza joints that were shut down because of their Christian faith.
They now are in hiding because of threats from the left and these cyber bullies are who you are hitching your wagon to.
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I take you are friends with the folks threatening the bakery owners? How else do you really know the politics of the folks making the threats?
Do you have sympathy for physicians threatened or shut down by the right because of their support of legal birth control? Or is it only when your side that deserves to feel safe?
I agree that the bakery owners should not have been threatened, but that does not implicate all on the side of the issue who disagree with the stance and actions of these bakery owners.
Are we sure the overall "will of the people" supports the beliefs of the hard lined christian right?
The voters of Indiana overwhelmingly elected Conservative Republican control in the Senate, the House, and for governor. Does that answer your question?
I always seem to be on the wrong side of the debate? To whose "side" does public opinion appear to be heading over the past decade? "Yours" or "mine"? Whose "side" ended up having the most influence on the RFRA debate? "Yours" or "mine".
I'm not running a misdirection play at all, and frankly, my response has nothing to do with race. Rather, I'm highlighting the fact that you seem to have a clear misunderstanding of how our government works. You believe that the "will of the people" should be paramount. I've pointed out an instance in which the "will of the people" supported an act that many people believe to be abhorrent. Apparently, you cannot defend that point. Our government is not based on "whatever the majority says or believes is what we are going to do." There's a reason the court system is in place. You seem not to understand that reason, unless you think Brown v. Board of Education was wrongly decided.
Not sure why you're trying to tell me that I'm feeling "empowered" by what happened in Walkerton. I've actually been on record in this thread that I disagreed with the actions of those who threatened the pizza place. At the same time, they just made over $800,000, so I think they'll end up being OK in the end.
I was speaking more towards the national overall views. This is an Indiana law so yes we should focus on that but there seems to be a lot of rhetoric being thrown around about what how the majority of Americans are being held hostage. I just am not sure I agree with this. I understand and recognize your sensitivities to police related political issues but again I am not sure how any police protests are necessarily related to the protests of the act.
In reality this is yet another non story fabricated by the media. Just like the Duke lacrosse, "Hands up, don't shoot", the Virginia rape case. The "national" media talking point now is the backlash caused by this law even though at least 19 other states have darn near similar laws and some like Connecticut are even more strict. The media is driving this whole thing. Truth be told, if it was a Muslim pizza joint or bakery, it truly would be a non story. People who claim to be shocked, embarrassed and angry have no idea what the law even said. They assumed what the law said and took it to its most intolerant degree. Last I checked, gays can roam around the country freely, vote, marry, and work. Same as me. Not too shabby for a persecuted group. I don't know the numbers but Hoosiers are not all that shook up about the law. They knew weeks in advance about the law and said nothing. That leads me to believe it is the outsiders who are making threats and causing problems within the state. Hoosiers voted in a Republican governor and control of the House and senate. Hoosiers knew. Hoosiers also knew that there is legislation waiting to put Christmas back in public schools. The real meaning if a teacher so chooses. Nativity scenes. Things like that. Hoosier voters have been quiet on the issue even though it has been made very public. It will remain quiet until outsiders and the media gets things going. Mark my words. This is not Hoosiers that is driving this. And, by the way, why isn't there outrage at the other 19 or so states, including Connecticut? If a person is going to be ashamed of the state or be embarrassed or boycott then at least read the darn law, read the nineteen or so others, then come back with an informed opinion and not one based on assumption and ignorance. That's why I have no interest in the opinion from some of our board members who don't live here and never even read the new law. Most are predictable. If a Conservative says the sun is shining, they will come back and demand a retraction, boycott, and tweet threats all based on one cloud in the sky.
I am not sure how the issue is with "outsiders" and not with the elected officials who are not upholding their obligation to represent the views, beliefs and values of the electorate?
My friend, they are trying to uphold their obligation to the Hoosier voters who put them in office in all three branches. Just like the other 19 states. It's the media and outsiders who don't know the law or our state who are causing problems and getting everyone all riled up. It was all quiet until Pence signed the law even though it was state news for a long time. Why aren't these outside hypocrites attacking Connecticut or Illinois who have even stricter laws but also swing left? When that question is asked, all gets suddenly silent. Try being a Christian in the middle east. Now that is a persecuted group with no media, Apple, or Hollywood boob speaking out on your behalf. Confused times we live in IMHO.
Hey Irish Jack, gay marriage has been recognized in Connecticut since 2008. Tell me again how their religious freedom law is more restrictive? I'm anxious to hear this.
Depending on you view of the social contract, the majority of them however are going to all say that the obligation of the lawmakers is to no worry about reelection but rather what their obligations are. Outsider "rilling" up people shouldn't effect your elected officials. In Texas our elected officials will deny groups all kinds of rights until the day we all die with the mainstream media be damned.
There are multiple articles out there articulating the key differences between the Indiana law and the federal law or those of the other 19 states. I guess the issue would then be are the article from the right kind of media.
Finally, there are new outlets and articles out there championing the struggle of Christians in the middle east the issue would be that mainstream media outlets run on a profit model. The middle east stories that sale and therefore get run are those that address the violence in the middle east.
There are multiple articles out there articulating the key differences between the Indiana law and the federal law or those of the other 19 states. I guess the issue would then be are the article from the right kind of media.
Finally, there are new outlets and articles out there championing the struggle of Christians in the middle east the issue would be that mainstream media outlets run on a profit model. The middle east stories that sale and therefore get run are those that address the violence in the middle east.
Nice try. The Indiana law gives the government more lead way than Connecticut. I think you and the left are fixated on labeling the gay community as a protected group. You failed on your one and only try at a "gotcha moment". I am officially done with the subject. I think the arguments have been made and no one is budging. If you feel the need to boycott Indiana then please do so. Over and out.
