Trump will not visit Note Dame
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The tradition, since Eisenhower, has been for the US President to be the ND commencement speaker at the graduation following their 1st presidential election victory
My freshman year at ND was the year following Obama's 1st election, and thus he was invited to be the commencement speaker that year
(and at the time I thought the amount of protesting about his invitation was insane)
This upcoming graduation would be the year that Trump would traditionally be invited to be the commencement speaker, but the ND Admin decided not to invite him....which I think was the 100% wrong decision.
(they instead invited Pence)
The ND admin is getting far to political (and liberal) for my liking
Agreed. They're showcasing they only want someone to speak from one side of the aisle. Liberals hate freedom of thought and expression unless it's exactly what they believe in. Many Liberals search out people who disagree with them and try to destroy those individuals.
Inviting Pence is hardly a liberal behavior
It is when it's the alternative you chose to upholding a 50+ year old tradition of inviting the president.
Especially for a school so married to tradition that we had wooden benches in the stadium until 2 years ago and are just now getting a TV.
If they had invited Trump to speak at this commencement and Pence at next year's commencement...you'd have a point.
As is, the decision to snub the Republican president is a highly politicized move, actively taking up sides with dems/libs.....in a way that may not sit well with a large number of alumni.
(I know it doesn't sit well with me, nor any of my friends...though we're too young to be the high $$ alumns the school really cares about)
Trump should have been invited to speak at commencement for all the same reasons Obama was.
It was right to invite Obama. It was wrong not to invite Trump.
Unfortunately, College is no longer worth the money !
From an educational point of view, higher education used to be a place where professors and administrators taught and encouraged a free exchange of ideas. Today universities are loaded with professors who were the 1960 radicals. They are closed minded and brainwash rather than educate ! Some of of the courses of study are off the wall : " White Privilege " for an example ?
Notre Dame , a once great Catholic University invited Obama who was the most pro abortion ,
and ' in my opinion, the most anti Christian President we ever had, yet he was invited to speak at ND. The justifcation was that ND tradionally invited every President since Eisenhower ?
Why did that Tradition now change ?
From an economic point of view, at a net cost of $50,000. a year - 4 years of lost employment opportunity with some type of valuable " On the job training " that $ 200,000 + four years of lost income is a nice sum of money to invest in something more valuable than an " Indoctrination in Radical Liberalism ! "
I fully understand that Admission Policies certainly are higher at certain institutions and lower at others, but, generally speaking, higher education is now open to the " Masses " . It is no longer a " Rare Commodity " and ,therefore, has lost much of its value.
In short, unless one is studying for a Profession like medicine, advanced science, advanced math. etc, it is better to save your money, go to a community college, buy a set of " The Harvard Classics "
and read them from cover to cover , and you will have a great education as well a a great savings of money.
You will also come in contact with all points of view as expressed by the greatest minds and thinkers the World has ever
known !
From an educational point of view, higher education used to be a place where professors and administrators taught and encouraged a free exchange of ideas. Today universities are loaded with professors who were the 1960 radicals. They are closed minded and brainwash rather than educate ! Some of of the courses of study are off the wall : " White Privilege " for an example ?
Notre Dame , a once great Catholic University invited Obama who was the most pro abortion ,
and ' in my opinion, the most anti Christian President we ever had, yet he was invited to speak at ND. The justifcation was that ND tradionally invited every President since Eisenhower ?
Why did that Tradition now change ?
From an economic point of view, at a net cost of $50,000. a year - 4 years of lost employment opportunity with some type of valuable " On the job training " that $ 200,000 + four years of lost income is a nice sum of money to invest in something more valuable than an " Indoctrination in Radical Liberalism ! "
I fully understand that Admission Policies certainly are higher at certain institutions and lower at others, but, generally speaking, higher education is now open to the " Masses " . It is no longer a " Rare Commodity " and ,therefore, has lost much of its value.
In short, unless one is studying for a Profession like medicine, advanced science, advanced math. etc, it is better to save your money, go to a community college, buy a set of " The Harvard Classics "
and read them from cover to cover , and you will have a great education as well a a great savings of money.
You will also come in contact with all points of view as expressed by the greatest minds and thinkers the World has ever
known !
I get what you are saying and I agree.... but still Pence is way more 'traditionally conservative' than Trump.
He is, no question.
But that has nothing to do with whether or not the university's actions are "Democrat leaning" or "liberal".
They broke a long-standing tradition to express a political view, immediately after using that same exact tradition to say "This isn't about our view, it's a great tradition!!"
It's both inconsistent and pathetic
Can I get an explanation of this stance?
Or just tossing out stupidity, so we can all identify you as someone to laugh at?
Why keep complaining about this? You are the one being laughed at. Grow up, and quit whining about something you can't control as much as you'd like.
What am I complaining about, that I can't change?
As an alum and donor, I can certainly attempt to have an impact on the university adopting and expressing political stances that I disagree with.
(that's the point of telling the school and/or other alumns that you don't like the direction the school is going)
Again, what are you actually trying to say?
Or are you just trying to ensure that people laugh at you, for not knowing what you're talking about?
I'll just refer you to my earlier post. That's it, quit complaining and whining "big guy."
This isn't the place for it. Nothing else.I'm not going back and forth with you, if you still don't understand. That's it from me. Whine away, if you must, and you can be the one laughed at.
Considering his Daddy's penchant for Klan marches in Queens (not to mention documented anti-catholic speak), pretty sure he was raised with a healthy disdain for Catholics. Anyone still with the loyalty of calling himself a "real Irishman" doesn't want him there anyway. But the faux-fan conservative wasp wannabe has plenty of other teams to root for with a strong catholic hating history.
It's breaking from ND tradition. Trust me there will be plenty of snowflake students protesting as it nears.
I'll just refer you to my earlier post. That's it, quit complaining and whining "big guy."
I'm not going back and forth with you, if you still don't understand. That's it from me. Whine away, if you must, and you can be the one laughed at.
So you popped off, got called on it, and have now found yourself in totally over your head.
Got it
Next time, when the discussion you don't understand what's going on, just sit quietly in the corner instead of calling attention to the fact that you're so completely out of your depth.
If you ever figure out how to have a simple discussion with another adult, let me know.
Meme response.....that you had to take from someone else.
Honestly, perfect
Again, let me know if you ever grow up and can manage an adult conversation on topics like this
What does snowflake mean anyway? Is it blue collar working class Irish American, ready to take a piece of oak to the heads of the WASP masters? That's what "Fighting Irish" is. You have an identity crisis. Is it a term for a person not into bending and spreading wide over while the bullsh***ers take their corporate masters rods and tell them you won't feel a thing. Because you do what do we call you?
If you even use the term snowflake you are stooge of a gang that has manipulated your weak mind. Flash terms from propaganda sites...you're a genius
Who knows if ND did not invite Trump. Did Trump send Pence instead? Maybe Trump decided not to speak. Maybe Trump was afraid of lightning striking. Besides, Pence is closer to the ideal conservative. I think it was the smart move.
The invitations are almost always stated publicly.
ND did not invite Trump, in a major break with tradition, so that the ND admin could make a political statement.
It was the wrong thing to do, and I know I'll have that in mind for the next several "please donate" messages I get.
My lack of donations won't matter to ND, but if this kind of thing upsets the high dollar alumns....well, hopefully we can start purging this need to make political statements out of ND's admin
The snowflake mentality entering ND is unnacceptable
You do realize that your mancrush is a ginger, or is his hair fake?The above ginger is as legendary as the DoDo, or a dinosaur.
Do some reading and you'll see Father Jenkins didn't think it would be a good idea to have Trump come to ND, at this time, with snowflakes being so sensitive.
I remember Jenkins praising Pence in a statement about the invitation. He never said ND did or did not offer invite to Trump first. Nevertheless, I'd bet they had some private conversations with the White House before announcing Pence invite.
are you kidding me? ND is a catholic school and about as conservatively catholic as it gets. if the administration isn't inviting Trump, it's because catholics generally aren't complete hypocrites and the administration recognizes that Trump would be the anti-Christ if he was about 30 IQ points smarter.
You're clearly not very familiar with the ND admin and/or its tendencies or political leanings.
Spend some time there, it may surprise you.
oneill,
Beware of these First time posters. They are usually trolls coming on under different names ?
In any case, after readings Geo's comments , the ignore button is on !
^ after going through my concordance I can find no reference to any mentioned anti crist IQ score.
While it can be akin to being the thinnest girl at a fat girl's dance, in the broad spectrum of american academia ND would be way toward the conservative end IMHO. That doesn't require the school to be conservative, just more conservative than most.
Correct.
The admin is certainly more conservative than say, Cali schools
(where apparently there are movements to literally surpress the very concept of free speech as "racist")
But the ND admin is still objectively quite liberal, as you can see from their actions
(not only here, but in other instances as well)
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