Tiller is a thug... he''s got to go

[onlyonenow]

It is really hard to believe your are defending these actions.

He is a punk. Should be tossed from the team as a lesson.

However that has to wait until the next coach who will then clean house of these so called RKG's.

Kelly clearly was willing to recruit those that had potential for such as this.

One more reason he has to go.

Not like we don't have enough already,


For a while I was hesitant about calling for Kelly to go (which ended early this season) for the simple reason finding someone better was going to be very hard indeed.

Now I want him gone and will take a chance on whoever we end up with.

ND's problem is that there are only a limited number of potentials that can hack the unique difficulties of Notre Dame.

While of course recruiting is the toughest of virtually any university who aspires to the NC, it is also the pressure of Notre Dame, the expectations, and the sheer unrelenting grind.

We need someone who really wants the challenge of bringing another NC to South Bend. Been thirty years since we got Lou. Time for another. We need to look at someone this time who has coached at the top level; no more Louisvile etc types. Lou had coached Arkansas; Ara had coached Northwestern back before they becam a laughing stock and the Big Ten was considered the top conference. I do not include Devine because he happened to fall into Ara's recruits mostly. He was unable to match that.

So bluntly speaking we need to look at the PAC12, or the SEC for our next coach. Or even the Big Ten. We need someone used to going up against the big dogs.

 

[Telx1]

Glad to see Kelly get in Tillery's face big time, but thought he should have kicked him off the field and sidelines at that point. I want more toughness and attitude like most here, but stepping on a guys ankle when down and nudging a guys head when he is laid out does not qualify as either. These were cowardly acts by one of our biggest players who plays small and soft. We don't have to look beyond Nico for an example of the kind of attitude and toughness we should want from our players.

 

[Bodizephax]

Have to say I was surprised by that. Not typical for ND.

I apologize as an Irish fan for Tillerys abhorrant behavior. You never mess with someones head when they are lying motionless on the ground. I am glad that player is OK.

 

[Bodizephax]

Do you know what a kick is? The first one was harmless and you clearly have never been on the bottom of a pile. We got shots to ribs/kidneys/groins.. All part of the game.. As was Fertitta's hit. Over reaction by America, it has gone incredibly soft.

I thought Ferttitas hit was ok. Tillerys behavior was classless and inexcusable. Even his own guy Dishone Kizer got mad at Tillery and pushed him away.

 

[Gimmea10wincoach]

Think some posters are exaggerating the KICK it was a nudge a kick is as follows:

1. 1.
   a blow or forceful thrust with the foot.
   "a kick in the head"
   synonyms: boot, punt
   "that kick landed the ball across the street"
2. 2.
   a sudden forceful jolt.
   "the shuttle accelerated with a kick" it was clearly not was it unacceptable? Absolutely ! Worthy of kicking off the team? Gtfoh! I wont sit here and defend his actions. I do however see the irony in someone of Kelly's integrity telling Tillery to do things the right way etc... Would be hard for me as a player knowing he has'nt shouldered much of the burden in my estimation as to the 4-8 season and his role in it!

 

[MARTY SC PSYC]

Think some posters are exaggerating the KICK it was a nudge a kick is as follows:

1. 1.
   a blow or forceful thrust with the foot.
   "a kick in the head"
   synonyms: boot, punt
   "that kick landed the ball across the street"
2. 2.
   a sudden forceful jolt.
   "the shuttle accelerated with a kick" it was clearly not was it unacceptable? Absolutely ! Worthy of kicking off the team? Gtfoh! I wont sit here and defend his actions. I do however see the irony in someone of Kelly's integrity telling Tillery to do things the right way etc... Would be hard for me as a player knowing he has'nt shouldered much of the burden in my estimation as to the 4-8 season and his role in it!

The problem is with the SC player, AcaCedric Ware lying on the ground possibly unconscious a foot to the head doesn't have to be a "kick" as described above to cause additional irreversible damage.

 

[beachcardinal]

The verb is not important. The action was deplorable. But we Trojan can't get on the high horse. We all remember Ruffin's groin step.

 

[Gimmea10wincoach]

Since we are being serious. Then please be literal when you expect us to understand the severity of additional movement. I simply stated by people saying "kick" the mere word in written text comes across much worse. Is that not fair to say?

 

[Gimmea10wincoach]

And yes beach you are correct i never defended him. Simply would like people to correct the verbage. As one poster stated he had to go back and watch, because he thought it was much worse. The act was terrible. But the word kick these days having not seen it, in todays cfb implies something pretty nasty from things i'm sure we have all witnessed.

 

[deadirishpoet]

Tillery is a thug. Worst sportsmanship I've ever seen. Kicking the injured player''s head was bad enough. Then stepping on the ankle of the downed player was bizarre.

I think Fertita was robbed, but this guy makes us look bad. Ridiculous.

I have yet to watch the game.....Christmas shopping with no heart to watch, but from what I've read this is an action not welcome.

 

[beachcardinal]

I have yet to watch the game.....Christmas shopping with no heart to watch, but from what I've read this is aa action not welcome.

Actually the step on the ankle later was just as bad. But one thing I noticed, when the Irish players and trainer saw the foot to the head they immediately grabbed and criticized Tillery. That speaks well for the Irish and was noticed by SC fans.

 

[MARTY SC PSYC]

Actually the step on the ankle later was just as bad. But one thing I noticed, when the Irish players and trainer saw the foot to the head they immediately grabbed and criticized Tillery. That speaks well for the Irish and was noticed by SC fans.

I also saw Kelly red in the face chewing out the player on the sidelines and then apparently #99 walked away and was again confronted by the coach at the bench.....I give the coach credit for that as that behavior is unacceptable no matter what the circumstances.

 

[shabak]

Harmless kick to the head?....I suppose you may be the one who's been kicked too many times in the head to know how damaging that act can be to a guy with a likely concussion if not worse...as a matter of fact, the player for SC has gone to the hospital for an MRI as we speak.

And the results are????

 

[hoopsstar12]

Speaking of thugs, how is OJ doing these days?

 

[MARTY SC PSYC]

Speaking of thugs, how is OJ doing these days?

O.J. was never a thug....too many white friends....but he is a murderer.

 

[irishluvr23]

Maybe he's tired of getting embarrassed by opponents that lack the ability to beat the Irish head to head. Maybe he's sick of the putrid play every Saturday. Maybe he wants to win. You guys are such ridiculous fans he wants to win and dominate opponents. He didn't do anything wrong he just lost control of his emotions in a big game. I hope he's kept around and shown the right way to beat down an opponent. I have zero issues with him. Irish fans are soft as your moms skin. Finally a player who showed some fight.
I'm

 

[WoadBlue]

He is a punk. Should be tossed from the team as a lesson.

However that has to wait until the next coach who will then clean house of these so called RKG's.

Kelly clearly was willing to recruit those that had potential for such as this.

One more reason he has to go.

Not like we don't have enough already,


For a while I was hesitant about calling for Kelly to go (which ended early this season) for the simple reason finding someone better was going to be very hard indeed.

Now I want him gone and will take a chance on whoever we end up with.

ND's problem is that there are only a limited number of potentials that can hack the unique difficulties of Notre Dame.

While of course recruiting is the toughest of virtually any university who aspires to the NC, it is also the pressure of Notre Dame, the expectations, and the sheer unrelenting grind.

We need someone who really wants the challenge of bringing another NC to South Bend. Been thirty years since we got Lou. Time for another. We need to look at someone this time who has coached at the top level; no more Louisvile etc types. Lou had coached Arkansas; Ara had coached Northwestern back before they becam a laughing stock and the Big Ten was considered the top conference. I do not include Devine because he happened to fall into Ara's recruits mostly. He was unable to match that.

So bluntly speaking we need to look at the PAC12, or the SEC for our next coach. Or even the Big Ten. We need someone used to going up against the big dogs.

Not necessarily. Before Stanford, Jim Harbaugh had no HC experience above non-scholarship 1-AA San Diego. And that for only 3 years. Harbaugh then would have been a walk off Grand Slam home run hire for ND, as it was for Stanford.

It could be that WMU's Fleck is the best hire ND could make.

But there are HCs at P5 schools who need to move on and could be excellent at ND. One is Mark Dantonio. Yes, Sparty slipped big this year, but what Dantonio has accomplished there is amazing. Mich St is a clearly distant #2 program in a mid-sized state. All such schools have a celling that cannot be broken when the #1 program has a truly top HC - ala Harbaugh.

Another example is Mike Gundy of Ok St. OU is like Michigan in terms of historic football hierarchy, and Ok St is below Mich St. Yet look at what Gundy's teams have accomplished.

Over the past 30 years, Miss St football has become the full equal of Ole Miss, but as MS is a small state with 2 SEC teams, and the SEC West also has Bama, Auburn, LSU, Texas A&M, and Arkansas, Dan Mullen almost certainly has no chance to take Miss St up another notch. But at a program with fewer handicaps, he could produce in a very big way.

 

[canefan61]

I agree. We need more badass is on the team who can survive academically. I don't condone what he did, I could understand that he did it out of frustration. We don't need gentleman playing football. We need controlled killers.

Wow shabak, you are sounding more and more like the Canes of the 80's.

 

[MARTY SC PSYC]

Maybe he's tired of getting embarrassed by opponents that lack the ability to beat the Irish head to head. Maybe he's sick of the putrid play every Saturday. Maybe he wants to win. You guys are such ridiculous fans he wants to win and dominate opponents. He didn't do anything wrong he just lost control of his emotions in a big game. I hope he's kept around and shown the right way to beat down an opponent. I have zero issues with him. Irish fans are soft as your moms skin. Finally a player who showed some fight.
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Have you lost your mind?....the acts this pathetically soft player committed were done in a methodical conscious manner and had nothing to do with "a lost control of his emotions"....you are being ridiculous....absolutely no excuse for this egregious behavior.

 

[aoi_toku]

A thug is a guy who gets behind the wheel drunk and puts others lives at risk....

Like Michael Floyd?

 

[Extirpate 6951]

Like Michael Floyd?

No more like Jim Minick or Gary Moeller!

 

[aoi_toku]

No more like Jim Minick or Gary Moeller!

And Michael Floyd.

 

[Extirpate 6951]

And Michael Floyd.

No Minick and Moeller!

 

[irishalice]

Like Michael Floyd?

The current head coach of Michigan was arrested for a DUI back in 2005.

In 1988 he was arrested on disorderly conduct charge in Chicago.

In 1997 he broke his hand punching Jim Kelly.

Glass houses, Spike, glass houses..........


and yes, Mike Floyd has had a DUI too.

(thought I'd save you a response)

 

[StCecelia40]

He's with Her. Jerry showing his frustration with the election results. Expected a lot more out of him by this point. If an SC player did that to one of our guys everyone here would be pissed off. Now Jerry has plenty of time to concentrate on his nursing career and the three state recount.
That was some weak assed shit Terry Jillery.

 

[irish4life888]

Not if you are playing chess but if you are playing football you need a lot of them. Sure Tillary crossed the line but hell he cares and he's not going to back down from our biggest rivals.

ND needs to realize you can't play this game with alter boys.

It seems to me that USC kicked our arse but didn't have to result to poor sportsmanship. That was a cheap play and low class. That reeks of sore loser, and that goes for anyone who supports that low class act. We don't need those kind of players, or fans that support that crap.

 

[irish4life888]

No Minick and Moeller!

I would quit while you're behind.

 

[Extirpate 6951]

I would quit while you're behind.

You should quit pretending to be an Irish fan.

 

[irish4life888]

You should quit pretending to be an Irish fan.

LOL, talk about clueless. I've probably been going to games since before you were alive. I grew up a 1/2 mile form the stadium. I've been to well over 150 home games, sat in the cold rain during watching Faust lose to Air Force, rushed the field in 88 in the Miami win, been to all but one home game this year. How many games have you been to sparky? Maybe you should find some thug team you can root for. That's not they way we play here at ND.

 

[Extirpate 6951]

LOL, talk about clueless. I've probably been going to games since before you were alive. I grew up a 1/2 mile form the stadium. I've been to well over 150 home games, sat in the cold rain during watching Faust lose to Air Force, rushed the field in 88 in the Miami win, been to all but one home game this year. How many games have you been to sparky? Maybe you should find some thug team you can root for. That's not they way we play here at ND.

Yawn !

 

[Rockne's Rambler]

I like Tillery but Saturday his lack of sportsmanship was embarrassing.

 

[MARTY SC PSYC]

It seems to me that USC kicked our arse but didn't have to result to poor sportsmanship. That was a cheap play and low class. That reeks of sore loser, and that goes for anyone who supports that low class act. We don't need those kind of players, or fans that support that crap.

Well said and SC fans have always respected Notre Dame's tradition and overall clean but physical football.

 

[tkirish]

Glad to see Tillery take full responsibility and apologized. I'm sure he feels bad about losing his composure. It happens, no excuses. I've played all kinds of sports growing up and lost my composure a few times. Apologizing and taking ownership is a sign of a true man. The SC players accepted his apology. Nothing more needs to be said, time to move on.

 

[irishluvr23]

Have you lost your mind?....the acts this pathetically soft player committed were done in a methodical conscious manner and had nothing to do with "a lost control of his emotions"....you are being ridiculous....absolutely no excuse for this egregious behavior.

Stop being a sissy.

 

[aoi_toku]

The current head coach of Michigan was arrested for a DUI back in 2005.

In 1988 he was arrested on disorderly conduct charge in Chicago.

In 1997 he broke his hand punching Jim Kelly.

Glass houses, Spike, glass houses..........


and yes, Mike Floyd has had a DUI too.

(thought I'd save you a response)

Harbaugh's altercations happened after he left the program. Should we start bringing up every wrong doing of players after they leave the program? I'm sure we both could come up with long lists.

In that case: Prince Shembo - killing a pet in a fit of pique supercedes punching a coach. I win.

 

[irishalice]

Harbaugh's altercations happened after he left the program. Should we start bringing up every wrong doing of players after they leave the program? I'm sure we both could come up with long lists.

In that case: Prince Shembo - killing a pet in a fit of pique supersedes punching a coach. I win.

Of course, you think you win, you're pretty much the typical Wolvie poster.

Spike, why even start such crap with the Floyd comment? A rival poster making similar remarks on the Michigan board would be skewed and roasted (and you'd join in).

Think Harbaugh's brushes with the law supersede his punching Jim Kelly.

Jim Kelly was a former pro-QB commentator at the time not a coach.

 

[shabak]

Wow shabak, you are sounding more and more like the Canes of the 80's.

Thanks for the compliment. I attended the U in the 70s. You can be tough and have character. I'm not saying we can be tough and have thugs.