Transfer rules under fire

[NDinNJ]

NCAA gets rid of the transfer eligibility rule for first time transfers, and now there are lawsuits against the NCAA challenging the transfer eligibility rule on subsequent transfers.

NCAA facing antitrust lawsuit challenging transfer eligibility rule

If a judge were to grant an injunction, it would likely render any DI college athletes currently seeking a waiver as immediately eligible.

theathletic.com

 

[DieHard_Irish]

Absolute shit show. Ok make them employees, do away with scholarships and make them pay for their education, fire them when they don't produce, and tax them at both the state and federal level. College athletics is a joke. There is nothing remotely related to college in college athletics except for the team name.

 

[d1042]

Kids are just looking for the best education!

 

[NDinNJ]

Absolute shit show. Ok make them employees, do away with scholarships and make them pay for their education, fire them when they don't produce, and tax them at both the state and federal level. College athletics is a joke. There is nothing remotely related to college in college athletics except for the team name.

Agree. Along with the changes the new NCAA president wants to make creating a new subdivision that will allow schools to pay players directly, how is Notre Dame going to navigate through this. They are already handicapping themselves by not taking undergraduate transfers. As we've seen with the WR room, it's not easy replacing undergraduate athletes that can be developed, decide to transfer out. As the transfer rules become even more lenient combined with schools paying players directly, Notre Dame will be forced to make some tough decisions if they want to continue to compete at a high level.

 

[savvyandsassier]

Absolute shit show. Ok make them employees, do away with scholarships and make them pay for their education, fire them when they don't produce, and tax them at both the state and federal level. College athletics is a joke. There is nothing remotely related to college in college athletics except for the team name.

They're not ever going to pay for their own tuition. Why do you keep thinking this is how you're going to stick it to the players, who you obviously have some fairly resentful hostility for? And so in what delusional universe are the schools going to hand the players, at the end of the semester, an effin' bill for $50,000, when some other school will happily enroll them for free - JUST LIKE THEY DO NOW.

It's called the free market, perhaps you're familiar with it?

 

[buckey]

Kids are just looking for the best education!

Damn right. This is good for us🤥

 

[chaseball]

This is life in nearly every industry. You can either sit in your corner and cry about how the world is not what it used to be, or you can put on your big boy pants and evolve with the times and give it your best effing shot.

At some point ND and its community need to stop blaming the NCAA, the athletes, etc. and start looking inward and be self-critical about their own stubbornness and inability to evolve.

ND Football is going nowhere btw. ND as a whole benefits way too much from their football program. So either ND can slowly adjust while the losses and embarrassments continue to pile up or take the bull by the horns and start navigating through this new landscape strategically and in a way that puts ND football back at the top of the sport. I vote for the latter.

 

[buckey]

This is life in nearly every industry. You can either sit in your corner and cry about how the world is not what it used to be, or you can put on your big boy pants and evolve with the times and give it your best effing shot.

At some point ND and its community need to stop blaming the NCAA, the athletes, etc. and start looking inward and be self-critical about their own stubbornness and inability to evolve.

ND Football is going nowhere btw. ND as a whole benefits way too much from their football program. So either ND can slowly adjust while the losses and embarrassments continue to pile up or take the bull by the horns and start navigating through this new landscape strategically and in a way that puts ND football back at the top of the sport. I vote for the latter.

Wow. Did you just piss in your big boy pants?

 

[notredamerises23]

They're not ever going to pay for their own tuition. Why do you keep thinking this is how you're going to stick it to the players, who you obviously have some fairly resentful hostility for? And so in what delusional universe are the schools going to hand the players, at the end of the semester, an effin' bill for $50,000, when some other school will happily enroll them for free - JUST LIKE THEY DO NOW.

It's called the free market, perhaps you're familiar with it?

Most on this board ardently champion "free market" principles and "capitalism" for themselves and society, yet when it pertains to college football, these ideals mysteriously vanish, replaced by a disregard for the free market, the invisible hand, and laissez-faire principles.

 

[NDinNJ]

Most on this board ardently champion "free market" principles and "capitalism" for themselves and society, yet when it pertains to college football, these ideals mysteriously vanish, replaced by a disregard for the free market, the invisible hand, and laissez-faire principles.

You are missing the point. I'm all for free markets and players getting what they can get, but don't do it half assed as is the case currently. There are rules around NIL and very few schools are following them. NCAA should just go all in and say ok, colleges can sign players and forget letters of intent they are useless, sign contracts for a specific term, like pro sports. Athletes are then locked in for the terms of the contract, compensation, and years, , 1, 2, 4 years, whatever. In the contract.

Right now it's completely out of control,

 

[deadirishpoet]

Absolute shit show. Ok make them employees, do away with scholarships and make them pay for their education, fire them when they don't produce, and tax them at both the state and federal level. College athletics is a joke. There is nothing remotely related to college in college athletics except for the team name.

Bingo

 

[deadirishpoet]

Most on this board ardently champion "free market" principles and "capitalism" for themselves and society, yet when it pertains to college football, these ideals mysteriously vanish, replaced by a disregard for the free market, the invisible hand, and laissez-faire principles.

College football has not been part of the free market, or a free market principle.
These were amateur athletes up until an hour ago.

 

[savvyandsassier]

Most on this board ardently champion "free market" principles and "capitalism" for themselves and society, yet when it pertains to college football, these ideals mysteriously vanish, replaced by a disregard for the free market, the invisible hand, and laissez-faire principles.

Right. I know we're all frustrated, but this thing where the players are going to have their bluff called, and then have to pay their own tuition as some sort of matter of course, is not something that's ever going to happen. Schools would have to collude among themselves to do it, which would be obviously illegal. And beyond that, where do fans even get this cockamamie idea? It would have to be enforced by fiat, and would be in the starkest contrast to all the working principles of the free market. Unless there's some legal idiosyncrasy I'm unaware of, in which case the players would simply demand more money to offset the cost of tuition....

 

[notredamerises23]

College football has not been part of the free market, or a free market principle.
These were amateur athletes up until an hour ago.

That’s my point – everybody else and for everybody else, free market capitalism, but when it comes to college football, and specifically the athletes, all of a sudden people want regulation.

 

[deadirishpoet]

That’s my point – everybody else and for everybody else, free market capitalism, but when it comes to college football, and specifically the athletes, all of a sudden people want regulation.

Well like the market it needs to be regulated, or offshore money will be pouring in which doesn't benefit the vast majority of teams

 

[tbonesays]

Most on this board ardently champion "free market" principles and "capitalism" for themselves and society, yet when it pertains to college football, these ideals mysteriously vanish, replaced by a disregard for the free market, the invisible hand, and laissez-faire principles.

A sports league is not a free market. Otherwise the Dallas Cowboys would be free to schedule a game against North Texas.

 

[TDIrish27]

The only way this gets regulated would be at the Fed level.

 

[savvyandsassier]

You can get the regulation that you want, but you have to first negotiate with the players. Which none of you, in almost embarrassing fashion, even remotely allude to, let alone actively engage with. And of course you won't get everything you want, that's how negotiations work.

What you guys want is a neo-slavery system. Meaning you will decide, or your representatives in power will decide for you, unilaterally, and with the power ultimately of law and order behind you if anyone balks. As if you possess total dominant control and power to decide, and the players will simply do what you say upon pain of expulsion from the sport like it used to be. Which appears to be the only arrangement guys like you are comfortable with. Or even allow yourselves to conceive of. Dominant, coercive authority.

 

[deadirishpoet]

You can get the regulation that you want, but you have to first negotiate with the players. Which none of you, in almost embarrassing fashion, even remotely allude to, let alone actively engage with. And of course you won't get everything you want, that's how negotiations work.

What you guys want is a neo-slavery system. Meaning you will decide, or your representatives in power will decide for you, unilaterally, and with the power ultimately of law and order behind you if anyone balks. As if you possess total dominant control and power to decide, and the players will simply do what you say upon pain of expulsion from the sport like it used to be. Which appears to be the only arrangement guys like you are comfortable with. Or even allow yourselves to conceive of. Dominant, coercive authority.

What percentage of athlete is driving all this drama and then speak of embarrassingly
You are talking union
We do have dominate control.
The fan is driving the bus, and depending on how many fans want to be taken hostage by so few players and that's just the tip

 

[savvyandsassier]

What percentage of athlete is driving all this drama and then speak of embarrassing

You're doing it again. What are you talking about? I don't understand your question. Whatever it is you're obliquely getting at, how does it have any bearing on the rules that will affect all players?

You need to deal with the fact, if you're serious, that you don't get to decide. There isn't going to be some Republican senator who will step in and restore the old ancient regime. So you're either going to negotiate with the players, and not get everything you want, or get nothing at all, and the players will continue in piecemeal fashion to tick off everything on their wish list, as far as expanded rights and freedoms and opportunities. Like they're doing right now.

So you should just embrace that they are full professionals and always have been, they're not 'semi-pros', and they're certainly not amateurs other than by coercive fiat. Meaning you either agree to these terms of you don't play at all. And those days are totally over forever.

 

[deadirishpoet]

You're doing it again. What are you talking about? I don't understand your question. Whatever it is you're obliquely getting at, how does it have any bearing on the rules that will affect all players?

You need to deal with the fact, if you're serious, that you don't get to decide. There isn't going to be some Republican senator who will step in and restore the old ancient regime. So you're either going to negotiate with the players, and not get everything you want, or get nothing at all, and the players will continue in piecemeal fashion to tick off everything on their wish list, as far as expanded rights and freedoms and opportunities. Like they're doing right now.

So you should just embrace that they are full professionals and always have been, they're not 'semi-pros', and they're certainly not amateurs other than by coercive fiat. Meaning you either agree to these terms of you don't play at all. And those days are totally over forever.

There you go again.
You don't seem to get it
I don't need football it needs me and as much as it would pain me to drop football all together it is during hunting season and I will get by
My true passion in college sports is wrestling and that sport is relatively benign to this matter
So carry on
BTW there was no question it was a response

 

[deadirishpoet]

You're doing it again. What are you talking about? I don't understand your question. Whatever it is you're obliquely getting at, how does it have any bearing on the rules that will affect all players?

You need to deal with the fact, if you're serious, that you don't get to decide. There isn't going to be some Republican senator who will step in and restore the old ancient regime. So you're either going to negotiate with the players, and not get everything you want, or get nothing at all, and the players will continue in piecemeal fashion to tick off everything on their wish list, as far as expanded rights and freedoms and opportunities. Like they're doing right now.

So you should just embrace that they are full professionals and always have been, they're not 'semi-pros', and they're certainly not amateurs other than by coercive fiat. Meaning you either agree to these terms of you don't play at all. And those days are totally over forever.

But here's a question
Who represents the players
All players?

 

[BGI User 756]

They're not ever going to pay for their own tuition. Why do you keep thinking this is how you're going to stick it to the players, who you obviously have some fairly resentful hostility for? And so in what delusional universe are the schools going to hand the players, at the end of the semester, an effin' bill for $50,000, when some other school will happily enroll them for free - JUST LIKE THEY DO NOW.

It's called the free market, perhaps you're familiar with it?

I’m ok with free market…but then go all the way. Taxes, annual reviews, wage laws

 

[deadirishpoet]

I’m ok with free market…but then go all the way. Taxes, annual reviews, wage laws

Than they will want theirs med/dental/optical/Parental leave/401k
And if you don't think there's a lawyer bitting this to bits you watch and see

 

[savvyandsassier]

But here's a question
Who represents the players
All players?

I don't know, what do you mean? They would hire representatives, like any union, lawyers and professional negotiators. They call that solidarity. As opposed to being scattered, and divided, and thus more easily exploited.

And we will get to that point when the players eventually come for the real money, the TV money, which they have every bit the right to partake of, rather than the schools keeping everything. And which apparently is already in the works and the schools and their reps and strategists are presumably trying to get ahead of the game, which you would expect them to do, rather than just take it all lying down.

Mind you I'm not trying to direct these sentiments to you personally alone. Rather to all fans struggling to come to grips with the changing landscape, and to disabuse them of the notion that somehow the old order is going to be restored. It's not. So time to get real.....

 

[savvyandsassier]

There you go again.
You don't seem to get it
I don't need football it needs me and as much as it would pain me to drop football all together it is during hunting season and I will get by
My true passion in college sports is wrestling and that sport is relatively benign to this matter
So carry on
BTW there was no question it was a response

You always have that option to not watch anymore. You can vote with your dollars, but it's not a real vote. It's not like that at all. And I don't think enough of you are going to start hunting on the weekends, or taking up other hobbies, in sufficient enough number to really affect anything. And it wouldn't matter anyway, it would just mean a smaller pot of proceeds to divvy up between players and owners. And ultimately would have no bearing on anything. The fact that longtime fans might feel alienated and leave in droves would in no way empower the authorities, or whoever to somehow step in and reinstall the old system. That's just never going to happen in any scenario. And there's no overlap between fan dissatisfaction and the players' rights...

 

[deadirishpoet]

I don't know, what do you mean? They would hire representatives, like any union, lawyers and professional negotiators. They call that solidarity. As opposed to being scattered, and divided, and thus more easily exploited.

And we will get to that point when the players eventually come for the real money, the TV money, which they have every bit the right to partake of, rather than the schools keeping everything. And which apparently is already in the works and the schools and their reps and strategists are presumably trying to get ahead of the game, which you would expect them to do, rather than just take it all lying down.

Mind you I'm not trying to direct these sentiments to you personally alone. Rather to all fans struggling to come to grips with the changing landscape, and to disabuse them of the notion that somehow the old order is going to be restored. It's not. So time to get real.....

You have some fair points but this will totally change the game I love (thank God high-school isn't wreck yet) to something I won't
I don't watch NFL for a reason and even though I'm a Jaguars season ticket holder I sale the ticket weekly
So this could come down to shutting a season down because their representative will plow through everything in front of them because they think they hold all the cards than we'll see where the fanbase is.

 

[deadirishpoet]

I don't know, what do you mean? They would hire representatives, like any union, lawyers and professional negotiators. They call that solidarity. As opposed to being scattered, and divided, and thus more easily exploited.

And we will get to that point when the players eventually come for the real money, the TV money, which they have every bit the right to partake of, rather than the schools keeping everything. And which apparently is already in the works and the schools and their reps and strategists are presumably trying to get ahead of the game, which you would expect them to do, rather than just take it all lying down.

Mind you I'm not trying to direct these sentiments to you personally alone. Rather to all fans struggling to come to grips with the changing landscape, and to disabuse them of the notion that somehow the old order is going to be restored. It's not. So time to get real.....

So you believe the players should form a union, or did i miss read that?

 

[savvyandsassier]

So you believe the players should form a union, or did i miss read that?

I don't know, but I'm assuming they will. If they have the opportunity. But management, in this case, will presumably attempt to head them off at the pass. And beat them to the punch; But these guys are superstar athletes, they're not grungy employees in an Amazon warehouse. So if they want a union they're gong to get one....

 

[deadirishpoet]

I don't know, but I'm assuming they will. If they have the opportunity. But management, in this case, will presumably attempt to head them off at the pass. And beat them to the punch; But these guys are superstar athletes, they're not grungy employees in an Amazon warehouse. So if they want a union they're gong to get one....

I've asked the question 4 time and no one has even come close to answer it, but you and seem to not understand either why , or the question in general, so I'll ask again what is the percentage of these athletes will go pro, and be picked in the first three rounds. Are they allowed to speak with agents prior to opting out now?
That is an important question considering these are the cats that are creation the having.
Another question that has gone unanswered is are there anyone on the playoff teams opting out, and if not why?
Surely there's some NFL caliber players there.
Is an injury worth losing millions for a ring especially since you'll have to go through 2 teams, and next year even more

 

[NDinNJ]

I've asked the question 4 time and no one has even come close to answer it, but you and seem to not understand either why , or the question in general, so I'll ask again what is the percentage of these athletes will go pro, and be picked in the first three rounds. Are they allowed to speak with agents prior to opting out now?
That is an important question considering these are the cats that are creation the having.
Another question that has gone unanswered is are there anyone on the playoff teams opting out, and if not why?
Surely there's some NFL caliber players there.
Is an injury worth losing millions for a ring especially since you'll have to go through 2 teams, and next year even more

If you want to see everyone that is opting out, there are plenty of trackers online using a simple google search. Here is one can track by bowl including CFP games. In checking, only 2 players are opting out of CFP and both are due to transfer portal.

College Football Bowl Game Opt-Out Tracker

Here are the latest player opt-outs and live odds for the 2022-23 bowl season.

www.covers.com

 

[NDinNJ]

I've asked the question 4 time and no one has even come close to answer it, but you and seem to not understand either why , or the question in general, so I'll ask again what is the percentage of these athletes will go pro, and be picked in the first three rounds. Are they allowed to speak with agents prior to opting out now?
That is an important question considering these are the cats that are creation the having.
Another question that has gone unanswered is are there anyone on the playoff teams opting out, and if not why?
Surely there's some NFL caliber players there.
Is an injury worth losing millions for a ring especially since you'll have to go through 2 teams, and next year even more

here's another:

College football bowl games 2023: Opt-outs, transfer portal, and coaching changes

A tracker for college football opt-outs, transfer portal updates, and coaching changes for the 2023 bowl season.

www.vsin.com

 

[tbonesays]

A union contract trumps anti-trust concerns. That is why pro players cannot sue the league for being anti-competitive. If the usual suspects start talking up that the players "need" a union that is because they want the schools back in charge.

 

[deadirishpoet]

A union contract trumps anti-trust concerns. That is why pro players cannot sue the league for being anti-competitive. If the usual suspects start talking up that the players "need" a union that is because they want the schools back in charge.

This is true.
My mother and father were very active in their union so i understand alot of the in's and, out's

 

[deadirishpoet]

A union contract trumps anti-trust concerns. That is why pro players cannot sue the league for being anti-competitive. If the usual suspects start talking up that the players "need" a union that is because they want the schools back in charge.

I think there have been law firm itching for something since the Supreme Court ruling