To Jesse Bongiovi

[shabak]

Walking out on VP Pence during commencement showed a lack of maturity and respect. How could these ND students feel marginalized when they attend one of the greatest universities in the United States of America. They deserved to be booed. No wonder why things can't get done when people refuse to listen to the unpopular opinions of others as they perceive them to be. Next time a liberal talks I'll walk out in protest. Nah... I'd rather listen to their bullshit to confirm what I've always thought about liberals.

 

[nemeth#5]

I am a hardcore conservative and have been all my life. Pence is one of my favorite politicians and I have no problem with anyone walking out.

Seems like everyone loves all the freedoms and rights we have in this country until someone uses them to protest against something they believe in.

 

[NDEwing18]

Walking out on VP Pence during commencement showed a lack of maturity and respect. How could these ND students feel marginalized when they attend one of the greatest universities in the United States of America. They deserved to be booed. No wonder why things can't get done when people refuse to listen to the unpopular opinions of others as they perceive them to be. Next time a liberal talks I'll walk out in protest. Nah... I'd rather listen to their bullshit to confirm what I've always thought about liberals.

If you read his statement, you would know that the students themselves did not say they feel marginalized, but they walked out on behalf of those that they feel the Trump Administration is marginalizing. Very different thing.

 

[twalsh]

Walking out on VP Pence during commencement showed a lack of maturity and respect. How could these ND students feel marginalized when they attend one of the greatest universities in the United States of America. They deserved to be booed. No wonder why things can't get done when people refuse to listen to the unpopular opinions of others as they perceive them to be. Next time a liberal talks I'll walk out in protest. Nah... I'd rather listen to their bullshit to confirm what I've always thought about liberals.

I have a hard time believing that Jesse Bongiovi or any other ND students feel "marginalized". I think you misinterpreted something.

 

[OneillIrish]

I am a hardcore conservative and have been all my life. Pence is one of my favorite politicians and I have no problem with anyone walking out.

Seems like everyone loves all the freedoms and rights we have in this country until someone uses them to protest against something they believe in.

There is a difference between supporting freedoms and approving of how everyone uses them.

When people use the freedoms they've been given poorly, it is fine to say "I support their legal (1st Amendment) right to do that....but they're still idiots for choosing to do it, and I'm ashamed to be associated with them because of it"

In fact, that's probably the best thing to say about them.

That way you maintain key rights/priorities, while still maintaining sanity

 

[SALittleGiant513]

Walking out on VP Pence during commencement showed a lack of maturity and respect. How could these ND students feel marginalized when they attend one of the greatest universities in the United States of America. They deserved to be booed. No wonder why things can't get done when people refuse to listen to the unpopular opinions of others as they perceive them to be. Next time a liberal talks I'll walk out in protest. Nah... I'd rather listen to their bullshit to confirm what I've always thought about liberals.

Lol... cool man please try to be more butt hurt on the internet about what a college kid did.

 

[IrishInOntario]

There is a difference between supporting freedoms and approving of how everyone uses them.

When people use the freedoms they've been given poorly, it is fine to say "I support their legal (1st Amendment) right to do that....but they're still idiots for choosing to do it, and I'm ashamed to be associated with them because of it"

In fact, that's probably the best thing to say about them.

That way you maintain key rights/priorities, while still maintaining sanity

Exactly. You can vehemently disagree with someone while still truly appreciating the freedoms that you share equally.

The way I see it is this. Jesse participated for 4 years as a member of the Notre Dame football team. During those 4 years he bled and sweat with his teammates, through thick and thin. He stayed out of trouble from what we know, upheld his end of the bargain as a student / athlete, his dad paid his absurd tuition (not that it would be an issue for him) and he graduated on time with his teammates.

He did nothing to disrespect Notre Dame. He didn't spray paint Touchdown Jesus or speak up against the Christian Faith. He simply decided to vacate the premise when an INVITED SPEAKER, a non member of the Notre Dame community spoke at Commencement... Mountain out of a molehill.

Two years ago we were invited out to Colorado to do some joint training with your Air Force PJ'S. American and Canadian medics and Corpsmen teach a lot of different medical principles to each other as we have differing approaches, both of which are extremely proven and affective. On day 3 of this training exercise a bit of bickering started between personnel from both sides over the best methods for maintaining circulation in a given scenario. Statistics showed that the method we teach is the best way to go, but a former marine corpsman who had seen multiple combat tours in Afghanistan and had successfully implemented the technique he was taught, with success, on the battlefield, wanted no part of hearing our argument for his method. He literally walked off during the argument and only came back when commanded to do so by his CO... Was that disrespectful? Maybe. But could you blame him given his experience. I couldn't. The rest of those PJ'S stayed and listened intently, despite their clear objection to the technique. Just like 99% of the graduating students stayed to listen to Pence, many of whom may not agree with what the current administration has to say...

So my question to you is this. Would you slander a current PJ and former marine, who has represented your country with great honor, simply because he disagreed with somebody else and chose to walk away?.. I would certainly hope not.

And if you wouldn't, then why would you slander a kid who has been an excellent representative of Notre dame during his time in South Bend, just because he disagreed with what a politician had to say?

Speaking of betrayal... You'd take the side of a filthy (I use that word in jest) University of Indiana grad in Pence, over one of your own, a proud Notre Dame grad in Bongiovi??... Ewwwww. I think Ohio State or Michigan are looking to expand their fan base, maybe you should look into it

 

[IrishHerb]

Exactly. You can vehemently disagree with someone while still truly appreciating the freedoms that you share equally.

The way I see it is this. Jesse participated for 4 years as a member of the Notre Dame football team. During those 4 years he bled and sweat with his teammates, through thick and thin. He stayed out of trouble from what we know, upheld his end of the bargain as a student / athlete, his dad paid his absurd tuition (not that it would be an issue for him) and he graduated on time with his teammates.

He did nothing to disrespect Notre Dame. He didn't spray paint Touchdown Jesus or speak up against the Christian Faith. He simply decided to vacate the premise when an INVITED SPEAKER, a non member of the Notre Dame community spoke at Commencement... Mountain out of a molehill.

Two years ago we were invited out to Colorado to do some joint training with your Air Force PJ'S. American and Canadian medics and Corpsmen teach a lot of different medical principles to each other as we have differing approaches, both of which are extremely proven and affective. On day 3 of this training exercise a bit of bickering started between personnel from both sides over the best methods for maintaining circulation in a given scenario. Statistics showed that the method we teach is the best way to go, but a former marine corpsman who had seen multiple combat tours in Afghanistan and had successfully implemented the technique he was taught, with success, on the battlefield, wanted no part of hearing our argument for his method. He literally walked off during the argument and only came back when commanded to do so by his CO... Was that disrespectful? Maybe. But could you blame him given his experience. I couldn't. The rest of those PJ'S stayed and listened intently, despite their clear objection to the technique. Just like 99% of the graduating students stayed to listen to Pence, many of whom may not agree with what the current administration has to say...

So my question to you is this. Would you slander a current PJ and former marine, who has represented your country with great honor, simply because he disagreed with somebody else and chose to walk away?.. I would certainly hope not.

And if you wouldn't, then why would you slander a kid who has been an excellent representative of Notre dame during his time in South Bend, just because he disagreed with what a politician had to say?

Speaking of betrayal... You'd take the side of a filthy (I use that word in jest) University of Indiana grad in Pence, over one of your own, a proud Notre Dame grad in Bongiovi??... Ewwwww. I think Ohio State or Michigan are looking to expand their fan base, maybe you should look into it

Very well said IIO.

 

[HuddleBurger]

Jesse knows that we've got to hold on to what we've got. It doesn't make a difference if we make it or not. We've got each other, and that's a lot. For love, we'll give it a shot.

 

[SALittleGiant513]

Jesse knows that we've got to hold on to what we've got. It doesn't make a difference if we make it or not. We've got each other, and that's a lot. For love, we'll give it a shot.

This is very good content

 

[BigFellaFan]

I applaud the students for standing up against the right wing rhetoric of Pence and most everyone in the very flawed Trump Administration.

 

[TOMMY_23]

I guess the truth hurt that little billionaires ears.

 

[TOMMY_23]

I am a hardcore conservative and have been all my life. Pence is one of my favorite politicians and I have no problem with anyone walking out.

Seems like everyone loves all the freedoms and rights we have in this country until someone uses them to protest against something they believe in.

Why show up in the first place? That'd be a true protest by staying home. Instead these little rich kids just wanted more attention.

 

[IrishHerb]

Why show up in the first place? That'd be a true protest by staying home. Instead these little rich kids just wanted more attention.

They showed up in the first place, because they wanted to participate in their commencement and listen to all the speeches up until ...

 

[captstabbin]

Walking out on VP Pence during commencement showed a lack of maturity and respect. How could these ND students feel marginalized when they attend one of the greatest universities in the United States of America. They deserved to be booed. No wonder why things can't get done when people refuse to listen to the unpopular opinions of others as they perceive them to be. Next time a liberal talks I'll walk out in protest. Nah... I'd rather listen to their bullshit to confirm what I've always thought about liberals.

Just so glad I have never put myself in a box or any other people. I really feel bad for people that see things so black and white.

 

[NDEwing18]

Why show up in the first place? That'd be a true protest by staying home. Instead these little rich kids just wanted more attention.

It's not really on us to determine how they should have conveyed their message. Walking out is a different message than staying home.

 

[Toby Smart]

I will bet a small basket of smelt heads that these students have no idea what Trump's policies are. They know "wall" and "refugees" and conveniently leave out the key word "illegal" when talking immigrants. What has Jesse or any of these students done to help improve the lives of those they march for, other than marching, protesting, walking out, and making cool clever protest signs. Has any single one of them sacrificed any thing for these people? Has any of them gave up their bed for these people? Has any of these students invite one single illegal or refugee into their home or gave them comfort in any way? What have these students done for the unwed, scared, homeless and pregnant American women? What have these students done to save one single unborn child headed to the death room? What have these privileged students done for the women working the street, some homeless, who live in despair, without hope, and who have lost faith years ago? Walking out is nothing more than a boring cliche' that takes no courage at all.

 

[NDEwing18]

I will bet a small basket of smelt heads that these students have no idea what Trump's policies are. They know "wall" and "refugees" and conveniently leave out the key word "illegal" when talking immigrants. What has Jesse or any of these students done to help improve the lives of those they march for, other than marching, protesting, walking out, and making cool clever protest signs. Has any single one of them sacrificed any thing for these people? Has any of them gave up their bed for these people? Has any of these students invite one single illegal or refugee into their home or gave them comfort in any way? What have these students done for the unwed, scared, homeless and pregnant American women? What have these students done to save one single unborn child headed to the death room? What have these privileged students done for the women working the street, some homeless, who live in despair, without hope, and who have lost faith years ago? Walking out is nothing more than a boring cliche' that takes no courage at all.

Maybe you should try to learn what they have done or what they are involved in instead of immediately assuming that they are "privileged snowflakes".

 

[Toby Smart]

My assumption is probably spot on. Let them come forward and explain exactly what it is they are doing for the people they walk out for. I would like to know. And yes, they are "privileged snowflakes" .

 

[NDEwing18]

My assumption is probably spot on. Let them come forward and explain exactly what it is they are doing for the people they walk out for. I would like to know. And yes, they are "privileged snowflakes" .

I suppose I don't like to assume the worst about people. Maybe you do. I guess it's all a way of how you choose to see the world.

 

[Toby Smart]

I see young students as they are. Not criminals or evil. I see them as social, in the moment, all in for the latest craze, type of young people who don't actually do anything of substance to help the people they march for. I listed all kinds of things and I am willing to bet that very few, if any, have actually got into the nitty gritty and sacrificed anything to help. Yes, I am calling them out. Action speak louder than walking out.

 

[echowaker]

I will bet a small basket of smelt heads that these students have no idea what Trump's policies are. They know "wall" and "refugees" and conveniently leave out the key word "illegal" when talking immigrants. What has Jesse or any of these students done to help improve the lives of those they march for, other than marching, protesting, walking out, and making cool clever protest signs. Has any single one of them sacrificed any thing for these people? Has any of them gave up their bed for these people? Has any of these students invite one single illegal or refugee into their home or gave them comfort in any way? What have these students done for the unwed, scared, homeless and pregnant American women? What have these students done to save one single unborn child headed to the death room? What have these privileged students done for the women working the street, some homeless, who live in despair, without hope, and who have lost faith years ago? Walking out is nothing more than a boring cliche' that takes no courage at all.

How could you possibly know what any of them have done when it comes to helping their fellow man ? What have you done other than bitch and moan here about young people expressing their rights ?

 

[echowaker]

My assumption is probably spot on. Let them come forward and explain exactly what it is they are doing for the people they walk out for. I would like to know. And yes, they are "privileged snowflakes" .

They certainly don t owe anyone an explanation. Why do you believe you are owed one ? You come off as an avalanche of snowflakes being so offended. Talk about soft.

 

[echowaker]

I see young students as they are. Not criminals or evil. I see them as social, in the moment, all in for the latest craze, type of young people who don't actually do anything of substance to help the people they march for. I listed all kinds of things and I am willing to bet that very few, if any, have actually got into the nitty gritty and sacrificed anything to help. Yes, I am calling them out. Action speak louder than walking out.

I have been working with young people for over 20 years. You are way off base in your assumptions in my opinion.

 

[NY AGENTMAN]

Exactly. You can vehemently disagree with someone while still truly appreciating the freedoms that you share equally.

The way I see it is this. Jesse participated for 4 years as a member of the Notre Dame football team. During those 4 years he bled and sweat with his teammates, through thick and thin. He stayed out of trouble from what we know, upheld his end of the bargain as a student / athlete, his dad paid his absurd tuition (not that it would be an issue for him) and he graduated on time with his teammates.

He did nothing to disrespect Notre Dame. He didn't spray paint Touchdown Jesus or speak up against the Christian Faith. He simply decided to vacate the premise when an INVITED SPEAKER, a non member of the Notre Dame community spoke at Commencement... Mountain out of a molehill.

Two years ago we were invited out to Colorado to do some joint training with your Air Force PJ'S. American and Canadian medics and Corpsmen teach a lot of different medical principles to each other as we have differing approaches, both of which are extremely proven and affective. On day 3 of this training exercise a bit of bickering started between personnel from both sides over the best methods for maintaining circulation in a given scenario. Statistics showed that the method we teach is the best way to go, but a former marine corpsman who had seen multiple combat tours in Afghanistan and had successfully implemented the technique he was taught, with success, on the battlefield, wanted no part of hearing our argument for his method. He literally walked off during the argument and only came back when commanded to do so by his CO... Was that disrespectful? Maybe. But could you blame him given his experience. I couldn't. The rest of those PJ'S stayed and listened intently, despite their clear objection to the technique. Just like 99% of the graduating students stayed to listen to Pence, many of whom may not agree with what the current administration has to say...

So my question to you is this. Would you slander a current PJ and former marine, who has represented your country with great honor, simply because he disagreed with somebody else and chose to walk away?.. I would certainly hope not.

And if you wouldn't, then why would you slander a kid who has been an excellent representative of Notre dame during his time in South Bend, just because he disagreed with what a politician had to say?

Speaking of betrayal... You'd take the side of a filthy (I use that word in jest) University of Indiana grad in Pence, over one of your own, a proud Notre Dame grad in Bongiovi??... Ewwwww. I think Ohio State or Michigan are looking to expand their fan base, maybe you should look into it

 

[NY AGENTMAN]

Seems like all the money in the world can't teach class and respect. Students should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[hvillebill]

Walking out on VP Pence during commencement showed a lack of maturity and respect. How could these ND students feel marginalized when they attend one of the greatest universities in the United States of America. They deserved to be booed. No wonder why things can't get done when people refuse to listen to the unpopular opinions of others as they perceive them to be. Next time a liberal talks I'll walk out in protest. Nah... I'd rather listen to their bullshit to confirm what I've always thought about liberals.

Well, at least he has a degree from ND, which is more than what most of us here have.

You mention that people like him refuse to listen to the opinions of others. Isn't that what you're doing?

 

[Walruzz]

Well, at least he has a degree from ND, which is more than what most of us here have.

You mention that people like him refuse to listen to the opinions of others. Isn't that what you're doing?

This is dead on. The resident politicos on the board are walking epitomies of the Dirty Harry syndrome - you are wrong if you disagree with me, you are the worst type of wrong, and if you happen to be right about this then you are just wrong about something else.

I earned a degree from Notre Dame and you can kiss my furry ass if you think I give one rotten damn about your opinion of my obligations at my own graduation. That's my degree capital, I will spend it as I see fit, and you'll just have to live vicariously through people who earned it by bitching about their choices.

And of course, you are free to do so.

 

[Toby Smart]

I have been working with young people for over 20 years. You are way off base in your assumptions in my opinion.

I really touched a nerve and my assumptions stand. If they are going to put themselves front and center on a national stage with this walk out and tell us it's the Trump policies, I want to know what they have done. It's not only these students, it's all of them around campuses far and wide. My direct question to any and all of them is what have they done for these people. I can pretty much guess what the answer would be. Have they put themselves in the front lines for these people? I would be interested to know. I already know.

 

[DieHard_Irish]

I will bet a small basket of smelt heads that these students have no idea what Trump's policies are. They know "wall" and "refugees" and conveniently leave out the key word "illegal" when talking immigrants. What has Jesse or any of these students done to help improve the lives of those they march for, other than marching, protesting, walking out, and making cool clever protest signs. Has any single one of them sacrificed any thing for these people? Has any of them gave up their bed for these people? Has any of these students invite one single illegal or refugee into their home or gave them comfort in any way? What have these students done for the unwed, scared, homeless and pregnant American women? What have these students done to save one single unborn child headed to the death room? What have these privileged students done for the women working the street, some homeless, who live in despair, without hope, and who have lost faith years ago? Walking out is nothing more than a boring cliche' that takes no courage at all.

The kids don't know what Trumps policies are? I question whether Trump knows what Trumps policies are!! The man is proving to be the idiot I thought he would be. At least these kids have proven their worth by graduating from our University. And they have every right to express their view in the manner they chose.

 

[Walruzz]

Cue angry fascists in 3.... 2.... 1....

 

[Walruzz]

I really touched a nerve and my assumptions stand. If they are going to put themselves front and center on a national stage with this walk out and tell us it's the Trump policies, I want to know what they have done. It's not only these students, it's all of them around campuses far and wide. My direct question to any and all of them is what have they done for these people. I can pretty much guess what the answer would be. Have they put themselves in the front lines for these people? I would be interested to know. I already know.

"These people?"

How do you know none of these kids are already on the front line because of citizenship or race or sexual orientation? Just because they are at University it doesn't mean they are rich, white, straight and entitled.

 

[echowaker]

I really touched a nerve and my assumptions stand. If they are going to put themselves front and center on a national stage with this walk out and tell us it's the Trump policies, I want to know what they have done. It's not only these students, it's all of them around campuses far and wide. My direct question to any and all of them is what have they done for these people. I can pretty much guess what the answer would be. Have they put themselves in the front lines for these people? I would be interested to know. I already know.

They owe you nothing.get over yourself.

 

[Toby Smart]

No. They owe me nothing. If you are going to talk the talk you need to show that you can walk the walk. They were the ones basking in national headlines for their cause, so, I want to know what they are actually doing for their cause. Simple question. Nothing to be afraid of. Nothing to get defensive over. You want to bring wanted attention to yourself, then the public should know who these students are and what they are doing for the cause. I understand you are sympathetic to whatever they were protesting, but even you must want to know if this walk out protest is nothing but fluff.

 

[NDEwing18]

No. They owe me nothing. If you are going to talk the talk you need to show that you can walk the walk. They were the ones basking in national headlines for their cause, so, I want to know what they are actually doing for their cause. Simple question. Nothing to be afraid of. Nothing to get defensive over. You want to bring wanted attention to yourself, then the public should know who these students are and what they are doing for the cause. I understand you are sympathetic to whatever they were protesting, but even you must want to know if this walk out protest is nothing but fluff.

The public doesn't need to know anything about those students. And as someone said earlier, they don't owe you or anyone else a damn thing. The only one that seems entitled here is you.

 

[shabak]

Lol... cool man please try to be more butt hurt on the internet about what a college kid did.

So now the excuse is they are college kids... 20 year old kids in the US military place their lives on the line to protect the very freedom that allows them to walk out.

 

[shabak]

The public doesn't need to know anything about those students. And as someone said earlier, they don't owe you or anyone else a damn thing. The only one that seems entitled here is you.

Not really. I claim zero entitlements. I earned everything I worked for. It is about RESPECT.

 

[Walruzz]

Not really. I claim zero entitlements. I earned everything I worked for. It is about RESPECT.

You haven't earned much here.

 

[Toby Smart]

The public doesn't need to know anything about those students. And as someone said earlier, they don't owe you or anyone else a damn thing. The only one that seems entitled here is you.

As brilliantly stated earlier, if you want the pub and willingly put yourself out there, then yes, you can and should be scrutinized. They should have some splaining to do.Either they are grown adults willing to face the scrutiny or they are still fragile children. Which is it? For all we know, they might be living examples of Mother Teresa and would be proud to talk about it. Let's find out.

 

[francade]

"The public doesn't need to know anything about these students", as these students make a public statement?

Lol.

Ftr, I support their right to walk out as much as I support people's rights to bash or glorify them for doing so. But the fact that they're indeed making a public statement opens all of them up for explaining themselves. If they don't want to or can't, that's fine, but it'd be nice to know that they actually know what they're protesting.

Could it be that some of these students are still reeling from nurse ratched losing or do they really feel unsafe around pence and his words?

Half of them are probably doing it cuz they got their crayons stolen from them in their safe spaces.